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Cheater87
05/14/22 10:48:04 AM
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https://fox11online.com/news/local/parent-of-kiel-student-investigated-for-sexual-harassment-over-mispronouning-fights-back

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Turbam
05/14/22 10:48:37 AM
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I'm not gonna click on a fox news article

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TMOG
05/14/22 10:48:52 AM
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Turbam posted...
I'm not gonna click on a fox news article

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FinalFight
05/14/22 10:49:53 AM
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Turbam posted...
I'm not gonna click on a fox news article
Its a local fox affiliate. They have nothing to do with Fox national news, and are more than likely Democrats themselves.

Calm down.

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eston
05/14/22 10:55:17 AM
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If they're intentionally misgendering another student, much like the kid's mom is doing in this article, then obviously that's something the school needs to address.

Also the fact that this kid jumped straight to saying it's his constitutional right tells me he's almost certainly following his parents' lead here

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DespondentDeity
05/14/22 10:55:56 AM
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Its an anti trans article.

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FinalFight
05/14/22 10:57:45 AM
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On topic: I can see this being chalked up to bullying, but sexual harassment is a stretch. At my job if you dont refer to someone by their appropriate pronouns, you have to go to mandatory sensitivity training. If it continues, depending on the context, youll go up for review and could be suspended or fired.

Its not even connected to sexual harassment cases, which depending on context can lead to immediate firing and the police being called.

I think the school is cheapening public perception of actual harassment cases by grouping this in with that.

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ThyCorndog
05/14/22 10:57:50 AM
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eston posted...
If they're intentionally misgendering another student, much like the kid's mom is doing in this article, then obviously that's something the school needs to address.

Also the fact that this kid jumped straight to saying it's his constitutional right tells me he's almost certainly following his parents' lead here
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Sad_Face
05/14/22 10:59:45 AM
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eston posted...
If they're intentionally misgendering another student, much like the kid's mom is doing in this article, then obviously that's something the school needs to address.

Also the fact that this kid jumped straight to saying it's his constitutional right tells me he's almost certainly following his parents' lead here

This is a classroom incident that should be resolved with the teacher and students (perhaps the principal depending on the direction they want for the school) and doesn't need to be escalated to headline news. What made it headline news is that the school is handling this awfully by charging the kids with sexual harassment.

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Kim_Seong-a
05/14/22 11:01:04 AM
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I immediately went into shock. Im thinking, sexual harassment? Thats rape, thats inappropriate touching, thats incest Rabidoux said. What has my son done?

Parent doesn't know the difference between sexual assault and sexual harassment.

I also feel like it's irresponsible journalism to directly quote a handful of eighth grader's ill-informed opinions on the intersection of free speech and being a decent human being.

Also, if you raised your kids to love everyone equally...you'd just use their preferred pronouns lol.

That all said the kid does need to face some sort of repercussion for being an ass, but given that they're literally eighth graders I would hope any potential punishment isn't severe.


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eston
05/14/22 11:01:12 AM
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FinalFight posted...
On topic: I can see this being chalked up to bullying, but sexual harassment is a stretch. At my job if you dont refer to someone by their appropriate pronouns, you have to go to mandatory sensitivity training. If it continues, depending on the context, youll go up for review and could be suspended or fired.

Its not even connected to sexual harassment cases, which depending on context can lead to immediate firing and the police being called.

I think the school is cheapening public perception of actual harassment cases by grouping this in with that.
I think that's a fair point, however the article doesn't really go into much detail about context. We're basically only getting the story from one of the accused kids mom. It's possible that the misgendering was being done as part of sexually harassing the other student

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eston
05/14/22 11:04:44 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
This is a classroom incident that should be resolved with the teacher and students (perhaps the principal depending on the direction they want for the school) and doesn't need to be escalated to headline news. What made it headline news is that the school is handling this awfully by charging the kids with sexual harassment.
No one is being charged and we don't know how long it was going on, how egregious it was, or whether the teacher attempted to intervene before escalating. The reason it's on the news is because this kid's mom ran to the news.

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ThyCorndog
05/14/22 11:06:21 AM
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Sexual harassment includes using offensive or discriminatory language based on someone's body. Insisting a trans woman is a man for example, is sexual harassment. So is making fun of someone for their body. It's broader than some of you think

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Sad_Face
05/14/22 11:07:27 AM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Also, if you raised your kids to love everyone equally...you'd just use their preferred pronouns lol.
And here's the fundamental issue on why pronouns get so much flack; not everyone believes this statement. Some of us feel that it's imposing your will to force us to use different pronouns. And have you read articles with people changing their pronouns? It convolutes the article for no reason than to satisfy people's ego.

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Spiritlittle
05/14/22 11:07:35 AM
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Turbam posted...
I'm not gonna click on a fox news article


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DespondentDeity
05/14/22 11:08:03 AM
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Im sure the school has further information that prompted them to open a Title IX investigation.

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averagejoel
05/14/22 11:11:31 AM
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a lot of people on this board don't know what an accusation is and I'm not going to click on a fox news link to see if this is an actual accusation

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Kim_Seong-a
05/14/22 11:12:20 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
Some of us feel that it's imposing your will to force us to use different pronouns.

This is both wrong and stupid. If you meet a man named "Michael" and he tells you "please don't call me Mikey", and you go out of your way to call him "Mikey", you're an asshole.

If you meet Sarah L Peterson and she asks to go by her middle name, "Lorraine", and you insist on calling her "Sarah", you're an asshole.

You're free to not associate with these people if that is somehow a horrifying burden on your conscience. No one is saying you have to say anything at all. But if you do say something, and it's the something they specifically said not to call them, you're an asshole.


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HairyQueen
05/14/22 11:14:52 AM
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FinalFight posted...
Its a local fox affiliate. They have nothing to do with Fox national news, and are more than likely Democrats themselves.

Calm down.
Nothing in their post indicated hysterics, anger, heightened excitement, etc.

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BignutzisBack
05/14/22 11:16:20 AM
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HairyQueen posted...
Nothing in their post indicated hysterics, anger, heightened excitement, etc.

Calm down

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HairyQueen
05/14/22 11:18:11 AM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Calm down
Settle down, kid

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BignutzisBack
05/14/22 11:19:32 AM
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HairyQueen posted...
Settle down, kid

Relax, fetus

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HairyQueen
05/14/22 11:20:20 AM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Relax, fetus
Simmer down, Stu

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Unsugarized_Foo
05/14/22 11:20:44 AM
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I just learned about the transgender woman that sued a salon for not waxing her testicles. She lost apparently

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MI4 REAL
05/14/22 11:20:47 AM
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Nothing I could tell you guys would make you smarter, or enlightened.

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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/22 11:25:38 AM
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Sad_Face posted...

And here's the fundamental issue on why pronouns get so much flack; not everyone believes this statement. Some of us feel that it's imposing your will to force us to use different pronouns. And have you read articles with people changing their pronouns? It convolutes the article for no reason than to satisfy people's ego.

Dude youre crying over calling someone by a pronoun.

FinalFight posted...

Its a local fox affiliate. They have nothing to do with Fox national news, and are more than likely Democrats themselves.

Calm down.

This Fox affiliate is owned by Sinclair so its actually worse than Fox News.

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Umbreon
05/14/22 11:26:36 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
And here's the fundamental issue on why pronouns get so much flack; not everyone believes this statement. Some of us feel that it's imposing your will to force us to use different pronouns. And have you read articles with people changing their pronouns? It convolutes the article for no reason than to satisfy people's ego.


This is a topic dangerous to your account. You may not want to defend any hills here.


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averagejoel
05/14/22 11:26:44 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
Some of us feel that it's imposing your will to force us to use different pronouns.
that might be a valid concern if anyone was actually being forced to use different pronouns

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Umbreon
05/14/22 11:28:27 AM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
I just learned about the transgender woman that sued a salon for not waxing her testicles. She lost apparently


I mean... I've never heard of salons doing that. Perhaps places that do a 'Full Brazilian'. Otherwise I don't know what anyone would expect when they expect their genitals waxed. Man or woman.

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AldousIsDead
05/14/22 11:29:54 AM
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Umbreon posted...
This is a topic dangerous to your account. You may not want to defend any hills here.
Let him. I'll not be sad when that account is gone.

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Deutschenlied
05/14/22 11:32:34 AM
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Meanwhile, the GOP is trying to make it illegal in many states to be able to identify as different pronouns.

But tell me what the real problem is
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Sad_Face
05/14/22 12:56:58 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
This is both wrong and stupid. If you meet a man named "Michael" and he tells you "please don't call me Mikey", and you go out of your way to call him "Mikey", you're an a******.

If you meet Sarah L Peterson and she asks to go by her middle name, "Lorraine", and you insist on calling her "Sarah", you're an a******.

You're free to not associate with these people if that is somehow a horrifying burden on your conscience. No one is saying you have to say anything at all. But if you do say something, and it's the something they specifically said not to call them, you're an a******.

This is completely irrelevant to my point and I'm bloody disgusted you've ignored my points to argue a completely different point in attempt to label me as asshole. I'm talking about pronouns, basic words to describe participants of an interaction. This is a standard syntax and this new culture is fighting to convolute communication unnecessarily.

Umbreon posted...
This is a topic dangerous to your account. You may not want to defend any hills here.
I am aware. This will be my last post in this topic.

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thronedfire2
05/14/22 1:00:25 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
This is completely irrelevant to my point and I'm bloody disgusted you've ignored my points to argue a completely different point in attempt to label me as asshole. I'm talking about pronouns, basic words to describe participants of an interaction. This is a standard syntax and this new culture is fighting to convolute communication unnecessarily.

I am aware. This will be my last post in this topic.

you might have a point if they/them didnt get used as a singular pronoun all the time anyway. Its not convoluting anything


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DespondentDeity
05/14/22 1:14:14 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
This is completely irrelevant to my point and I'm bloody disgusted you've ignored my points to argue a completely different point in attempt to label me as asshole. I'm talking about pronouns, basic words to describe participants of an interaction. This is a standard syntax and this new culture is fighting to convolute communication unnecessarily.

You are an asshole and the entire crux of your argument is that youre too stupid to use the correct pronouns.


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TheOnionKnight
05/14/22 1:24:48 PM
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The next time I meet someone who says they shouldn't be "forced" to use the right pronouns for another person, I might just start using the wrong pronouns for them. Or maybe I'll start using "it" for Trump and see how well that goes over.

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