Poll of the Day > Puerto Rican chick from the Bronx > Billionaire

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HornedLion posted...

Attention: Internet Smart Guys,

500 points goes to the person that can name the logical fallacy used by this user in the quote.

Correct Answer: The Strawman

BlackScythe0 posted...

Best person in Congress. Let me guess you like Rand Paul when he makes dipshit statements like it would be cool if the UK invaded us because we used to be part of them.

I dont think there's a politician alive that hasn't made or said something stupid, AOC just takes it to new levels
Woman are menstruating people, her protest to get the CDC to unconstitutionally extend the eviction moratorium, her trip (unmasked) to Florida was hypocritical, in tears for her live during the Jan 6th riot when she wasnt even there... but yeah, keep at it New York, your state is doing fantastic

JixHedgehog posted...

Woman are menstruating people

yes?

what does her menstrual cycles have to do with you in literally any way

not only are you delusional and a defender of racism, you're also sexist

lmao what else are you gonna surprise us with next? you're part of the proud boys too?

Adam_Savage posted...

you are literally fooling no one when you say this, given you repeatedly post right wing misinformation and try to defend right wing politicians

it's like zeus trying to claim that he's a centrist

i don't think so chief

Things I agree with on the left.
Universal healthcare
State funded university (STEM fields at least)
Higher taxes on the rich
Some form of UBI
Stricter corporate oversight/regulation
Increased minimum wage
Most environmental issues

Things I agree with on the right.
Free speech
Guns
Woke bullshit

. . . Yet I still get called far right, lol.

Ozmose posted...

Things I agree with on the left.
Universal healthcare
State funded university (STEM fields at least)
Higher taxes on the rich
Some form of UBI
Stricter corporate oversight/regulation
Increased minimum wage
Most environmental issues

Things I agree with on the right.
Free speech
Guns
Woke bullshit

. . . Yet I still get called far right, lol.

The right is the ones who are against freedom of speech though? So what are you talking about? Like is this some sort of butt hurt about hate speech getting moderated on social media or something? It's the right that frequently gets laws overturned for actually violating freedom of speech.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The right is the ones who are against freedom of speech though? So what are you talking about? Like is this some sort of butt hurt about hate speech getting moderated on social media or something? It's the right that frequently gets laws overturned for actually violating freedom of speech.

Well, hate speech isn't really a thing. It's just a term that's used as a control mechanism. This used to be something that was universally understood. No matter how vile it is, your speech is still protected. Period. Hell, the ACLU went to bat for the KKK on this very principal.

Ozmose posted...

Well she's currently driving a Tesla well smack talking Elon Musk. I wouldn't consider that to be very bright.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/0/AABsC-AADMJo.jpg
This you?

Ozmose posted...

Well, hate speech isn't really a thing. It's just a term that's used as a control mechanism. This used to be something that was universally understood. No matter how vile it is, your speech is still protected. Period. Hell, the ACLU went to bat for the KKK on this very principal.

You did not respond to my comment. I am very aware of what freedom of speech is.

Zareth posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/0/AABsC-AADMJo.jpg
This you?

Yup, that's me. I'm a poorly written comic strip character. How did you guess?

BlackScythe0 posted...

You did not respond to my comment. I am very aware of what freedom of speech is.

I don't think you do. Hence the response given.

Make an off-the-cuff comment referencing their decidedly right-wing stance on one particular topic, and they start sweating and wringing their hands and claiming I'm accusing them of being "far right" lmao

Classic right-wing persecution complex

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/8/AAZslrAADMKi.jpg

Far-Queue posted...

Make an off-the-cuff comment referencing their decidedly right-wing stance on one particular topic, and they start sweating and wringing their hands and claiming I'm accusing them of being "far right" lmao

Classic right-wing persecution complex

Lol!!! I literally posted 7 things I lean left on, and only 3 that I lean right!
This why people think the left is full of fucking psychotic zealots, because it's never enough. I've always been pretty independent on things, but the more people like you I come across on the left, the less I want to associate with that side of the aisle. You wonder why this board is dying? It's because it's turning into an echo chamber. Full of people who would rather sniff their own farts all day than expose themselves to opposing views. I argue with plenty of people on the right on other boards, but at least they don't act like snarky pricks all the time.

Ozmose posted...

Things I agree with on the left.
Universal healthcare
State funded university (STEM fields at least)
Higher taxes on the rich
Some form of UBI
Stricter corporate oversight/regulation
Increased minimum wage
Most environmental issues

Things I agree with on the right.
Free speech
Guns
Woke bullshit

. . . Yet I still get called far right, lol.

So you agree with the lefts policies but fall far rightwing propaganda.

Still gnashing your teeth over this? Dude I'm not putting you in a box over your entire ideology, I'm literally remarking solely on your response to a meme lmao

you're twisted in knots over a shitty memeabout Elon fucking Musk you gotta relax bro

Adam_Savage posted...

yes?

what does her menstrual cycles have to do with you in literally any way

She believes women should be called menstruating people, sorry I should've made that clearer

Adam_Savage posted...

while y'all got horseface Marjorie lmao

How did everyone just ignore this? Aoc definitely has a horseface...
Arcturusisnow posted...

And the stupidity keeps on oozing out.

Let's be real, both pics are true

Ozmose posted...

Things I agree with on the right.
Free speech
Guns
Woke bulls***

. . . Yet I still get called far right, lol.

This is the one you need to elaborate on to realize why people have that impression of you. There are many who complain about "woke bullshit" as a flimsy disguise for blatant homophobia, racism, and other deplorable attitudes that are considered characteristic of the far right. Using the phrase as a blanket term tends to lump you in with that crowd regardless of what your actual beliefs are, so I would advise you try to avoid doing that and instead state the constituent beliefs on an individual, contextually relevant basis so people can judge you accordingly.

The reality of the matter is that the social left is very intolerant of the intolerance common to the social right, to such an extent that being so intolerant is often seen as being bad enough to outweigh any good that might come from other, left-leaning views. There's room to debate whether or not that's the right way to approach things (though really, that's a symptom of the two-party system more than any particular individual failings), but it's how it works, so don't be surprised when people don't bother differentiating you from others that share views they consider unacceptable.

JixHedgehog posted...

She believes women should be called menstruating people, sorry I should've made that clearer

She believes that people who menstruate should be called menstruating people. Which... makes sense. I'm not sure why anyone would suggest otherwise.

More specifically, comments like that are part of an effort (one which extends far beyond AOC) to speak more precisely and inclusively about menstruation: Not all women menstruate, and not all who menstruate are women. Therefore, using the term "women" when you're referring to people who menstruate is inaccurate.

adjl posted...

not all who menstruate are women.

I know some dudes act like women on their menstrual cycle but I'm pretty sure they aren't actually menstruating

Muscles posted...

I know some dudes act like women on their menstrual cycle but I'm pretty sure they aren't actually menstruating

I know you know better than to think that's what anyone's talking about.

adjl posted...

I know you know better than to think that's what anyone's talking about.

I mean, yeah sure intersex and transmen exist so if you want to get super nitpicky and technical that's true but for like 99% of the population you can say women menstruate and men don't and you'll be good.

Ozmose posted...

I don't think you do. Hence the response given.

No I do. I know that freedom of speech is that the government will not fine or jail us for our protected speech. What I also know is that anyone who would attempt to claim conservatives support and defend freedom of speech either has no clue what conservatives stand for or isn't actually talking about freedom of speech.

No I'm quite confident you are speaking about the "conservative concept" of freedom of speech, the one where you force people to publish your speech a violation of their rights or the one where you want the government to step in and prevent you from facing consequences of your actions once again a violation of others rights.

That isn't even getting into you trying to say hate speech isn't a thing? Like wtf dude?

Muscles posted...

I mean, yeah sure intersex and transmen exist so if you want to get super nitpicky and technical that's true but for like 99% of the population you can say women menstruate and men don't and you'll be good.

And therein lies the issue of inclusivity: It's a matter of trying to speak in a way that doesn't require backtracking if you discover that you've left somebody out that shouldn't be left out. People are generally happier when they aren't treated as an afterthought.

Now, is that somebody everyone should be doing all the time? Not necessarily. As you say, the vast majority of the time, you're not going to be leaving anyone out (though there is the flip side of women who don't menstruate, which is actually quite common) and it's an easy correction to make if you do, so you probably won't cause any harm. That doesn't mean, however, that anyone that does choose to speak more inclusively is wrong to do so. They are in fact more right than you are, just in a way that you value less than the added effort of a couple extra syllables and some conscious effort.

That difference, however, becomes much more significant for public figures and when dealing with policy writing. When public figures make a habit of speaking inclusively, that influences the culture at a broader level and can lead to normalizing that habit (and a huge part of your resistance to speaking that way is feeling like it's unusual and not wanting people to think you're weird), or at the very least sparking discussion around it to raise awareness of the issue (see: our conversation right now). When it comes to policy, anything that is meant to affect menstruating women should extend to anyone that menstruates, so it's very important there to speak precisely and inclusively. AOC is both a public figure and somebody who participates in writing governmental policy, so her choosing to speak more inclusively and think in those terms is very definitely a good thing.

adjl posted...

This is the one you need to elaborate on to realize why people have that impression of you. There are many who complain about "woke bullshit" as a flimsy disguise for blatant homophobia, racism, and other deplorable attitudes that are considered characteristic of the far right. Using the phrase as a blanket term tends to lump you in with that crowd regardless of what your actual beliefs are, so I would advise you try to avoid doing that and instead state the constituent beliefs on an individual, contextually relevant basis so people can judge you accordingly.

The reality of the matter is that the social left is very intolerant of the intolerance common to the social right, to such an extent that being so intolerant is often seen as being bad enough to outweigh any good that might come from other, left-leaning views. There's room to debate whether or not that's the right way to approach things (though really, that's a symptom of the two-party system more than any particular individual failings), but it's how it works, so don't be surprised when people don't bother differentiating you from others that share views they consider unacceptable.

She believes that people who menstruate should be called menstruating people. Which... makes sense. I'm not sure why anyone would suggest otherwise.

More specifically, comments like that are part of an effort (one which extends far beyond AOC) to speak more precisely and inclusively about menstruation: Not all women menstruate, and not all who menstruate are women. Therefore, using the term "women" when you're referring to people who menstruate is inaccurate.

Do it then.

If we just take politics aside this woman is beautiful. I admire her natural beauty. She doesnt slut it up either. Just authentic i know i look good and no need to go j.lo sluty on the bit
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/7/AADUYLAADMOH.jpg

Muscles posted...

How did everyone just ignore this? Aoc definitely has a horseface...

She's had more of a .. mantis looking face, eyes are always wide open..

Credit to mantis' thou, probably more thought going on in their heads

adjl posted...

When it comes to policy, anything that is meant to affect menstruating women should extend to anyone that menstruates, so it's very important there to speak precisely and inclusively. AOC is both a public figure and somebody who participates in writing governmental policy, so her choosing to speak more inclusively and think in those terms is very definitely a good thing.

I get what you're saying but I feel like the problem isn't not being inclusive enough its the fact that they focus so much on the wording of laws instead of of the spirit of the law. For an example, say there was a law to give women free pads/tampons/whatever then it should also extend to intersex and transmen that need it without explicitly saying it because common sense will tell you that they fit what the law is about.

BlackScythe0 posted...

What I also know is that anyone who would attempt to claim conservatives support and defend freedom of speech either has no clue what conservatives stand for or isn't actually talking about freedom of speech.

Yeah, conservatives in Florida literally just punished Disney for exercising their right to free speech by speaking out against a new law.

Muscles posted...

I get what you're saying but I feel like the problem isn't not being inclusive enough its the fact that they focus so much on the wording of laws instead of of the spirit of the law. For an example, say there was a law to give women free pads/tampons/whatever then it should also extend to intersex and transmen that need it without explicitly saying it because common sense will tell you that they fit what the law is about.

Common sense means little to nothing in the law, though. If the law says women get free feminine hygeine products, that means women - and only women - get them. Trans men do not, or if they do, it's because the law deliberately misgenders them (and changing that would mean they miss out). Subsequent discrimination lawsuits will likely be won (though given the current makeup of the Supreme Court and the transphobia that tends to accompany those political leanings, even that's hardly guaranteed) and the law will be amended to apply to anyone that menstruates, but why go through all that hassle when you could just word it correctly in the first place?

I understand where you're coming from. You don't necessarily disagree with the fundamental point, you just think that the normal way of doing things is good enough that there's no need to go through the awkwardness of trying to change it and explain yourself to people around you. That's pretty normal for people for whom the status quo isn't a problem, especially those who don't have many peers that take an interest in such social justice issues (which leads to that aforementioned need to explain any deviation from "normal" styles of speech). The fact of the matter, though, is that the status quo is a problem for some people, sometimes a very serious problem. Deviating from it can help them feel a lot more comfortable, even if it involves some discomfort on your part.

You're not wrong to feel uncomfortable, nor do I want to force you out of your comfort zone, but try to recognize that that's what's going on instead of trying to rationalize it as being anything other than you feeling uncomfortable deviating from the norm. That's okay.

adjl posted...

Common sense means little to nothing in the law, though. If the law says women get free feminine hygeine products, that means women - and only women - get them. Trans men do not, or if they do, it's because the law deliberately misgenders them (and changing that would mean they miss out). Subsequent discrimination lawsuits will likely be won (though given the current makeup of the Supreme Court and the transphobia that tends to accompany those political leanings, even that's hardly guaranteed) and the law will be amended to apply to anyone that menstruates, but why go through all that hassle when you could just word it correctly in the first place?

I understand where you're coming from. You don't necessarily disagree with the fundamental point, you just think that the normal way of doing things is good enough that there's no need to go through the awkwardness of trying to change it and explain yourself to people around you. That's pretty normal for people for whom the status quo isn't a problem, especially those who don't have many peers that take an interest in such social justice issues (which leads to that aforementioned need to explain any deviation from "normal" styles of speech). The fact of the matter, though, is that the status quo is a problem for some people, sometimes a very serious problem. Deviating from it can help them feel a lot more comfortable, even if it involves some discomfort on your part.

You're not wrong to feel uncomfortable, nor do I want to force you out of your comfort zone, but try to recognize that that's what's going on instead of trying to rationalize it as being anything other than you feeling uncomfortable deviating from the norm. That's okay.

I wouldn't say I'm uncomfortable with it, it just comes off as overly technical and pedantic

And it comes off that way because it's unusual to be that technical and pedantic about this particular issue. I fully expect you're equally technical and pedantic (probably actually even more so) about any number of things that your peer group is used to without giving it a second thought. It's all about adhering to or deviating from your social norms, and paying any attention at all to gender issues deviates from social norms for many people that have never had to consider them.