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redrocket
04/16/22 9:11:57 AM
#51:


The first part with the Dothraki charging into the darkness and just getting extinguished looked really cool (it was stupid as hell, but it looked cool). After that though, yikes.

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htaeD
04/16/22 9:34:58 AM
#52:


I cant choose between The Long Night or Beyond the Wall
add a half vote to both I guess

The Best for me is probably Blackwater, though all the other ones mentioned I like too

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Johnbobb
04/16/22 10:59:57 AM
#53:


ctesjbuvf posted...
It made absolutely no sense in Sandor's story arc to want to fight Gregor, other than to please fans that wanted Cleganebowl to happen. The fight was cool looking in itself, I'll give it that much, but it wasn't a good conclusion to anything.
I don't know how you watch this show and think The Hound had no desire for revenge against his brother

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FFDragon
04/16/22 12:23:08 PM
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Sandor wanted more revenge against chickens than Gregor tbqh

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Mega Mana
04/16/22 1:03:31 PM
#55:


Best: The Winds of Winter

I forgot how insanely good the season 6 finale was and what it meant for the endgame. Everything was converging and characters long-gone from central locations (Arya, Dany, Tyrion, Jon) were on their way back. It sucks that momentum didn't continue that well into the next two seasons, but after two or three seasons of plodding plots and disappointing changes, this was anazing. Also considered, Baelor, Hardhome, and The Rains od Castamere.

Worst: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

Season 8 as a whole tanked the series, and Beyond the Wall is such a stupid episode, but this was just... guh. Jaime and Bronn in Dorne is the most nothing story; Arya in the Hall of Faces was duller than it should have rightly been; and Sansa. Uggggh. That whole thing with Ramsay.

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ctesjbuvf
04/17/22 7:05:02 PM
#56:


Johnbobb posted...
I don't know how you watch this show and think The Hound had no desire for revenge against his brother

No desire is a stretch, but it has clearly never been a priority for him. He hates him alright, but the idea that he not only wanted him dead but also absolutely had to do it himself even if it was extremely likely to cost him his own life is very forced and makes any development of his kinda pointless.

Their initial battle in the very first season is great because Sandor makes no attempt at hurting Gregor, but only defends himself and Loras. It shows the clear difference between them.

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CoolCly
04/17/22 7:29:28 PM
#57:


I don't understand how people thought Cleganebowl was visually interesting. The Mountain was like a target dummy that doesn't move or take any damage. The Hound was apparently finding some kind of emotional resolution through it all but it felt like a fight with one participant.

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Aecioo
04/17/22 7:31:19 PM
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ctesjbuvf posted...
No desire is a stretch, but it has clearly never been a priority for him. He hates him alright, but the idea that he not only wanted him dead but also absolutely had to do it himself even if it was extremely likely to cost him his own life is very forced and makes any development of his kinda pointless.
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CoolCly posted...
I don't understand how people thought Cleganebowl was visually interesting. The Mountain was like a target dummy that doesn't move or take any damage. The Hound was apparently finding some kind of emotional resolution through it all but it felt like a fight with one participant.

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CoolCly
04/17/22 7:36:58 PM
#59:


"that's what you've always been!"

I guess he'd been a target dummy the hounds entire life

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Aecioo
04/17/22 7:40:57 PM
#60:


At the end of the day, cleganebowl was earned, but executed in such an awful way (like most of S8) that it feels so much worse than it actually was.

No idea how you can try and say there was no desire by Sandor to kill his brother.

The fact that it ended in a badly filmed fight with a bunch of bad cgi in a burning castle that shouldn't have even been burning does not remove the fact that it was earned. It was just... awful. Like most plot points finished in the final few seasons.

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MariaTaylor
04/17/22 10:56:35 PM
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ctes point is actually correct, but his argument for it was not very good. it's actually true that the hound should not have fought gregor in the end; a song of ice and fire is an anti war story. the entire point of the hound's character arc is that he walks away from battle in one final act of defiance before going to live a peaceful life. in the end he won because he escaped the cycle of violence, revenge, and hatred.

'and then some random bandits came and he had to become a badass again' is some action movie hero shit, and has no place among the themes of what this story was supposed to be about. if the book actually does go this way I'll be a little bit disappointed, but I do have faith that GRRM could do a better job of writing it than D&D. however, like a lot of stuff that happened in the last half of the TV series, I'm not considering that it's any indication of what is canon, because D&D were clearly just making up whatever they wanted, and so it's tough to say if any specific plot point is from the outline of where the story was supposed to go or if it's just something they added because people think the idea of 'cleganebowl' is cool.


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ctesjbuvf
04/18/22 4:22:19 AM
#62:


Again, no desire is perhaps a stretch, but his story up until that point has been about him defying these things. Maria explained this part a lot better.

Gregor is that point is basically not Gregor anymore, but even before he becomes Robert Strong (I think the show uses this name like once), Gregor doesn't care all too much about Sandor, any hatred is one-sided. After the scene I mentioned before they don't really ever interact again. If what you got from Sandor's story arc was that he's someone who just needs to personally kill Gregor, then you're missing the point entirely.

The end of the show misses it too. The Gregor he hates is more or less already dead. The Gregor that is "alive" very likely already dies soon regardless, and this is certain by the time Sandor gets to him as Drogon is almost finished burning down the city. At that point he chooses that there's no other point to his life than killing his brother's remains. How's that a good conclusion to what he has been through.

There are also ways to pull off a Cleganebowl that isn't as forced and terrible and has bigger impact on the world than that Sandor would die knowing he took his brother down with him.

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andylt
04/18/22 7:44:21 AM
#63:


I agree with Maria and ctes, Sandor undoing his personal growth for the sake of getting vengeance on what isn't even his brother anymore is why 'Cleganebowl' as a concept never appealed to me.

MariaTaylor posted...
the entire point of the hound's character arc is that he walks away from battle in one final act of defiance before going to live a peaceful life. in the end he won because he escaped the cycle of violence, revenge, and hatred.

This puts it perfectly. I know that characters can fall back on their old ways and that can be used effectively to make a point about the self destructive cycle of violence, but ASOIAF already has a bunch of arcs where someone being consumed by their desire for revenge is their undoing (Oberyn, Stoneheart) and I don't think the Hound falling into that same pit really adds anything to the story. To be fair, the show uses Sandor to stop Arya from going down that route too (maybe filling Stoneheart's role?), but I have many issues with that particular writing choice (and the fact it actually works!!) and it's undercut anyway because the writers clearly want people to be hyped over the impending Cleganebowl fight.

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foolm0r0n
04/18/22 10:57:30 PM
#64:


GRRM 100% fed all the major plot points to the show writers just to test them out before putting them in his book. It would've been a genius strategy if the books were ever gonna come out.

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ctesjbuvf
04/19/22 4:17:35 AM
#65:


He might very well have, but considering the amount of cut important characters and time restrictions, reaching those same places can turn out on a very different way. While the differneces from the first three books are what you should probably always expect from a film adaption, the show differs a whole lot from the latest two books already and that will escalate as they get to points from later books as a lot of important characters are now in completely different places and storylines.

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MariaTaylor
04/19/22 4:51:47 AM
#66:


I think a good example is how the Dorne plot was uh... wrapped up. If you could call it that.

So the Sand Snakes I guess they just kill Doran Martell and then take over the country somehow. And then they go and join forces with Dany before immediately being killed off by the Ironborn. I dunno, something tells me that this is not going to happen in the books. But even then, what can you take away from it?

Is Dorne going to ally with Dany in the books? Or did this just get folded into the plot because they decided to cut Aegon completely? Maybe in the books the Dornish are going to ally with Aegon instead. This actually seems likely, given the direction the books are going. But maybe it's nobody at all, and D&D just decided to pair them up with Dany because "it would be cool." Are the Sand Snakes really going to assassinate Doran Martell? Or will it be someone else? Or maybe no one at all. Maybe they just cut their losses because they messed up the plot so badly they wanted to essentially jettison all of the dead weight as fast as possible.

There's seriously no indication that anything which happened in the show might even remotely resemble anything that happens in the books. For all we know they might have gotten the most vague confirmation that the Gravedigger is indeed the Hound, and then they made up all of the rest of that shit on their own because the actor is really good and he was a popular character they wanted to use for more fanservice.

Still, even years later, we can all come together in unity and shit on this terrible, awful show and laugh about how bad it was and discuss how it ruined its own legacy. So there is still some entertainment value there.


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ctesjbuvf
04/19/22 5:35:58 AM
#67:


A good example of something already known to be vastly different is how they left out Jeyne Poole from the show, so Sansa plays her role of Ramsey's wife, which is why it seems so forced and weird when Littlefinger suddenly sends Sansa to Winterfell. Obviously, this will never happen to Sansa in the books. Perhaps she ends up coming to the north later on and she'll end up the same place, but the journey will have been quite different to say the least.

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andylt
04/19/22 3:44:59 PM
#68:


I think we can figure some things out based on the show, to varying degrees. Like obviously Hodor's reveal will be similar, and Bran must wind up on the throne. But based on Cersei not doing anything in the last two seasons, I think she probably dies after blowing up the Sept in the books and Aegon sits the throne by the time Dany arrives. Between seeing another Targaryen on the throne and a much darker and spiteful book Tyrion whispering poisons in her ear about Westeros, I think her destruction of KL will be easier to swallow.

The stuff with the Dornish, Ironborn, Varys and Littlefinger is anyone's guess though, they're so far removed from their book selves that I don't think we can infer much of anything for them from the show. Same for people like Sandor and Bronn who only stuck around in the show because they're fan favs/D&D like them.

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lordjers
04/19/22 6:56:21 PM
#70:


Hound did stop Arya from becoming punisher so she could become just an adventurer, so there's that. Dying as you lived doesn't contradict any anti-war motif either. I wasn't as hyped for Cleganebowl as many, but I can buy what went on.

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Maniac64
04/20/22 6:50:03 PM
#71:


Unless someone else wants to count the votes we wont have a new topic until this weekend. I'm pretty swamped right now.

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Eddv
04/21/22 12:44:17 PM
#72:


Best: You Win or You Die
Worst: The Long Night

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