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UnfairRepresent 05/18/22 3:23:02 PM #1:	"I think he's very bad at character, and I think he's extremely conventional, as in non-creative, when it comes to plotting. I know that I'll probably get an incredible amount of hate karma - can you say hate karma? - about this. So I'll just say that I did grow up reading, I told you I grew up without TV, so I read instead. And I like Cormac McCarthy, and the science-fiction writers; I love Frank Herbert, I love Alfred Bester, right now I really like Greg Egan, so I am extremely picky, and I do have a high standard when it comes to writing. I think that if you're ripping off Tom Clancy, it's...Tom Clancy is Tom Clancy, he deserves all the money and fame. The guy has worked hard. Writing is hard work. So to shoot out a bunch of these kinds of things, that we've been talking about, and then claim yourself as a writer when...And you know, there's good work being done in games. I think Portal is really well written, very beautifully written, but Kojima's stuff is...Fine, be a game creator, and know what you're not very good at, and learn to work with people who are. Stanley Kubrick, famously, the one thing he could not do was write. He could do everything else, but he didn't know how to write, so he worked with good writers, and worked with them in a very sort of relentless partnership. He knew his limits. I don't think Kojima's a writer. The fact that he would even be considered one shows how low the standards are in the game industry. Nothing in MGS2 is above a fanfic level. He wouldn't last a morning in a network TV writers' room, and those aren't exactly turning out the Dark Tower series or The Wire." Ironically despite the low pay, quantity of work and difficulties placed upon her, Agness wasn't even credited in MGS2. Though she doesn't mind too much, "No, at the time, like a lot of people, I thought that I would possibly get into the game industry through this. And to all the boys and girls listening, no, that just doesn't happen. But since then one of the things I've done, is I've become a ghost. And I'm not being all metaphysical. I've been a ghost writer as well, so I don't mind [lack of credit] as long as the understanding is there from the beginning." Even worse was the unfair fan criticism she received, as mentioned earlier. "Yeah, it happens. I think part of it is, I think, because I'm a woman. And because I've been outspoken about the fact that I do not think this stuff is well written. So it's a bit of: 'What the hell does that girl know?' kind of thing. And perhaps the criticism about Kojima not knowing a lot of women, perhaps hit home with some of the fans? Obviously these games wouldn't exist, and I wouldn't have had work if there weren't that many fans, but sometimes you just kind of wanna go: 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' So I ask, would there have been less criticism if she were a man, or perhaps worked under a male pseudonym? "I think it's possible. But you know, I have been surprised at the number of assumptions made about me, as a translator, and a writer, over the years. Like because I have a Japanese last name, people have said well, you know, you're clearly not a native speaker of English, so you don't understand this. Or I've been told: well, you're clearly an American, so you don't understand the original Japanese. And of course there's the whole, well, you must not know about weapons, because you're a girl. Well, in fact I was on the rifle team in College too. So yeah, you have to get used to it." https://i.imgur.com/TZ7XZlY.jpg God damn But I mean she's not wrong that Kojima comes across like he doesn't know many women. Or other human beings at all --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965131438] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>"I think he's very bad at character, and I think he's extremely conventional, as in non-creative, when it comes to plotting. I know that I'll probably get an incredible amount of hate karma - can you say hate karma? - about this. So I'll just say that I did grow up reading, I told you I grew up without TV, so I read instead. And I like Cormac McCarthy, and the science-fiction writers; I love Frank Herbert, I love Alfred Bester, right now I really like Greg Egan, so I am extremely picky, and I do have a high standard when it comes to writing. I think that if you're ripping off Tom Clancy, it's...Tom Clancy is Tom Clancy, he deserves all the money and fame. The guy has worked hard. Writing is hard work. So to shoot out a bunch of these kinds of things, that we've been talking about, and then claim yourself as a writer when...And you know, there's good work being done in games. I think Portal is really well written, very beautifully written, but Kojima's stuff is...Fine, be a game creator, and know what you're not very good at, and learn to work with people who are. Stanley Kubrick, famously, the one thing he could not do was write. He could do everything else, but he didn't know how to write, so he worked with good writers, and worked with them in a very sort of relentless partnership. He knew his limits. I don't think Kojima's a writer. The fact that he would even be considered one shows how low the standards are in the game industry. Nothing in MGS2 is above a fanfic level. He wouldn't last a morning in a network TV writers' room, and those aren't exactly turning out the Dark Tower series or The Wire." Ironically despite the low pay, quantity of work and difficulties placed upon her, Agness wasn't even credited in MGS2. Though she doesn't mind too much, "No, at the time, like a lot of people, I thought that I would possibly get into the game industry through this. And to all the boys and girls listening, no, that just doesn't happen. But since then one of the things I've done, is I've become a ghost. And I'm not being all metaphysical. I've been a ghost writer as well, so I don't mind [lack of credit] as long as the understanding is there from the beginning." Even worse was the unfair fan criticism she received, as mentioned earlier. "Yeah, it happens. I think part of it is, I think, because I'm a woman. And because I've been outspoken about the fact that I do not think this stuff is well written. So it's a bit of: 'What the hell does that girl know?' kind of thing. And perhaps the criticism about Kojima not knowing a lot of women, perhaps hit home with some of the fans? Obviously these games wouldn't exist, and I wouldn't have had work if there weren't that many fans, but sometimes you just kind of wanna go: 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' So I ask, would there have been less criticism if she were a man, or perhaps worked under a male pseudonym? "I think it's possible. But you know, I have been surprised at the number of assumptions made about me, as a translator, and a writer, over the years. Like because I have a Japanese last name, people have said well, you know, you're clearly not a native speaker of English, so you don't understand this. Or I've been told: well, you're clearly an American, so you don't understand the original Japanese. And of course there's the whole, well, you must not know about weapons, because you're a girl. Well, in fact I was on the rifle team in College too. So yeah, you have to get used to it." https://i.imgur.com/TZ7XZlY.jpg God damn But I mean she's not wrong that Kojima comes across like he doesn't know many women. Or other human beings at all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 05/18/22 3:23:45 PM #2:	Shes right. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:965131452] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Shes right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroV2 05/18/22 3:24:35 PM #3:	`she's right and I'm pretty sure she was dropped for MGS4 and MGS5 which coincidentally have awful and stupid storylines` --- My cat's name is Lincoln. Say something nice about him!! <cite>ZeroV2 posted [p:965131467] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>she's right and I'm pretty sure she was dropped for MGS4 and MGS5 which coincidentally have awful and stupid storylines </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sauceje 05/18/22 3:24:54 PM #4:	UnfairRepresent posted... I love Frank Herbert Based --- He was born in a coop, raised in a cage, children fear him, critics rage, He's half alive, he's half dead, folks just call him Buckethead <cite>sauceje posted [p:965131475] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I love Frank Herbert</quote>Based </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 05/18/22 3:25:12 PM #5:	He wrote in a strong female character with armpit hair though --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif https://i.imgur.com/2aof3ao.jpg <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:965131484] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>He wrote in a strong female character with armpit hair though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 05/18/22 3:25:53 PM #6:	And did this tweet lol https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/3/6/AAUsi-AADPpo.jpg --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif https://i.imgur.com/2aof3ao.jpg <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:965131502] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>And did this tweet lol https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/3/6/AAUsi-AADPpo.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhlavicLanguage 05/18/22 3:26:07 PM #7:	absolutely based <cite>KhlavicLanguage posted [p:965131508] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>absolutely based </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/18/22 3:30:26 PM #8:	"was" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:965131609] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>"was" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 05/18/22 3:31:51 PM #9:	She's absolutely right. MGS2 accurately predicting the problem with social media / fake news does not make MGS2 well-written overall. Of course the gaming community has become so enveloped in a thick fog of irony / diminished irony since its release that it's hard to tell who's being serious and who isn't when they heap praise on MGS2's writing. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:965131648] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>She's absolutely right. MGS2 accurately predicting the problem with social media / fake news does not make MGS2 well-written overall. Of course the gaming community has become so enveloped in a thick fog of irony / diminished irony since its release that it's hard to tell who's being serious and who isn't when they heap praise on MGS2's writing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Realforce 05/18/22 3:34:10 PM #10:	She sounds bitter. --- PC Specs: 12900K, G.Skill Trident Z5 32GB DDR5 5600MHz CL36, EVGA 3090 Kingpin Hybrid, AX1600i, MSI Z690 Carbon, 2XCorsair MP600 2TB NVMe, 2TB Samsung 980 Pro <cite>Realforce posted [p:965131704] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>She sounds bitter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 05/18/22 3:34:56 PM #11:	The only non cringe writing comes from literature, so she's not wrong --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:965131726] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>The only non cringe writing comes from literature, so she's not wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Billyionaire 05/18/22 3:36:04 PM #12:	MGS2 was as meta as video games got before the indie genre took off. It's quite good. --- $ex <cite>Billyionaire posted [p:965131751] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>MGS2 was as meta as video games got before the indie genre took off. It's quite good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkprince35 05/18/22 3:36:23 PM #13:	Nah fuck that lol. She tripping and sounds bitter cuz shes a ghost writer <cite>Darkprince35 posted [p:965131761] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Nah fuck that lol. She tripping and sounds bitter cuz shes a ghost writer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kuwab0 05/18/22 3:39:24 PM #14:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GTgXAt9OI --- http://i.imgur.com/QfpP05s.png http://i.imgur.com/vdnZ1o6.png http://i.imgur.com/zTgf822.png <cite>kuwab0 posted [p:965131825] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GTgXAt9OI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackOmnimon 05/18/22 3:39:35 PM #15:	She's not wrong, it's pretty difficult for games to convey as much worldbuilding and plot as books and novels, even the best games don't hold a candle to the best novels. MGS has some good concepts, but is very cheesy, and doesn't make sense once you think about it too hard. --- . <cite>BlackOmnimon posted [p:965131829] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>She's not wrong, it's pretty difficult for games to convey as much worldbuilding and plot as books and novels, even the best games don't hold a candle to the best novels. MGS has some good concepts, but is very cheesy, and doesn't make sense once you think about it too hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 05/18/22 3:40:22 PM #16:	Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965131842] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 05/18/22 3:41:45 PM #17:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions. Walter Kaufmann? --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:965131874] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions.</quote>Walter Kaufmann? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 05/18/22 3:41:48 PM #18:	it's MGS2. i thought we all knew the writing was horrid in that game. i'd love to know what she thinks about 1 and 3 though. --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:965131877] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>it's MGS2. i thought we all knew the writing was horrid in that game. i'd love to know what she thinks about 1 and 3 though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 05/18/22 3:41:51 PM #19:	BlackOmnimon posted... She's not wrong, it's pretty difficult for games to convey as much worldbuilding and plot as books and novels, even the best games don't hold a candle to the best novels. MGS has some good concepts, but is very cheesy, and doesn't make sense once you think about it too hard. Fun fact: MGS2 has two books in the extras that detail the events of MGS1. I think they're both triple digit pages too >_> --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif https://i.imgur.com/2aof3ao.jpg <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:965131880] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>BlackOmnimon posted... </cite> <quote>She's not wrong, it's pretty difficult for games to convey as much worldbuilding and plot as books and novels, even the best games don't hold a candle to the best novels. MGS has some good concepts, but is very cheesy, and doesn't make sense once you think about it too hard.</quote>Fun fact: MGS2 has two books in the extras that detail the events of MGS1. I think they're both triple digit pages too >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Seb 05/18/22 3:43:07 PM #20:	I'm fine with her having that opinion, but just saying "Kojima is a bad writer" and not giving examples or context is dumb. <cite>Solid_Seb posted [p:965131912] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>I'm fine with her having that opinion, but just saying "Kojima is a bad writer" and not giving examples or context is dumb. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 05/18/22 3:43:52 PM #21:	Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece. <cite>Crescente posted [p:965131931] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/18/22 3:52:57 PM #22:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions. I cared Solid_Seb posted... I'm fine with her having that opinion, but just saying "Kojima is a bad writer" and not giving examples or context is dumb. To be fair she kind of did but the full interview is incredibly long and largely (as you might expect) her talking about the process of translating the game. Her dunking on Kojima is pretty much just wrapping up the interview --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965132121] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions.</quote>I cared Solid_Seb posted... </cite> <quote>I'm fine with her having that opinion, but just saying "Kojima is a bad writer" and not giving examples or context is dumb.</quote>To be fair she kind of did but the full interview is incredibly long and largely (as you might expect) her talking about the process of translating the game. Her dunking on Kojima is pretty much just wrapping up the interview </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonAngel 05/18/22 3:54:33 PM #23:	TheVipaGTS posted... Shes right. --- https://i.imgur.com/5AWjPWT.png <cite>CrimsonAngel posted [p:965132151] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Shes right.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AwesomeFawful 05/18/22 3:56:59 PM #24:	TheVipaGTS posted... Shes right. --- "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and it's more socialism the more stuff it does, and when it does a real lot of stuff, that's communism!" <cite>AwesomeFawful posted [p:965132196] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Shes right.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 05/18/22 3:58:05 PM #25:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions. lol, a translators opinion largely determines how well something is translated. They have to interpret the meaning and then decide how to convey it in another language. im pretty sure aside from knowing the language the second most important part of translating is the persons opinion and understanding of something. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:965132212] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being a translator and thinking people care about your opinions.</quote> lol, a translators opinion largely determines how well something is translated. They have to interpret the meaning and then decide how to convey it in another language. im pretty sure aside from knowing the language the second most important part of translating is the persons opinion and understanding of something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/18/22 4:00:14 PM #26:	Although this does mean she is also responsible for the atrocious "Not nerd, node." joke That was really the best she could come up with for a joke that was lost in translation? Compare to Red Dwarf's "I regret to inform you that your father is dad." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965132259] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Although this does mean she is also responsible for the atrocious "Not nerd, node." joke That was really the best she could come up with for a joke that was lost in translation? Compare to Red Dwarf's "I regret to inform you that your father is dad." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 05/18/22 4:01:13 PM #27:	UnfairRepresent posted... Although this does mean she is also responsible for the atrocious "Not nerd, node." joke What's the story behind that? That one line felt so random and out of place --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif https://i.imgur.com/2aof3ao.jpg <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:965132278] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Although this does mean she is also responsible for the atrocious "Not nerd, node." joke</quote>What's the story behind that? That one line felt so random and out of place </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deutschenlied 05/18/22 4:01:49 PM #28:	MGS2 is better written than a lot of TV shows, though <cite>Deutschenlied posted [p:965132285] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>MGS2 is better written than a lot of TV shows, though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 05/18/22 4:06:31 PM #29:	MGS2 is awesome. What'd she write? MGS2? Awkward. --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:965132391] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>MGS2 is awesome. What'd she write? MGS2? Awkward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/18/22 4:07:31 PM #30:	NeonOctopus posted... What's the story behind that? That one line felt so random and out of place I don't know for sure but my guess is in Japan there was a pun based on two Japanese words/phrases sounding similar . Which doesn't translate into English. "Your father is dad" makes no sense as a joke outside of English Same as "I love Mark Hunt's brother Mike?" A lot of the time when you hear a "joke" in a translated work, you're hearing an entirely different joke. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965132416] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>NeonOctopus posted... </cite> <quote>What's the story behind that? That one line felt so random and out of place</quote>I don't know for sure but my guess is in Japan there was a pun based on two Japanese words/phrases sounding similar . Which doesn't translate into English. "Your father is dad" makes no sense as a joke outside of English Same as "I love Mark Hunt's brother Mike?" A lot of the time when you hear a "joke" in a translated work, you're hearing an entirely different joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MegaManXYZ123 05/18/22 4:09:22 PM #31:	She's correct, I still enjoy the story and lore though --- Desktop: Ryzen 7 5800X / MSI RTX 3070 Ti - Laptop: Apple MBP 16" 2019 i7 AMD 5500M - Phone: Galaxy Fold 3 Phantom Green Now Playing: Elden Ring /// 462 <cite>MegaManXYZ123 posted [p:965132454] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>She's correct, I still enjoy the story and lore though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Powdered_Toast 05/18/22 4:12:11 PM #32:	Realforce posted... She sounds bitter. A lot of translators seem incredibly bitter. --- Want some rye? 'Course ya do! <cite>Powdered_Toast posted [p:965132513] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Realforce posted... </cite> <quote>She sounds bitter.</quote>A lot of translators seem incredibly bitter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AssassinFox 05/18/22 4:14:40 PM #33:	Crescente posted... Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece. <cite>AssassinFox posted [p:965132561] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Crescente posted... </cite> <quote>Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 05/18/22 4:18:04 PM #35:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This is true. Remember a few months ago when that one game was going to have like an "accurate" translation as well as a localized option? The translators flipped their shit about how "their work" was being trampled on. Like bro, just translate shit. Nobody cares about your personal flavor. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965132652] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This is true. Remember a few months ago when that one game was going to have like an "accurate" translation as well as a localized option? The translators flipped their shit about how "their work" was being trampled on. Like bro, just translate shit. Nobody cares about your personal flavor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/18/22 4:21:57 PM #36:	masterpug53 posted... She's absolutely right. MGS2 accurately predicting the problem with social media / fake news does not make MGS2 well-written overall. Of course the gaming community has become so enveloped in a thick fog of irony / diminished irony since its release that it's hard to tell who's being serious and who isn't when they heap praise on MGS2's writing. MGS2 wasn't considered well written due to predicting shit lol. It was considered well written for the takes that it had on individuality/personal freedom and what it means to pass on your way of living, your memories, and who you are into the future. Among other things, of course. I think the fact that she mocks Kojima's naming schemes yet talks about Cormac's work like it's great when he uses names such as 'The Tinker', like...seriously? Sounds like a bitter woman tbh. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:965132743] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite> <quote>She's absolutely right. MGS2 accurately predicting the problem with social media / fake news does not make MGS2 well-written overall. Of course the gaming community has become so enveloped in a thick fog of irony / diminished irony since its release that it's hard to tell who's being serious and who isn't when they heap praise on MGS2's writing.</quote>MGS2 wasn't considered well written due to predicting shit lol. It was considered well written for the takes that it had on individuality/personal freedom and what it means to pass on your way of living, your memories, and who you are into the future. Among other things, of course. I think the fact that she mocks Kojima's naming schemes yet talks about Cormac's work like it's great when he uses names such as 'The Tinker', like...seriously? Sounds like a bitter woman tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 05/18/22 4:24:10 PM #37:	'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:965132802] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote> 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shotgunnova 05/18/22 4:26:15 PM #39:	Just because it has a roller-skating bomber doesn't mean it's fanfic-tier writing!!!! --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame <cite>Shotgunnova posted [p:965132847] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Just because it has a roller-skating bomber doesn't mean it's fanfic-tier writing!!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeibuKaihatsu 05/18/22 4:26:16 PM #40:	JHBPhD posted... Game translators are some of the most bitter and masturbatory people I've ever seen in my life. The only reason they get away with acting like this is because the majority still don't view games as art. You wouldn't get this shit where people pat themselves on the back for "fixing" a classic French movie by removing and rewriting parts of it and shoving memes in every third line. --- https://youtu.be/Dt0CpG6CjZ4 <cite>SeibuKaihatsu posted [p:965132848] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>JHBPhD posted...</cite> <quote>Game translators are some of the most bitter and masturbatory people I've ever seen in my life. The only reason they get away with acting like this is because the majority still don't view games as art. You wouldn't get this shit where people pat themselves on the back for "fixing" a classic French movie by removing and rewriting parts of it and shoving memes in every third line. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 05/18/22 4:28:25 PM #41:	Splinter Cell tho Imagine criticizing Kojima for doing Tom Clancy... With or without Splinter Cell <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965132894] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Splinter Cell tho Imagine criticizing Kojima for doing Tom Clancy... With or without Splinter Cell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bknight 05/18/22 4:30:01 PM #42:	Respect Kojima. <cite>bknight posted [p:965132933] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Respect Kojima. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheiky-Baby 05/18/22 4:31:07 PM #43:	Policenauts was a masterpiece --- Once you lose your integrity, everything comes easy afterwards. <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:965132954] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Policenauts was a masterpiece </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 05/18/22 4:32:21 PM #44:	Put some respect on His name <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:965132975] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Put some respect on His name </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/18/22 4:32:38 PM #45:	Seaman_Prime posted... 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol Seaman_Prime posted... 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol She doesn't even know about Hot Coldman, Dr Strangelove and Black Color --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965132984] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Seaman_Prime posted... </cite> <quote> 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol</quote> Seaman_Prime posted... </cite> <quote> 'It's just a game! I mean it's got characters named Liquid and Solid, go outside for a second!'' lol</quote>She doesn't even know about Hot Coldman, Dr Strangelove and Black Color </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maninstagnate 05/18/22 4:35:31 PM #46:	Crescente posted... Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece. LOL where do you Kojima fans come from? Everyone hated MGS2 back in the day. This Penny Arcade comic from that time sums up what everybody thought. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/4/AAPQRHAADPqO.jpg Also the average Women now a days definitely read and write more than the average Male. It's stupid to discredited their talents if what she says thats happening is true. <cite>Maninstagnate posted [p:965133056] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Crescente posted... </cite> <quote>Who cares what this chick thinks. MGS2 was a masterpiece.</quote>LOL where do you Kojima fans come from? Everyone hated MGS2 back in the day. This Penny Arcade comic from that time sums up what everybody thought. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/4/AAPQRHAADPqO.jpg Also the average Women now a days definitely read and write more than the average Male. It's stupid to discredited their talents if what she says thats happening is true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DipDipDiver 05/18/22 4:35:42 PM #47:	I've been saying this about Kojima for years lol <cite>DipDipDiver posted [p:965133062] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>I've been saying this about Kojima for years lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 05/18/22 4:36:00 PM #48:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't know for sure but my guess is in Japan there was a pun based on two Japanese words/phrases sounding similar . Which doesn't translate into English. You made me curious about what the original joke would be. It turns out, no, that is the original joke lol. If anything, it's even more awkward in Japanese because the script had to explain what a nerd was. Finally having an inside source on the matter, I ask about the Nerd/Node piece of dialogue in the game. Looking over the original Japanese file shows that 'nerd' was written in Romaji (English letters), while above it, in smaller Katakana-based Furigana (which is usually written in Hiragana and placed above difficult to pronounce Kanji), was the phonetic Japanese word for nerd, and then besides this in brackets were the Japanese equivalents, including the word 'otaku'. Even as a non-native Japanese speaker, the original set-up for this one line seemed awkward. Agness explained, "Regarding node vs. nerd, I do not remember that particularly. However, I do remember a general pattern of attempts to kick it American-style in the original. I felt it was essentially juvenile name-dropping, whether it was 'hey, I speak English, look!' puns like this one, or knowing references to mushers and the NSA. The saddest joke is that Japanese nationals who actually know about this stuff - SDF officers, war journalists, sketchy wanderers - would have been amazing sources for an actual writer." --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:965133071] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know for sure but my guess is in Japan there was a pun based on two Japanese words/phrases sounding similar . Which doesn't translate into English.</quote>You made me curious about what the original joke would be. It turns out, no, that is the original joke lol. If anything, it's even more awkward in Japanese because the script had to explain what a nerd was. <quote>Finally having an inside source on the matter, I ask about the Nerd/Node piece of dialogue in the game. Looking over the original Japanese file shows that 'nerd' was written in Romaji (English letters), while above it, in smaller Katakana-based Furigana (which is usually written in Hiragana and placed above difficult to pronounce Kanji), was the phonetic Japanese word for nerd, and then besides this in brackets were the Japanese equivalents, including the word 'otaku'. Even as a non-native Japanese speaker, the original set-up for this one line seemed awkward. Agness explained, "Regarding node vs. nerd, I do not remember that particularly. However, I do remember a general pattern of attempts to kick it American-style in the original. I felt it was essentially juvenile name-dropping, whether it was 'hey, I speak English, look!' puns like this one, or knowing references to mushers and the NSA. The saddest joke is that Japanese nationals who actually know about this stuff - SDF officers, war journalists, sketchy wanderers - would have been amazing sources for an actual writer."</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 05/18/22 4:42:26 PM #49:	Kojima is a fucking hack when it comes to the story. He knows how to design a game for fun gameplay though. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:965133229] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Kojima is a fucking hack when it comes to the story. He knows how to design a game for fun gameplay though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/18/22 4:44:12 PM #50:	Maninstagnate posted... LOL where do you Kojima fans come from? Everyone hated MGS2 back in the day. This Penny Arcade comic from that time sums up what everybody thought. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/4/AAPQRHAADPqO.jpg Also the average Women now a days definitely read and write more than the average Male. It's stupid to discredited their talents if what she says thats happening is true. I don't think she's gonna see your post, bro. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:965133276] in TIL the ch... [t:80025674]...</cite> <quote>Maninstagnate posted... </cite> <quote>LOL where do you Kojima fans come from? Everyone hated MGS2 back in the day. This Penny Arcade comic from that time sums up what everybody thought. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/4/AAPQRHAADPqO.jpg Also the average Women now a days definitely read and write more than the average Male. It's stupid to discredited their talents if what she says thats happening is true.</quote>I don't think she's gonna see your post, bro. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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