Current Events > Man acquitted of mistaken-gender-identity murder of Tinder date

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Well this was nice to see.

Literally getting away with murder.

Can someone get thiss tory straight for me,

so the american football player was in agreement to date the what he thought was a transwoman? They have sex? And later the 'transwoman' revealed hes actually a gay guy pretending to be a transwoman?

Cobra1010 posted...

Can someone get thiss tory straight for me,

so the american football player was in agreement to date the what he thought was a transwoman? They have sex? And later the 'transwoman' revealed hes actually a gay guy pretending to be a transwoman?

No.

The football consented to receive oral sex from who he believed to be a woman named Angie. The encounter happens in the home of the person he believed was a woman named Angie, afterwards they part ways. After finding out through this persons reputation that they may be a cisgender man pretending to be a woman, the football player went back to their house and after confirming their sex by groping the person, beat them to death.

Yeah, from what I can tell based on the limited information we have is that apparently this person was known to invite young men to the house, turn off all the lights and then perform oral. It doesn't seem very clear that the victim was actually transgender; more like the victim was cisgender and posing as his sister online.

DarkRoast posted...

The more I think about it - this case does seem kinda questionable.

So the 40-year-old victim basically lied online to lure a 19 year old guy to their house. I can see situations where the 19 year old realizes he's been lied to, is in a potentially dangerous older stranger's house and isn't sure what's going to happen. It's easy to paint this story as a sort of "gay/trans panic" but the more you read it, the more it sounds like the victim actually could have been a predator. Not that we have enough information, of course.

The vicitm was a well known sex predator in the area, he preyed on teenaged boys. He was gay according to his family, but he dressed as, and catfished online as a blonde woman to lure the boys to him. He also was associated with a sketchy bar, even appeared on the local news promting a food drive for it. He worked there, and apparrently locally portrayed himself as the owner to strangers(he wasn't). He was known to try and drug young men he fancied and eventually was fired from the bar.

DarkRoast posted...

Yeah, from what I can tell based on the limited information we have is that apparently this person was known to invite young men to the house, turn off all the lights and then perform oral. It doesn't seem very clear that the victim was actually transgender; more like the victim was cisgender and posing as his sister online.

He was NOT transgender. He was a gay man, who just happened to like deceiving teenagers into sex with him, by pretending to be a woman online. He would have them meet him, keep his place dark and wear a wig and a hoodie. He would tthen either give them oral sex, or have them give him anal sex. He was also apparently accused(locally) of drugging guys at a bar he worked at.

This is about all I can gather from looking online about it. Either way, there is an element of premeditation, at LEAST in the confrontation. The kid went back to confirm his suspicions after being told about this guy. And clearly, he beat this guy to death way longer than the 6 or so punches and one kick. Medically, this guy's face was basically caved in.

If that's true that's pretty fucked up

It may be true, but the only source for the allegations seems to be second hand accounts from ostensible locals surrounding a Reddit thread that was very much in the spirit of justifying the vigilante murder. Im not sure if it was you Fony or someone else but Im pretty certain people posting those allegations as facts and linking the Reddit thread were suspended/purged when this story first broke.

If you are a victim of a crime, including rape by deception, coercion, force, or any other means, the appropriate course of action is to press charges, not to premeditate and commit a crime of a greater magnitude. The verdict in this case is very much Virginia displaying its willingness to vilify and discard LGBTQIA+ persons and their rights.

The murder victim should have been imprisoned, not had their head crushed like a fucking episode of Game of Thrones or some Lord of the Flies shit

1337eye4n00bguy posted...

It may be true, but the only source for the allegations seems to be second hand accounts from ostensible locals surrounding a Reddit thread that was very much in the spirit of justifying the vigilante murder. Im not sure if it was you Fony or someone else but Im pretty certain people posting those allegations as facts and linking the Reddit thread were suspended/purged when this story first broke.

If you are a victim of a crime, including rape by deception, coercion, force, or any other means, the appropriate course of action is to press charges, not to premeditate and commit a crime of a greater magnitude. The verdict in this case is very much Virginia displaying its willingness to vilify and discard LGBTQIA+ persons and their rights.

The murder victim should have been imprisoned, not had their head crushed like a fucking episode of Game of Thrones or some Lord of the Flies shit

If these allegations are true, then sexual predators deserve to have their skull bashed in, regardless of being straight or not.

Yikes at the last two posts.

CyricZ posted...

Wow you really want to kill people don't you.

I'm all for rapists to get what's coming to them.

This is just all around a gross situation.

Common sense prevailed.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I'm all for rapists to get what's coming to them.

So similarly, if a woman lies to get a man in bed, he's justified in returning a month later to confront and murder her?

Probably best not to claim this sexual predator as part of your community.

He wasnt even trans, he was just posing as random woman in order to lure young black men to his place and give them blowjobs in the dark.

Most transpeople are honest folks who are upfront about their sex-change and also because they dont want to get murdered. Theyre not going about committing Rape By Deception.

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"I'm rich and husband hunting." "I'm on the pill." "I'm a man."

The specific lie is hardly relevant. Whether or not you can answer the question is.

TheOtherMike posted...

So similarly, if a woman lies to get a man in bed, he's justified in returning a month later to confront and murder her?

Would that man have otherwise avoided sleeping with her if she wasn't being purposely deceptive or manipulative? Then sure.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Would that man have otherwise avoided sleeping with her if she wasn't being purposely deceptive or manipulative? Then sure.

Good to know not to take you seriously then. Thanks for your honesty.

TheOtherMike posted...

Good to know not to take you seriously then. Thanks for your honesty.

What, were you expecting me to be inconsistent? Sorry bro, I'm finding it hard to feel remorseful when a rapist's victim comes back for revenge.

A_Good_Boy posted...

What, were you expecting me to be inconsistent? Sorry bro, I'm finding it hard to feel remorseful when a rapist's victim comes back for revenge.

No one's expecting you to feel remorseful, especially if they know what the word remorseful means. I'm expecting you to recognize the absurdity of saying that murder is an acceptable response to a crime already committed. Trying to justify vigilante murder a month after the original crime isn't a good look. And I certainly hope you've never lied to someone about how much money you make or anything to try and impress them to get them into bed. Wouldn't want to be inconsistent, right? Because (s)he'd be justified in returning to murder you since that was rape by deception.

iPhone_7 posted...

Probably best not to claim this sexual predator as part of your community.

People either are or they arent LGBTQIA+, its not a choice the community makes to claim them unfortunately. Im not denying this person was a sexual predator, and my personal belief is that society has no need of rapists, so if their crimes can be proven Im in full support of eliminating the danger they pose to society through means such as imprisonment, castration, and execution. In this case, I think you could have gotten a conviction based on the 19 year olds experience alone, and this guy probably would have gotten the g-pop death sentence. I just cant bring myself to think of someone who premeditates and enacts a savage murder as a better person. Anyone capable of that is also dangerous to the rest of society. I dont think murder is justifiable in almost any circumstance and in the rare cases it is, I dont necessarily trust the judgment of a 19 year old man to make the distinction.

I also dont think its responsible to post information from Reddit threads as fact, then paint it as tho youve done extensive research into the matter to create a false sense of authority on the subject.

40 year old man trapping an 18 year old kid, it wouldnt surprise me if this sick fuck trapped even younger guys. On another note I just dont understand this, their are plenty of gay guys around so why pose as a woman to trap a straight guy.

TheOtherMike posted...

No one's expecting you to feel remorseful, especially if they know what the word remorseful means. I'm expecting you to recognize the absurdity of saying that murder is an acceptable response to a crime already committed. Trying to justify vigilante murder a month after the original crime isn't a good look. And I certainly hope you've never lied to someone about how much money you make or anything to try and impress them to get them into bed. Wouldn't want to be inconsistent, right? Because (s)he'd be justified in returning to murder you since that was rape by deception.

Smith didn't merely just "lie" about his gender. He created a grandiose scenario where he was able to prey on Etute. That's a whole lot different than merely lying about your wealth. That would be the same if you rented out a restaurant so you could trick women into sleeping with you. Smith created a whole online profile, wore a hoodie and a wig, and kept the lights down low so he could deceptively rape Etute. We're 3 pages in and people like you still need to be told that if someone needs a costume to trick someone into sleeping with them then that's rape.

A_Good_Boy posted...

We're 3 pages in and people like you still need to be told that if someone needs a costume to trick someone into sleeping with them then that's rape.

Quote where I ever said this wasn't rape. What we're saying is that vigilante murder is not the correct response. Learn to read.

TheOtherMike posted...

Quote where I ever said this wasn't rape. What we're saying is that vigilante murder is not the correct response. Learn to read.

You OK dude? You seem to be taking this discussion awfully hard. You've been overly hostile in all of your posts.

A_Good_Boy posted...

You OK dude? You seem to be taking this discussion awfully hard. You've been overly hostile in all of your posts.

Funny, this isn't a quote of me saying this wasn't rape.

TheOtherMike posted...

Quote where I ever said this wasn't rape. What we're saying is that vigilante murder is not the correct response. Learn to read.

I think that's besides the point because murder already took place isn't it?

faizan_faizan posted...

I think that's besides the point because murder already took place isn't it?

The point is that some people are saying the murder was a good thing, and they're wrong. Bringing the rapist to justice would have been a good thing. Vigilante murder is a bad thing.

TheOtherMike posted...

The point is that some people are saying the murder was a good thing, and they're wrong. Bringing the rapist to justice would have been a good thing. Vigilante murder is a bad thing.

I see. I don't have an opinion on this matter. However it's obvious there's a lot to learn from this incident.

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I don't think the particulars of the rape is the issue. Rape is rape insofar that a rapist is going to create a victim that feels degraded, humiliated, emasculated, etc. Doing just one of those things to someone is going to make that person want commit I'll intent towards you, so rape is a special kind of evil. If that person later comes back to seek retribution then that's on nobody but the aggrieved rapist for creating that situation in the first place.

I find it awfully hard to fault someone for becoming a little bit bloodthirsty after they've been raped. Hemming and hawing because it took a month before he was killed just seems awfully arbitrary.

I wonder how many posts this guy is going to make that come down to not understanding the pretty fucking basic concept that vigilante justice is bad.

Tenlaar posted...

I wonder how many posts this guy is going to make that come down to not understanding the pretty fucking basic concept that vigilante justice is bad.

Which is a pointless quibble to make cause dude wouldn't have been vigilante justice'd if he wasn't raping people first.

Educate me as much as you like about vigilante justice, but I see an awful lot of people in this very topic that need to be educated about what rape by deception is, and this is a forum populated by people in their 30s. Really fucking scary.

The jury heard the case and unanimously agreed he was not guilty so it seems fair to me. If the prosecution had hard evidence this was cold blooded murder then I'm sure the jury would have decided he was gulitu.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Educate me as much as you like about vigilante justice

Vigilante justice is bad. Education complete, now you can stop posting about how its okay.

This seems a lot stranger than he didn't know someone was trans and murdered him.

Like the guy went through some Scooby-Doo shit to trick this guy into sex. I'm just baffled by it all

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

The jury heard the case and unanimously agreed he was not guilty so it seems fair to me. If the prosecution had hard evidence this was cold blooded murder then I'm sure the jury would have decided he was gulity.

no but its easier for armchair lawyers who know nothing about the case to judge him guilty or not guilty, don't you understand?

A_Good_Boy posted...

Which is a pointless quibble to make cause dude wouldn't have been vigilante justice'd if he wasn't raping people first.

It's not a "pointless quibble" at all. First off you're assuming guilt here, which is literally the entire fucking problem with vigilante justice. Vigilantes are no different from lynch mobs. Also, that the alleged rapist is now dead means he never gets his day in court and is never officially found guilty of his crimes. Legally, he's innocent of rape.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I see an awful lot of people in this very topic that need to be educated about what rape by deception is

There you go making this baseless claim again. No one here is confused about what rape by deception is.

Tenlaar posted...

Vigilante justice is bad. Education complete, now you can stop posting about how its okay.

Ok so then why was dude acquitted if it's so bad?

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That's true but unjust verdicts rarely get overturned or whatever. Many innocent people get imprisoned because of unjust verdicts and there's literally nothing they can do other than to rot away in prison for life for someone else's crimes. An extremely, extremely small percentage of innocent people win their case but many already lost decades in prison by the time they actually get out.

TheOtherMike posted...

There you go making this baseless claim again. No one here is confused about what rape by deception is.

Post #59 and 71 are still up actually.

Lrn2read

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My bad.

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This wasn't a judge handing down a lesser sentence. It was an impartial jury of regular people who decided there wasn't even evidence to find the defendant guilty. Be mad at the prosecution if you think the verdict was wrong.