Poll of the Day > Don't name a video game after the main character if you plan on making a sequel

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Zareth 05/20/22 10:02:56 PM #1:	And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:965191315] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/20/22 10:04:53 PM #2:	Witcher 4: Legend of Geralt's Gold --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:965191343] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Witcher 4: Legend of Geralt's Gold </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hypnox 05/20/22 11:53:45 PM #3:	Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ajm6lGqf1qekkfi.gif <cite>hypnox posted [p:965193339] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Locke90 05/21/22 12:05:56 AM #4:	Zareth posted... And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc. I have to agree with this ive never understood why they make sequels that dont feature the main character of the original... even if they are just background characters in the sequel. --- Friend code 3222-6836-6888 <cite>Locke90 posted [p:965193567] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc.</quote>I have to agree with this ive never understood why they make sequels that dont feature the main character of the original... even if they are just background characters in the sequel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CinderLock 05/21/22 12:21:30 AM #5:	Yoko Taro has stated multiple times the characters name isn't Nier --- Kathy Bates inspires fear in the soul, hence the validity of humanity. - Wolfy42 <cite>CinderLock posted [p:965193852] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Yoko Taro has stated multiple times the characters name isn't Nier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Count_Drachma 05/21/22 12:49:01 AM #6:	hypnox posted... Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. I mean, I'm not sure how true that is anymore. hypnox posted... Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever. And the first one also came out at a time when sequels weren't a big thing yet. In general, that's a special case all around. Nowadays, you're more likely to see games which intended to have sequels but didn't, often leaving a partial cliffhanger. --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH <cite>Count_Drachma posted [p:965194203] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>hypnox posted... </cite> <quote>Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel.</quote> I mean, I'm not sure how true that is anymore. hypnox posted... </cite> <quote>Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever.</quote> And the first one also came out at a time when sequels weren't a big thing yet. In general, that's a special case all around. Nowadays, you're more likely to see games which intended to have sequels but didn't, often leaving a partial cliffhanger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 05/21/22 1:58:15 AM #7:	Zareth posted... And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc. Nier isn't the character's name. Lokarin posted... Witcher 4: Legend of Geralt's Gold At least with the Witcher, it's technically an accurate title as long as there's at least one Witcher in it. Like with the implication that Witcher 4 might be about Ciri. Or a Witcher from one of the other schools (maybe even a player created one). Everyone will still be disappointed it isn't Geralt, though. Regardless of what it's called. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:965194921] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zareth posted...</cite> <quote>And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc.</quote> Nier isn't the character's name. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Witcher 4: Legend of Geralt's Gold</quote> At least with the Witcher, it's technically an accurate title as long as there's at least one Witcher in it. Like with the implication that Witcher 4 might be about Ciri. Or a Witcher from one of the other schools (maybe even a player created one). Everyone will still be disappointed it isn't Geralt, though. Regardless of what it's called.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 05/21/22 2:16:52 AM #8:	Count_Drachma posted... And the first one also came out at a time when sequels weren't a big thing yet. In general, that's a special case all around. Nowadays, you're more likely to see games which intended to have sequels but didn't, often leaving a partial cliffhanger. ...ehh. By the time Final Fantasy came out, there'd already been a Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest sequel, Ultima was up to about four games, and Wizardry had three. And if you go beyond just RPGs, there's series like Zork (which had about four games, and three spin-offs), two Pitfall games, King's Quest (three games), Legend of Zelda (two games), and two Super Mario Bros games. Not to mention that Super Mario Bros itself was a sequel to Mario Bros, which was arguably a pseudo-sequel to Donkey Kong (which had about four games of its own at that point). Sequels were definitely a thing even in the 80s. Not in the sense that companies would plan multi-part series in advance (but honestly, that's a rare thing even now), but there was definitely a strong sense that if a game did well, a sequel was almost inevitable. So it's not like it was a crazy thing to think that Final Fantasy could get a sequel - it was more that Square assumed it was going to be the last game they ever made because they were going to go bankrupt. NO ONE expected it to be the success it was. The only real difference between then and now is something you touched on. Namely, back then they used to make games (and movies) as self-contained entries, with sequels generally just being a second story told after the first. Whereas now the almost pathological desire to milk every franchise for everything it's worth means they start building sequel hooks right into the plot from the beginning. And then they often fail because they forget that they need to make the first story something people actually care about. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:965195088] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote><cite>Count_Drachma posted...</cite> <quote>And the first one also came out at a time when sequels weren't a big thing yet. In general, that's a special case all around. Nowadays, you're more likely to see games which intended to have sequels but didn't, often leaving a partial cliffhanger. </quote> ...ehh. By the time Final Fantasy came out, there'd already been a Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest sequel, Ultima was up to about four games, and Wizardry had three. And if you go beyond just RPGs, there's series like Zork (which had about four games, and three spin-offs), two Pitfall games, King's Quest (three games), Legend of Zelda (two games), and two Super Mario Bros games. Not to mention that Super Mario Bros itself was a sequel to Mario Bros, which was arguably a pseudo-sequel to Donkey Kong (which had about four games of its own at that point). Sequels were definitely a thing even in the 80s. Not in the sense that companies would plan multi-part series in advance (but honestly, that's a rare thing even now), but there was definitely a strong sense that if a game did well, a sequel was almost inevitable. So it's not like it was a crazy thing to think that Final Fantasy could get a sequel - it was more that Square assumed it was going to be the last game they ever made because they were going to go bankrupt. NO ONE expected it to be the success it was. The only real difference between then and now is something you touched on. Namely, back then they used to make games (and movies) as self-contained entries, with sequels generally just being a second story told after the first. Whereas now the almost pathological desire to milk every franchise for everything it's worth means they start building sequel hooks right into the plot from the beginning. And then they often fail because they forget that they need to make the first story something people actually care about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Count_Drachma 05/21/22 2:24:53 AM #9:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Sequels were definitely a thing even in the 80s. Count_Drachma posted... when sequels weren't a big thing yet. --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH <cite>Count_Drachma posted [p:965195164] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Sequels were definitely a thing even in the 80s.</quote> Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>when sequels weren't a big thing yet.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/21/22 5:22:51 AM #10:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Nier isn't the character's name. At least with the Witcher, it's technically an accurate title as long as there's at least one Witcher in it. Like with the implication that Witcher 4 might be about Ciri. Or a Witcher from one of the other schools (maybe even a player created one). Everyone will still be disappointed it isn't Geralt, though. Regardless of what it's called. It's a Time of Sequels --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:965196468] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Nier isn't the character's name. At least with the Witcher, it's technically an accurate title as long as there's at least one Witcher in it. Like with the implication that Witcher 4 might be about Ciri. Or a Witcher from one of the other schools (maybe even a player created one). Everyone will still be disappointed it isn't Geralt, though. Regardless of what it's called.</quote> It's a Time of Sequels </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 05/21/22 7:18:23 AM #11:	Zareth posted... And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc. Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:965197301] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>And they're not in it. Looking at you, Nier, Alundra, etc.</quote> Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 05/21/22 7:19:09 AM #12:	hypnox posted... Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever. That is just a rumor. The real reason is they were looking to have an alliterative name with "Fantasy" in it, and Fighting Fantasy was already trademarked, so they went with the next best thing. Similar to how Dragon Quest got changed to Dragon Warrior in the US because Dragon Quest was already used by another RPG here (then subsequently it got changed back when they got the rights to the name in the US). --- After 16 years, I have decided my signature will NOT be about my job! But I still don't know what to put here so...yea... <cite>Dikitain posted [p:965197305] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>hypnox posted... </cite> <quote>Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever.</quote>That is just a rumor. The real reason is they were looking to have an alliterative name with "Fantasy" in it, and Fighting Fantasy was already trademarked, so they went with the next best thing. Similar to how Dragon Quest got changed to Dragon Warrior in the US because Dragon Quest was already used by another RPG here (then subsequently it got changed back when they got the rights to the name in the US). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 05/21/22 11:17:39 AM #13:	Why the heck do they call it Legend of Zelda when the main character is Link and there's almost nothing about Zelda. --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:965200259] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Why the heck do they call it Legend of Zelda when the main character is Link and there's almost nothing about Zelda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 05/21/22 2:29:50 PM #14:	Count_Drachma posted... when sequels weren't a big thing yet. My point is that they were a big thing even then. And there were plenty of existing examples to provide a precedent to anyone making a game. It's easy to argue that sequels are a bigger thing now (especially with franchises like 2k or CoD releasing every year), but they were still big then as well. Even going back further into the Atari/Coleco/Intellivision era you've got games like Pac-Man and Defender getting sequels in arcades. By the NES era the idea of sequels was already pretty well entrenched. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:965203580] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote><cite>Count_Drachma posted...</cite> <quote>when sequels weren't a big thing yet.</quote> My point is that they were a big thing even then. And there were plenty of existing examples to provide a precedent to anyone making a game. It's easy to argue that sequels are a bigger thing now (especially with franchises like 2k or CoD releasing every year), but they were still big then as well. Even going back further into the Atari/Coleco/Intellivision era you've got games like Pac-Man and Defender getting sequels in arcades. By the NES era the idea of sequels was already pretty well entrenched.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 05/21/22 2:32:34 PM #15:	Sufferedphoneix posted... Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games. Snake is though. Metal Gear Snakes. --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965203645] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite> <quote>Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games.</quote> Snake is though. Metal Gear Snakes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01 05/21/22 2:56:34 PM #16:	Sufferedphoneix posted... Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games. To be fair all the protagonists look like Solid because they all are Big Boss clones. Well, Jack aside, but no one liked that guy anyways. Resident Evil always felt a bit weird. Yeah, the first game has you fighting in a residence, but most of the time you are fighting evil in police stations, cities, tankers you name it. Not typical places of residence. Although, they will throw a weird mansion out of nowhere sometimes. Mansion in my underground Antarctic base? Yeah, I got that. --- <('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')> Splendiferous <cite>DragonClaw01 posted [p:965204165] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite> <quote>Metal gear solid. Solid isn't in like half the games.</quote>To be fair all the protagonists look like Solid because they all are Big Boss clones. Well, Jack aside, but no one liked that guy anyways. Resident Evil always felt a bit weird. Yeah, the first game has you fighting in a residence, but most of the time you are fighting evil in police stations, cities, tankers you name it. Not typical places of residence. Although, they will throw a weird mansion out of nowhere sometimes. Mansion in my underground Antarctic base? Yeah, I got that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 05/21/22 3:15:53 PM #17:	DragonClaw01 posted... Resident Evil always felt a bit weird. Yeah, the first game has you fighting in a residence, but most of the time you are fighting evil in police stations, cities, tankers you name it. Not typical places of residence. Although, they will throw a weird mansion out of nowhere sometimes. Mansion in my underground Antarctic base? Yeah, I got that. That's really only true in the translation. The original Japanese title is Biohazard, and that pretty much applies across the board. Though I still prefer the title the US Congress accidentally called it during the video game violence hearings in the 90s - "The Resident of Evil Creek". --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:965204571] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonClaw01 posted...</cite> <quote>Resident Evil always felt a bit weird. Yeah, the first game has you fighting in a residence, but most of the time you are fighting evil in police stations, cities, tankers you name it. Not typical places of residence. Although, they will throw a weird mansion out of nowhere sometimes. Mansion in my underground Antarctic base? Yeah, I got that.</quote> That's really only true in the translation. The original Japanese title is Biohazard, and that pretty much applies across the board. Though I still prefer the title the US Congress accidentally called it during the video game violence hearings in the 90s - "The Resident of Evil Creek".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joemodda 05/21/22 4:24:08 PM #18:	The Metroid and Zelda series are named after the main character and they are some of the most famous titles in history so your point is moot --- It's not genocide... it's pesticide... <cite>joemodda posted [p:965205800] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>The Metroid and Zelda series are named after the main character and they are some of the most famous titles in history so your point is moot </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 05/21/22 8:08:16 PM #19:	Which Final Fantasy is the last one? --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:965210344] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Which Final Fantasy is the last one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/22/22 6:05:42 AM #20:	captpackrat posted... Which Final Fantasy is the last one? Final Fantasy CLXX. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:965218233] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>captpackrat posted...</cite> <quote>Which Final Fantasy is the last one? </quote> Final Fantasy CLXX.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 05/22/22 10:38:56 AM #21:	Marioland is a interesting case in this. They went one game where Mario wasn't the main character then changed the series name to warioland after that. Underrated series btw. Warioware is good but I don't see why we can't have both --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:965220928] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Marioland is a interesting case in this. They went one game where Mario wasn't the main character then changed the series name to warioland after that. Underrated series btw. Warioware is good but I don't see why we can't have both </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Accrovideogames 05/22/22 11:04:22 AM #22:	hypnox posted... Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever. That's an urban legend. Nothing is true in what you said. They picked the word Final because they needed an alliteration with Fantasy and it was the best sounding one from the list they had. Please stop spreading this misinformation. Dikitain posted... That is just a rumor. The real reason is they were looking to have an alliterative name with "Fantasy" in it, and Fighting Fantasy was already trademarked, so they went with the next best thing. Correction: urban legend, not rumor. --- I'm French speaking. 32/Male/Quebec <cite>Accrovideogames posted [p:965221327] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>hypnox posted... </cite> <quote>Most games aren't planned to be part of a sequel. Hell the best example is Final Fantasy. That was literally believed to be their last game ever.</quote>That's an urban legend. Nothing is true in what you said. They picked the word Final because they needed an alliteration with Fantasy and it was the best sounding one from the list they had. Please stop spreading this misinformation. Dikitain posted... </cite> <quote>That is just a rumor. The real reason is they were looking to have an alliterative name with "Fantasy" in it, and Fighting Fantasy was already trademarked, so they went with the next best thing.</quote>Correction: urban legend, not rumor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 05/22/22 11:16:00 AM #23:	it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry. --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965221541] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/22/22 11:29:40 AM #24:	Adam_Savage posted... it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry. Apparently it was both. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:965221763] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted...</cite> <quote>it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry.</quote> Apparently it was both.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Count_Drachma 05/22/22 11:26:03 PM #25:	Adam_Savage posted... it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry. Feels like more than slight. --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH <cite>Count_Drachma posted [p:965235331] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>it's not so much false as it is just a slight alteration of the truth if final fantasy 1 didn't sell, then hironobu sakaguchi was going to leave the industry.</quote> Feels like more than slight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 05/23/22 1:12:47 AM #26:	Revelation34 posted... Apparently it was both. This. He's explicitly said in interviews that he changed it to Final because it reflected his own feelings at the time. In that he was going to quit game dev and go back to school if it failed. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:965236821] in Don't name... [t:80028447]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently it was both.</quote> This. He's explicitly said in interviews that he changed it to Final because it reflected his own feelings at the time. In that he was going to quit game dev and go back to school if it failed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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