Current Events > Capital G Gamers triggered over a single line in AI: Somnium Files

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CyricZ posted...

Obviously it's semantic, given the character is fictional and can't correct you or get personally offended

Yeah but then you go bother real people about fictional character rights. Even though the character is gender neutral and is absolutely not the kind to be bothered by it, I don't even remember him telling others what to use.

Whether it's "rude" doesn't matter until someone is offended by it

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Yeah but then you go bother real people about fictional character rights. Even though the character is gender neutral and is absolutely not the kind to be bothered by it, I don't even remember him telling others what to use

You clearly aren't the type of mind to remember much of anything.

Doe posted...

You clearly aren't the type of mind to remember much of anything.

You clearly are a nobody pulling things out of your ass

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Yeah but then you go bother people about it.

Please see...
CyricZ posted...

The implication is that you wouldn't hesitate to misgender a real person if you felt so inclined.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Even though the character is gender neutral and is absolutely not the kind to be bothered by it, I don't even remember him telling others what to use

The in-game characters use she/her pronouns when referring to her, directly implying those are her preferred pronouns. The fact that the character can't respond to you in any capacity doesn't invalidate your rudeness in the general discussion we're having with other real people in this topic.

I mean if you're not even going to treat a fictional character with respect, I don't really see much optimism for treating real people with respect.

CyricZ posted...

For a slightly more extreme example, imagine if you were to call a fictional black person the n-word

the mere use of the n-word tags you as racist, for a good reason.
Try again with an example that isn't taken way out of context.

You're basically telling me never to use genderspecific pronouns again. That's idiotic

Tyranthraxus posted...

I mean if you're not even going to treat a fictional character with respect, I don't really see much optimism for treating real people with respect.

The demonstration of that has already begun.

G*mers are a mistake.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

You clearly are a nobody pulling things out of your ass

Are you somebody, though?

Heartomaton posted...

Are you somebody, though?

Are you? Are any of us?

Noraneko_Vel posted...

You're basically telling me never to use genderspecific pronouns again. That's idiotic

I'm asking for respect and dignity. That's all.

If not for myself then for the multiple gender nonconforming people on this board.

It seems you're not interested in that.

AmericaTheBrave posted...

I don't get this.

If you're gender neutral and go by she/her then aren't you not gender neutral? You're going by a gender's pronouns.

Think of gender like a spectrum, but not just from left to right but also forward and back and up and down. There's transgender women who are super butch and transgender men who are super feminine. Doesn't mean that they're not the gender they are. As for gender neutral people, sure plenty use they/ them. Others use they/ he or any pronouns or maybe any pronouns except he. They still are gender neutral even if they only go by she/ her. You might not get it but when you stop trying to force everything into neat little boxes it gets easier to comprehend.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Are you? Are any of us?

Does that make calling someone a nobody pointless and stupid?

CyricZ posted...

I'm asking for respect and dignity. That's all.

Then don't be obnoxious.
I'm fine with calling people I know by the pronoun they want to be called, but bothering people coz they picked a pronoun for a gender neutral fictional character is rude and ridiculous.

I want to play this game cuz apparently the MC is a huge horndog for titties >_>

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Then don't be obnoxious.
I'm fine with calling people I know by the pronoun they want to be called, but bothering people coz they picked a pronoun for a gender neutral fictional character is rude and ridiculous.

I guess Master Chief is a girl now, thanks for giving me permission. Oh wait, no, he's canonically going by male pronouns.

To begin with, this is an internet text board. Here even people with a female name can be male. Like I have an account named after Hatsune Miku.

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Why should I care?

gunplagirl posted...

I guess Master Chief is a girl now

And without the unmasking Samus would be male. What of it?
Except the char in question is gender neutral and this weirdo is telling me to treat the char as female

damn i made the topic as a little joke and because i have to wait for something. it blew up

NeonOctopus posted...

I want to play this game cuz apparently the MC is a huge horndog for titties >_>

No you know what you need to play? Valkyrie Drive: Bhikkhuni.

Here's a video that tells you everything you need to know:
https://youtu.be/ZQo4NH2EyHI?t=14m15s

I timestamp it to the important part.

@NeonOctopus

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Then don't be obnoxious.

So are you saying me being obnoxious is fueling your desire to misgender this character?

Doesn't sound great.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No you know what you need to play? Valkyrie Drive: Bhikkhuni.

Here's a video that tells you everything you need to know:
https://youtu.be/ZQo4NH2EyHI?t=14m15s

I timestamp it to the important part.

@NeonOctopus

The timestamp didn't work but I saw the part you wanted.

lmao, God bless Japan >_>

CyricZ posted...

So are you saying me being obnoxious is fueling your desire to misgender this character

You are bothering people for literally no reason at all, literally forcing your opinions on them.
Yes, you are obnoxious. You're fighting for fictional characters' emotions, even though the character in question is neutral and wouldn't be bothered by it, would just shrug it off with a silly joke.

Stop being an oversensitive snowflake?
Your signature is already enough of a red flag. I'm fine calling you by the sig's pronouns, but do not spread your insecurities to fictional people

Noraneko_Vel posted...

You are bothering people for literally no reason at all, literally forcing your opinions on them.
Yes, you are obnoxious. You're fighting for fictional characters' emotions, even though the character in question is neutral and wouldn't be bothered by it, would just shrug it off with a silly joke.

Just because they're gender neutral doesn't mean you can disregard their pronouns. If you're being edgy and trolling then stop. And if you're serious and don't understand how pronouns work, then Google can help.

It's a VN, which most "gamers" will ignore anyway. This is just twitter-style outrage-by-proxy bullshit.

hyped for the sequel tbh
somnium files wasnt quite as good virtues last reward, but it was still something special. Ill be buying and playing the nirvana initiative day 1
i refuse to believe anyone is actually upset over mizukis line there

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's a VN, which most "gamers" will ignore anyway. This is just twitter-style outrage-by-proxy bullshit.

Do you not realize that the game got hit with a massive amount of people who gave it bad reviews across all systems when the pro LGBT stuff came to light?

Fuse is getting short, and he's about to blow.

I suggest we find cover.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

You are bothering people for literally no reason at all, literally forcing your opinions on them.

The reason is I respect my gender nonconforming friends and would like to promote that respect by calling out disrespect where I see it.

And I've certainly given you my opinion, and used facts to back it up. You're free to ignore it. There is no actual forcing going on here. I have no means to force you at my disposal. Just words.

As to me being obnoxious, you can stop responding to me at any time. I'll probably go away.

But somehow I don't think it's about that.

Because not responding to me would be a concession.

And a concession would imply that you're wrong.

Wrong. On the Internet, no less.

To be perfectly frank, I'm hanging on here because this probably the easiest argument I've had in weeks.

gunplagirl posted...

Do you not realize that the game got hit with a massive amount of people who gave it bad reviews across all systems when the pro LGBT stuff came to light?

Are we still pretending that reviews are important?

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Canonical pronouns, no less. Hell, the character in question is clearly presenting in a very feminine manner. But nah, masculine voice so the guy has to misgender her.

Makes you wonder (or rather, know explicitly) what he'd do if he ever talked about real life non-cisgender people.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Also, misgendering? Who the fuck cares

This is what we call 'Tipping your hand'.

gunplagirl posted...

Just because they're gender neutral doesn't mean you can disregard their pronouns. If you're being edgy and trolling then stop. And if you're serious and don't understand how pronouns work, then Google can help.

Then it sounds like that someone is just trying to gather attention.
You can't say you're gender neutral and then demand to be treated like a female

Questionmarktarius posted...

Are we still pretending that reviews are important?

It does to many people, and algorithms can still be affected and reduce how widespread the advertising is to people who might not normally have that sort of game appear in their ads.

the funnier thing about this whole topic someone literally whining about "misgendering" a video game character. Im sure its feelings will be hurt.

The text in the screenshot doesnt really matter. Its basically just an objective fact and not really pro or anti anything in of itself. :/

Aaaaand there we go, tipped his hand too much and now to sit and wait for the mods to hopefully do their job.

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"Those are just suggestions" or something?

Noraneko_Vel posted...

You are bothering people for literally no reason at all, literally forcing your opinions on them.
Yes, you are obnoxious. You're fighting for fictional characters' emotions, even though the character in question is neutral and wouldn't be bothered by it, would just shrug it off with a silly joke.

Stop being an oversensitive snowflake?
Your signature is already enough of a red flag. I'm fine calling you by the sig's pronouns, but do not spread your insecurities to fictional people

Man claiming opinions are forced on him writes fanfic explaining why his misgendering is okay and is completely unaware of the contradictions therein.

Guess common sense is lost to the bunch of you. Imagine bothering people about fictional character rights and being adamant about it

Noraneko_Vel posted...

Guess common sense is lost to the bunch of you. Imagine bothering people about fictional character rights and being adamant about it

I mean common sense is more like "they asked for she/her pronouns, please use them" and not "100 post GameFAQs argument about why it's okay to not use them"

"Mizuki is clearly forced to say it cause she's scared!".

She gives a 30 second speech on her admiration of the LGBT community. It's not the game "trying to state an objective fact" or some bullshit, it's just the character talking. Judge for yourself.

https://twitter.com/FurryPhilosifer/status/1454299507227770882