Current Events > Supporting LGBTQ+ people does not make you a goddamn leftist

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hockeybub89
03/18/22 5:17:23 PM
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Stop making this a fucking political debate. Polticians and the media are destroying the world and driving us backwards by validating opposition to human rights as a legitimate political stance. We're so scared of hurting feelings that we're physically hurting vulnerable demographics.

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gunplagirl
03/18/22 5:19:27 PM
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LGBT lives are highly politicized so it'll remain politically divisive so long as the right keeps on trying to ban or kill us through legislation.

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HylianFox
03/18/22 5:19:55 PM
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I'm gay and I say sure it does, what's wrong with that?

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averagejoel
03/18/22 5:25:29 PM
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it depends how broadly you define "support"

if by "support" you mean that someone is willing to say something like "I support gay rights" then you're correct.

here's the thing though: right-wing policies harm poor people. queer people are much more likely than the general population to be poor. supporting actual policies that would provide actual support for queer people is incompatible with right-of-center views

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Robot2600
03/18/22 5:26:07 PM
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i'm bi & i say it makes u a communist to draw rainbows

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Robot2600
03/18/22 5:29:31 PM
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get left or get fucked.

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Lordgold666
03/18/22 5:31:40 PM
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Agreed

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Trumble
03/18/22 5:31:48 PM
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It's kinda weird to me because here, only the far right is really anti-LGBT. Our moderate-right political party are the ones who were in power when gay marriage was legalized here, even. The homophobes here are more like... a bunch of outlier extremists, not half the fucking political spectrum.

'murica, huh.

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Robot2600
03/18/22 5:34:31 PM
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Trumble posted...
It's kinda weird to me because here, only the far right is really anti-LGBT. Our moderate-right political party are the ones who were in power when gay marriage was legalized here, even. The homophobes are more like... a bunch of outlier extremists, not half the fucking political spectrum.

'murica, huh.

not true. it's pretty obvious they are just less vocal about it but don't really think LGBTQ+ ppl should be "out" or given human rights like housing protection, job protection, etc.

we fucking see how they LITERALLY all act on facebook, or wherever. We know who the 70 million ppl who supported Trump are, cause they don't exactly hide it.

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Hop103
03/18/22 5:39:17 PM
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Robot2600 posted...


not true. it's pretty obvious they are just less vocal about it but don't really think LGBTQ+ ppl should be "out" or given human rights like housing protection, job protection, etc.

we fucking see how they LITERALLY all act on facebook, or wherever. We know who the 70 million ppl who supported Trump are, cause they don't exactly hide it.


Social media is a cesspool and only reflects a small percentage of Democrat and Republican voters, take a break from it, as social media can warp and destroy your mind in large doses.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/18/22 5:39:50 PM
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Counterpoint: supporting lgbtq rights is leftist, and it's good, and everybody should be leftist and support lgbtq rights.

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Robot2600
03/18/22 5:41:01 PM
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i literally dont post on any social media, but i see screenshots on gamefaqs and ive seen it before.

i see how my family, and co-workers, act when they just assume im on their side politically.

republicans or "conservatives" or whatever: you literally arent fooling anyone except, maybe, yourself

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x_ligma_balls_x
03/18/22 5:42:26 PM
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major reddit moment here
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MedeaLysistrata
03/18/22 5:43:55 PM
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Ehuehue

Leftism consists of political positions where profit is not the primary motivation, and instead social conditions are considered. Material conditions still need a reason to exist, and that reason is either univocal or mereological.

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WorsCaseOntario
03/18/22 5:45:37 PM
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interestingly neither the far right or far left historically have a good track record with gay rights

Homosexuality was outlawed in the USSR for example

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Imit8m3
03/18/22 5:48:28 PM
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It does make you a libertarian. As opposed to authoritarian. There's more than just left and right.
Both Republicans and Democrats are authoritarian. They wish to control others personal lives with gun control and various religious laws.
The green party and libertarian party are on the opposite side, and wish to let people do as they wish, so long as they do not harm others by doing so.

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googs19
03/18/22 5:52:23 PM
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It would be great if it wasn't political. But as long as one party is pushing legislation against LGBT people it is.
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Slayer_22
03/18/22 5:55:41 PM
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I mean, I'm not a leftist and am more disassociated with political parties in general, so I guess that's one person proving that you don't gotta be leftist to support LGBT. But at the same time, I'm more left leaning, I guess, so...ehhh...?

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Derwood
03/18/22 5:59:22 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
interestingly neither the far right or far left historically have a good track record with gay rights

Homosexuality was outlawed in the USSR for example

Imagine thinking the USSR was far left
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HylianFox
03/18/22 6:03:10 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
interestingly neither the far right or far left historically have a good track record with gay rights

Homosexuality was outlawed in the USSR for example

The USSR was indistinguishable from any other fascist dictatorship

Imit8m3 posted...
It does make you a libertarian. As opposed to authoritarian. There's more than just left and right.

Libertarians really aren't any better than Authoritarians, see above

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Jiek_Fafn
03/18/22 6:05:15 PM
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I hate abortions with the fireyness of holy water on my skin. Gays have very few abortions. I therefore love gays. They're fighting the good fight against abortions. Thank you, bros!

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Imit8m3
03/18/22 6:10:42 PM
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HylianFox posted...
The USSR was indistinguishable from any other fascist dictatorship

Libertarians really aren't any better than Authoritarians, see above

You are misinformed about libertarians. They're not fascist, quite the opposite.
Libertarians believe that LGBTQ people should be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns.
Fascists outlaw; LGBTQ people, marijuana and guns.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/18/22 6:39:50 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
interestingly neither the far right or far left historically have a good track record with gay rights

Homosexuality was outlawed in the USSR for example
While this is true, it's also true in liberal democracies. What's also true is that, ideologically speaking, the left is more lgbtq-friendly than the right or liberalism.

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Gwynevere
03/18/22 6:51:34 PM
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Hop103 posted...
Social media is a cesspool and only reflects a small percentage of Democrat and Republican voters
297 million US users is a small percentage of Democrat and Republican voters?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-facebook-users/

Plus the idea that people's social media presence isn't representative of their actual beliefs is just a lazy copout. I've lived in the bible belt my entire life, and worked in factories/retail for the last decade (so, working with the public). I can promise you rampant bigotry doesn't just exist on the internet

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AloneIBreak
03/18/22 6:58:50 PM
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I mean, being an American progressive doesnt make you a leftist either, but that doesnt stop anyone from demanding the label.

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ImSadTails
03/19/22 10:23:37 PM
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What would you say your views are, TC?

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DarthAragorn
03/19/22 10:24:55 PM
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It sorta does but only because being against them makes you a rightie which makes you a terrible person

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MarvAlbert
03/19/22 10:24:58 PM
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ImSadTails posted...
What would you say your views are, TC?

He is literally just an angry troll that yells at anyone who disagrees with him, regardless if they are right.

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Questionmarktarius
03/19/22 10:27:08 PM
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The Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman parts of the the republican party don't care. It's the Jerry Falwell branch that pitches a fit.
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ZMythos
03/19/22 10:31:41 PM
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Pretty sure Randian objectivists are okay with discrimination as long as it's done by "the private sector" and not the big bad government.

In fact, I'm also pretty sure that they oppose anti-discrimination laws since it's regulation and that's bad to them.

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Questionmarktarius
03/19/22 10:32:52 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Pretty sure Randian objectivists are okay with discrimination as long as it's done by "the private sector" and not the big bad government.
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IMNOTRAGED
03/19/22 10:40:27 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Counterpoint: supporting lgbtq rights is leftist, and it's good, and everybody should be leftist and support lgbtq rights.


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DarkChozoGhost
03/19/22 10:43:23 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
You are misinformed about libertarians.
I once posted a direct summary of Jo Jorganson's platform, what she was specifically campaigning on, and this user responded by telling me that those weren't libertarian values, but republican values. It was literally taken from her website, so I tagged him so I'd remember if he ever started peddling this shit again. And he tells others that they're misinformed about libertarians. Lol

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ZMythos
03/19/22 10:44:48 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
You're not wrong, but you're not right either.
I'm right in the sense that there are people out there who will use Randian objectivism to justify their discrimination, and that enough of those people exist in positions of power to make it a very real threat to marginalized groups.

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Questionmarktarius
03/19/22 10:44:49 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
libertarian values
Here's all you need to know.
https://www.zompist.com/libertos.html
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hockeybub89
03/19/22 11:22:07 PM
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My real point is that politicizing trans people is stupid. I am absolutely a leftist, but it's so sad that empathy becomes a politically divisive issue.

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ultimate reaver
03/19/22 11:25:36 PM
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it is less people on here that need to be told that and more the democrat party

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TheGoldenEel
03/19/22 11:26:31 PM
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Trumble posted...
It's kinda weird to me because here, only the far right is really anti-LGBT. Our moderate-right political party are the ones who were in power when gay marriage was legalized here, even. The homophobes here are more like... a bunch of outlier extremists, not half the fucking political spectrum.

'murica, huh.
The far right politicians are the people the so-called moderate republicans are electing into office right now

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Questionmarktarius
03/19/22 11:27:18 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
My real point is that politicizing trans people is stupid.
You do you.
So long as it doesn't increase my taxes, I'm never going to care.
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hockeybub89
03/19/22 11:28:10 PM
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MarvAlbert posted...
He is literally just an angry troll that yells at anyone who disagrees with him, regardless if they are right.
No one has ever been correct in the history of man by "disagreeing" with LGBT rights. You cannot be a good person if you aren't a supporter. LGBT phobias are indistinguishable from racism and it's high time we stop letting people think political or religious allows give them any right to discriminate against minorities. If you wouldn't say it about a race, don't say it about a sexual orientation or gender identity.

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hockeybub89
03/19/22 11:31:26 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
You do you.
So long as it doesn't increase my taxes, I'm never going to care.
Ayn Rand was a fucking mistake

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Questionmarktarius
03/19/22 11:34:59 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Ayn Rand was a fucking mistake
George Orwell fucked up vastly more young minds anyway.
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AceMos
03/20/22 6:54:56 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
George Orwell fucked up vastly more young minds anyway.
how did orwell fuck up minds

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AceMos
03/20/22 6:56:31 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
My real point is that politicizing trans people is stupid.
and which side is doing that

THE RIGHT

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creativerealms
03/20/22 6:57:24 PM
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The ones making this political are the ones making laws and restrictions based on sexuality and gender.

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x_ligma_balls_x
03/20/22 6:57:55 PM
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love hearing about progressivism from a site eternally stuck in 2005
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AceMos
03/20/22 7:01:56 PM
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x_ligma_balls_x posted...
love hearing about progressivism from a site eternally stuck in 2005
?

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creativerealms
03/20/22 7:06:48 PM
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x_ligma_balls_x posted...
love hearing about progressivism from a site eternally stuck in 2005
The laws red stats like Florida are proposing are happening in 2021.

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Lil_Bit83
03/20/22 7:26:00 PM
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It doesn't. It just means you're not an ass wipe.


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