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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 12:25:55 PM
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But I missed a significant section of an area on my first character because I didn't know I was SUPPOSED to lose to a generic enemy (that is never even worth fighting) in a specific way to access the centre of Volcano Manor. I had to look up a guide because I was getting frustrated trying to figure out how the FUCK I'm supposed to get to this stupid place on my second character

How the hell is anyone supposed to figure that shit out without a guide?

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:26:54 PM
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thanks for explaining further

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Butterfiles
04/05/22 12:27:04 PM
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Ah see, but this is immersion. Or something

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:29:42 PM
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Abductor Virgins can be found in Volcano Manor. To get there, you need to be abducted by the virgin at the bottom of Raya Lucaria Academy. Let it grab you and take you inside it.

holy fucking shit this game doesn't stop

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eston
04/05/22 12:30:09 PM
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Do not question Miyazaki-san's vision!

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:30:21 PM
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Can't you just walk to the volcano manor? Also pretty sure patches tells you what to do to trigger the event

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:30:41 PM
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i mean this is mindblowingly stupid, but this is why i never started new game+

i guess i'll do this and see what they drop...

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darkprince45
04/05/22 12:31:36 PM
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Or you can just walk there lol

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:32:00 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
holy fucking shit this game doesn't stop
Oh then yeah patches tells you to let an iron virgin at the bottom of raya Lucario waterfall capture you

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:32:33 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Or you can just walk there lol
unique area, unique boss fight, unique bonfire, unique drop

so these cute remarks aren't gonna fly

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Jiek_Fafn
04/05/22 12:32:44 PM
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Patches tells you to do it.

Also, it's like a two minute cave with iirc a talisman and some bats in it and a shitty double enemy boss figut. I wouldnt say it's significant. It dumps you out in a very easily accessible area.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:33:05 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
unique area, unique boss fight, unique bonfire, unique drop

so these cute remarks aren't gonna fly

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Oh then yeah patches tells you to let an iron virgin at the bottom of raya Lucario waterfall capture you


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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:34:00 PM
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and i mean god damn, like clockwork you guys are trying to rationalize or justify it. it's fucking stupid

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Doe
04/05/22 12:34:08 PM
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If that was a secret in a different game like Zelda, people would talk about how cool it is and how much detail is in the game, but because it's in a FromSoft game it's obscurist bullshit.

What's the point of secrets if they're all made obvious and trivial?

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:34:17 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
and i mean god damn, like clockwork you guys are trying to rationalize or justify it. it's fucking stupid

Jiek_Fafn posted...
Patches tells you to do it.


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HylianFox
04/05/22 12:34:39 PM
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keyword is "patches"

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pinky0926
04/05/22 12:35:01 PM
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FromSoftware fanboys be like "ugh the NPC told you what to do, didn't you read the dialogue?"

The dialogue: "ehueeuueue, the dark is weary on the eyes, for a wanderer is lost in the bleak..."

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:35:29 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
Patches tells you to do it.
never told me, because i didn't even meet patches until after i reached the manor via Rya or whoever.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:35:45 PM
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HylianFox posted...
keyword is "patches"
And? I did it after spending runes. Worst case is I leave a few thousand runes down there if it's a lie

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:35:47 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
FromSoftware fanboys be like "ugh the NPC told you what to do, didn't you read the dialogue?"

The dialogue: "ehueeuueue, the dark is weary on the eyes, for a wanderer is lost in the bleak..."
lol

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:36:40 PM
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pinky0926 posted...


The dialogue: "ehueeuueue, the dark is weary on the eyes, for a wanderer is lost in the bleak..."
Not in this case. It's very explicit. Even I could understand it

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HylianFox
04/05/22 12:36:48 PM
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It's not just Elden Ring

I fucking hate it in games where you have to do something no skilled or savvy player would ever do.
It's obnoxious.

Like "Oh, you mean I was SUPPOSED to jump through the acid waterfall without any clothes on?" or some counter-intuitive shit

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viewmaster_pi
04/05/22 12:37:31 PM
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this is like in Crash 3 when you had to let a pterodactyl kill you to get to the color gem path

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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 12:38:50 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
patches tells you

I always kill patches and wouldn't believe him anyway

Jiek_Fafn posted...
Also, it's like a two minute cave with iirc a talisman and some bats in it and a shitty double enemy boss figut. I wouldnt say it's significant. It dumps you out in a very easily accessible area.

This isn't an "easily accessible area" because I missed it on my first playthrough, and I was VERY thorough in exploring everything. The only places I did on Mt Gelmir was the outer perimeter and the tiny manor itself, which were just boring kill quests that lead to a boring gimmick boss

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Irony
04/05/22 12:38:53 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
FromSoftware fanboys be like "ugh the NPC told you what to do, didn't you read the dialogue?"

The dialogue: "ehueeuueue, the dark is weary on the eyes, for a wanderer is lost in the bleak..."
No he literally tells you to do. He doesn't fluff the words

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 12:39:38 PM
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MarthGoomba posted...
I always kill patches and wouldn't believe him anyway
You're free to play the game your way

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Jiek_Fafn
04/05/22 12:40:08 PM
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Patches is pretty clear on this one
You're...making your way to the Erdtree, no? Well I heard something that might help. A special means of reaching your destination. Have you ever seen an iron virgin? The clunky contraptions are whirlwinds of sickles and spiked wheels...but long ago, they were endowed with a spell of transposition. And get this. A surviving virgin sits at the bottom of the big waterwheel in the Academy of Raya Lucaria. Its transpositional powers fully intact. So, right, if you get caught in it on purpose...It'll chuck you straight at the base of the Erdtree...Or so I'm told...Ha ha...ha ha...

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itachi15243
04/05/22 12:40:27 PM
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This happened to me by complete accident

If you try to fight these things in Raye lucaria, it'll happen. You don't need to do anything more than not run from them

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scar the 1
04/05/22 12:47:50 PM
#29:


Of all the legitimate complaints about
Elden Ring being obtuse, this one feels a bit forced


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Fluttershy
04/05/22 12:48:00 PM
#30:


who the hell kills patches?

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TheOtherMike
04/05/22 12:48:16 PM
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I never encountered Patches. Had to look him up just now to know wtf you guys were talking about.
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krazychao5
04/05/22 12:51:15 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
This happened to me by complete accident

If you try to fight these things in Raye lucaria, it'll happen. You don't need to do anything more than not run from them
i learned they transport you after i fought very hard to kill it. i was like, whew good thing i didn't get transported after reading the walkthrough after beating the dungeon

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Smashingpmkns
04/05/22 12:51:36 PM
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Aren't there enemies in all Soulslike games that you have to basically get fucked up by and they drag you to a new area? That shit happened in Bloodborne too.

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itachi15243
04/05/22 12:53:50 PM
#34:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Aren't there enemies in all Soulslike games that you have to basically get fucked up by and they drag you to a new area? That shit happened in Bloodborne too.

Yeah, typically.

Demon souls had the bag guys

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CapnMuffin
04/05/22 12:54:57 PM
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MarthGoomba posted...
I always kill patches and wouldn't believe him anyway
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Frostshock
04/05/22 12:55:01 PM
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There is nothing of value missed by not knowing about the shortcut. It's a shortcut to Volcano Manor, but if you're already there normally you can still explore the entire dungeon.

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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 12:58:06 PM
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Frostshock posted...
There is nothing of value missed by not knowing about the shortcut. It's a shortcut to Volcano Manor, but if you're already there normally you can still explore the entire dungeon.

This is a very, very large area. It is most certainly something of value and not a shortcut to the manor. The shortcut is having Rya take you there directly. The other path is on the outside of the mountain, not through the lava place, if you missed Rya.

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Fluttershy
04/05/22 12:59:20 PM
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I didn't even know Patches could be interacted with because I just went to some cave and he was the boss there and I kicked his ass and never saw him again >_>

so halfway through when he started asking you not to kill him, uhhhh

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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 12:59:59 PM
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Fluttershy posted...
so halfway through when he started asking you not to kill him, uhhhh

That's when you kill him harder because it's a trick to let your guard down

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scar the 1
04/05/22 1:01:27 PM
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I feel like if you start killing NPCs, then complaints about how the were no clues in the game kinda fall over

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Gwynevere
04/05/22 1:04:28 PM
#42:


*game literally tells you exactly how to get to a secret area*

"Man this game is too full of obscure stuff, how would anyone know that"


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scar the 1
04/05/22 1:05:35 PM
#43:


Gwynevere posted...
*game literally tells you exactly how to get to a secret area*

"Man this game is too full of obscure stuff, how would anyone know that"
Not to mention you can actually reach the fight from the main manor as well?

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Smashingpmkns
04/05/22 1:06:06 PM
#44:


I think even when you hit Patches a few more times when he begins begging he like doubles down on the begging and is completely docile. Didn't need a guide for that lol

I kinda understand not finding Patches but that also means you probably didn't find a lot of shit because he's not particularly hidden compared to that area in Bloodborne you have to take the carriage to.

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Ratchetrockon
04/05/22 1:06:56 PM
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Patches tells you but he shows up in a pretty random spot in Liurnia after the first encounter. Since the game shows NPC locations now it's not difficult to find as long as you've found him in that random cave in limgrave . Prior to patch 1.03, he was easy to miss IMO until you see him in the manor again.
I missed him my first two playthroughs entirely lol. That said I've noticed a lot of people spending like 100 hours exploring the limgrave, liurnia, plateau area that didn't seem to have any trouble with some of the missable content. i beat the game twice before the 100-hour mark and only do half-assed adventuring in each region.

I do consider that shortcut to be kinda an easter egg. it's not really needed tbh. you can access where it teleports you through the manor anyways although you do have to travel through an illusionary wall to reach that area.

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/05/22 1:07:07 PM
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I found it by chance, and it was awesome because it was completely unexpected.

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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 1:07:26 PM
#47:


scar the 1 posted...
Not to mention you can actually reach the fight from the main manor as well?

Nothing in the manor itself leads anywhere. There's a blocked shut door and a door locked from the other side. I did all the quests, everyone left, and neither door opened.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/05/22 1:07:48 PM
#48:


Is TC the guy that claims to have beaten the other souls games blind without dying on the first playthroughs?

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MarthGoomba
04/05/22 1:09:01 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Is TC the guy that claims to have beaten the other souls games blind without dying on the first playthroughs?

I did that for Dark Souls 1, yes. But not 2 or 3.

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CapnMuffin
04/05/22 1:09:06 PM
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Honestly aside from all that, IMO, thats the beauty of the design choice. Some of you got there by sparing Patches and interacting with him. Some got there by complete accident. And some missed it and still have surprises in store for another time. Maybe not everyones cup of tea, especially in a world where most game developers are afraid youll miss things and ham fist every secret your way, but I love and prefer the way ER does it.
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