Current Events > Diablo immortal is a big disaster eh?

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Watching the Josh Strike video on it. Jesus lol

good

Don't you have a phone?

Not according to Blizzboys. It's the best free-to-play game that you don't have to pay for

Even though this is a thing

https://gamerant.com/diablo-immortal-streamer-spends-10000-dollars-no-five-star-gems/

Lmfao

It's an out of season April Fools Day joke.

Looks fine to me.

Slayer_22 posted...

It's an out of season April Fools Day joke.

Oh right this is literally the game that gave us that line isn't it?

more like diablo immoral

was it not a disaster when first announced??

Yes.

Wasn't it first announced like 2 or 3 years ago? I'm surprised they didn't cancel it after that infamous reveal at blizzcon

I mean, it's getting memed by PC gamers but pretty sure they're raking in a few dozen mobile whales. The ones who are happily spending away in ignorance

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/2/AAdk2bAADUw6.jpg

Love the break neck reaction to stuff like this. Give it a few weeks and no one will give a shit.

its not pay to win, apparently, because you can just grind more and get a maxed out character eventually. and you aren't really "winning" anything, apparently. so thats how its not pay to win

*announces a mobile game*
*refuses to elaborate*
*condescends to their audience*
*waits a few years until all games are basically shitty mobile games anyway*
*profits*

Axiom posted...

Not according to Blizzboys. It's the best free-to-play game that you don't have to pay for

Even though this is a thing

https://gamerant.com/diablo-immortal-streamer-spends-10000-dollars-no-five-star-gems/

Lmfao

The game has some issues, but this isn't one of them. Does some idiot spending $10k to get nothing hurt your gaming experience?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

its not pay to win, apparently, because you can just grind more and get a maxed out character eventually. and you aren't really "winning" anything, apparently. so thats how its not pay to win

No, there are some P2W mechanics which cannot be accessed (AFAIK) from F2P. Also, the boost from P2W is just never going to be matched by F2Ps. But it's a F2P mobile game, that's to be expected.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

The game has some issues, but this isn't one of them. Does some idiot spending $10k to get nothing hurt your gaming experience?

Yes

It actively makes the games industry worse and effects game design and corporate strategies.

The sheer fact this game even exists is because of those idiots you're telling people to ignore.

It's on par with saying "How does some idiot supporting Donald Trump effect you?"

B-b-but Veggeta X told me it was a good game!

If it makes money, then its done its job.

From everything I've heard, the game itself is well made. It's just a f2p/"gacha" game and so has the issues they all have with stalled/slow progression and baiting you into paying. People complain about it, but I don't know if its actually any worse than other gacha/f2p games.

Not that that is any excuse. Even as a gacha player, how they bait people into paying is pure scum and I will happily support them being mocked and punished for it.

My friend says the game runs excellently, but it's a F2P game. You know the typical bullshit that comes with freemiums like this.

The saddest part of all is that it's actually a decent game.
You can tell that there's a lot of developers who want to get a piece of the pie Genshin Impact made. Actual AAA-quality games instead of clicker BS.

The problem is that those kinds of games have much more egregious gacha BS to compensate for it.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

It actively makes the games industry worse and effects game design and corporate strategies.

Is this actually a problem with the industry or is it a problem with capitalism?

Because last I checked all the most popular, most liked games don't do this shit and those are continuing to get made by all major studios.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Is this actually a problem with the industry or is it a problem with capitalism?

Because last I checked all the most popular, most liked games don't do this shit and those are continuing to get made by all major studios.

gacha games make millions each month, for the top ones.

That is what these companies higher ups want a slice off, and their popularity shows that no matter how much people complain people will still go to them if enticed properly.

Genshin and Diablo Immortal are more cleverly designed because they deliberately give you an over-abundance of resources for about 85% of the main game. Then, once you're dozen (or hundreds) of hours into the game, you're faced with the dilemma of either paying money or basically making no progression.

Genshin is better than Diablo in that regard because the actual world and plot can be finished (easily, in fact) without ever using the Gacha system at all. Weirdly, Genshin is somehow simultaneously the least greedy and most greedy F2P game ever made. If you just want to play the game for fun, there's no reason whatsoever to spend any money at all - all the way until the very end.

Genshin goes the route of making you want something, rather than holding back progress unless you pay. People pay in Genshin because they want to. Most long time players who are also spenders have completely done all content and still pay, even though there's no reason to pay.

DI is the opposite. You get blocked on progress unless you pay and if you want to do PvP you have to pay a lot.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Genshin goes the route of making you want something, rather than holding back progress unless you pay. People pay in Genshin because they want to. Most long time players who are also spenders have completely done all content and still pay, even though there's no reason to pay.

DI is the opposite. You get blocked on progress unless you pay and if you want to do PvP you have to pay a lot.

That's a better assessment than mine. Yes, Genshin doesn't hold any amount of progression back through monetary gatekeeping. But the creep of FOMO does sink in the further you get, as character banners are quite rare (often only once per year at best).

That said, you can literally 100% complete everything in the game, including the Spiral Abyss (the endgame) with only the characters the game literally gives you for free.

Yeah it's hot trash. Much like the rest of what Blizzard shovels out these days.

DarkRoast posted...

Genshin and Diablo Immortal are more cleverly designed because they deliberately give you an over-abundance of resources for about 85% of the main game. Then, once you're dozen (or hundreds) of hours into the game, you're faced with the dilemma of either paying money or basically making no progression.

Genshin is better than Diablo in that regard because the actual world and plot can be finished (easily, in fact) without ever using the Gacha system at all. Weirdly, Genshin is somehow simultaneously the least greedy and most greedy F2P game ever made. If you just want to play the game for fun, there's no reason whatsoever to spend any money at all - all the way until the very end.

and unfortunately, that tactic lends itself VERY well to getting early adopters to jump on the "its not THAT paywalled, the critics are full of shit" train, as they won't see it until much later. Which counteracts the negative word of mouth they'd otherwise rightfully get, especially around launch when the discussion is hottest.

Well you have youtubers spending thousands of dollars in it just prove a point...cant be doing bad.

DarkRoast posted...

That's a better assessment than mine. Yes, Genshin doesn't hold any amount of progression back through monetary gatekeeping. But the creep of FOMO does sink in the further you get, as character banners are quite rare (often only once per year at best).

That said, you can literally 100% complete everything in the game, including the Spiral Abyss (the endgame) with only the characters the game literally gives you for free.

Which is how many of the top gacha's work.

You can complete everything for free. But it's slower, and you don't get as fancy/flashy characters. And then skins for your waifu.

And because they are so f2p it makes people more willing to spend. And then more willing to spend to make their waifu get a sexy outfit.

Genshin (probably accidentally) screwed up by making a lot of the very early characters way too good at way too many things.

Nearly every F2P player will have Bennett, Xingqiu, Xiangling and Sucrose within a month or two of playing, and those four alone form one of the strongest team compositions in the entire game.

Genshin's the only gacha game I'm aware of that somehow manages to suffer from reverse power creep.

Bennett was almost certainly meant to be a throwaway character; Kaeya and Noelle were intended to be replaced almost immediately (tutorial characters, essentially). But Bennett is widely considered the single best character in the game; Noelle can out-DPS most of the 5-star characters and Kaeya is actually extremely strong.

Does nobody want to address the market economy of youtubers feeding into a hate that already existed?

Like, I'm positive most of these streamers had detailed plans on creating videos for this purpose long before the release. Does anyone doubt this?

Complaining about blizzard being ruthless capitalists on the basis of youtube streamers who are feeding into your hate to get your views and therefore money is just...silly.

COVxy posted...

Does nobody want to address the market economy of youtubers feeding into a hate that already existed?

Like, I'm positive most of these streamers had detailed plans on creating videos for this purpose long before the release. Does anyone doubt this?

Complaining about blizzard being ruthless capitalists on the basis of youtube streamers who are feeding into your hate to get your views and therefore money is just...silly.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. That complaints aren't valid unless nobody is making videos about them?

Funkydog posted...

Which is how many of the top gacha's work.

You can complete everything for free. But it's slower, and you don't get as fancy/flashy characters. And then skins for your waifu.

And because they are so f2p it makes people more willing to spend. And then more willing to spend to make their waifu get a sexy outfit.

As someone with a decent amount of experience in gacha games I can pretty reliably guess where this is going to go. Right now, you can complete everything without having a pay to win character. Within the next month they will announce their first big event which will involve a special boss and time limited rewards that will be difficult, but not impossible, to grind out with a free-to-play character. However, you will need to grind it out fully to get all the gear because the next event will be explicitly weak to the gear that this event drops, meaning that if you slip up even once in the grind as a free-to-play character you will fall behind on the treadmill and end up in a situation where as new raids and high-end content come out you just don't have the character power to complete it. Or, it will take so much effort each attempt that the grind will become functionally impossible.

That's always how these games go at launch. You get suckered into thinking that you don't need to reroll or minmax based on the meta and then you get burned a month or two later when it's functionally impossible to keep up.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

The game has some issues, but this isn't one of them. Does some idiot spending $10k to get nothing hurt your gaming experience?

Yes it does because that one fucking idiot gives the company the motivation to continue making shitty games instead of making new and interesting IPs or releasing full games that don't require micro transactions.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't get what you're trying to say here. That complaints aren't valid unless nobody is making videos about them?

What I'm saying is that the video game community is highly susceptible to manipulation through youtube. Which is why the vast majority of people complaining about how terrible the game is haven't played a single second of it.

COVxy posted...

What I'm saying is that the video game community is highly susceptible to manipulation through youtube. Which is why the vast majority of people complaining about how terrible the game is haven't played a single second of it.

You don't have to play a game to recognize shitty practices and garbage design.

COVxy posted...

What I'm saying is that the video game community is highly susceptible to manipulation through youtube. Which is why the vast majority of people complaining about how terrible the game is haven't played a single second of it.

This is true
People are getting grifted from multiple angles but claiming one of them is a good guy. None of them are good guys

Tyranthraxus posted...

Is this actually a problem with the industry or is it a problem with capitalism?

yes

If you don't like it don't play it. Not hard to understand.

more like diablo immoral

Diablo III and Diablo Immortal were such big fuck ups, I hate that they did that too the Diablo brand

Ajiri posted...

Diablo III and Diablo Immortal were such big fuck ups, I hate that they did that too the Diablo brand

At least Diablo 4 looks good.

Axiom posted...

Not according to Blizzboys. It's the best free-to-play game that you don't have to pay for

Even though this is a thing

https://gamerant.com/diablo-immortal-streamer-spends-10000-dollars-no-five-star-gems/

Lmfao

Damn blizzard lizards

Ajiri posted...

Diablo III and Diablo Immortal were such big fuck ups, I hate that they did that too the Diablo brand

Diablo 3 turned into a pretty good and fun game. was it Diablo 2? No. But luckily we got D2R anyway.

Hopefully D4 is a mixture of D2 and D3 cause I rather liked D3s combat flow over D2. I just missed the building and gearing of D2.

Ajiri posted...

Diablo III and Diablo Immortal were such big fuck ups, I hate that they did that too the Diablo brand

Out of curiosity what was so bad about D3? I know the original auction house where you could spend money was a bad move but to be fair to them they sorted it out pretty quickly.

Ironically there is still a thriving industry for buying and selling D3 characters and items on eBay still so there is still a demand for that. I dont blame blizzard for wanting to cash in but the way they did it was shitty.

SHRlKE posted...

Out of curiosity what was so bad about D3? I know the original auction house where you could spend money was a bad move but to be fair to them they sorted it out pretty quickly.

Ironically there is still a thriving industry for buying and selling D3 characters and items on eBay still so there is still a demand for that. I dont blame blizzard for wanting to cash in but the way they did it was shitty.

the biggest problem with the AH was that it directly effected your progression. They really wanted you to use the AH to get better gear to progress deeper into the game. Which made the point of a Diablo game absolutely pointless.

the drops were absolutely dreadful, you were lucky to get a rare and then you had to hope it rolled your stats. Legendaries were pretty fucking bad too and offered shitty synergy.

at launch D3 was a 4/10 at best. Once they fixed their mistakes it became a steady 8.5/10 game.

chrono625 posted...

the biggest problem with the AH was that it directly effected your progression. They really wanted you to use the AH to get better gear to progress deeper into the game. Which made the point of a Diablo game absolutely pointless.

the drops were absolutely dreadful, you were lucky to get a rare and then you had to hope it rolled your stats. Legendaries were pretty fucking bad too and offered shitty synergy.

at launch D3 was a 4/10 at best. Once they fixed their mistakes it became a steady 8.5/10 game.

Yeah I agree. Thats a fair analysis.

They disrespect players and only care about money. Don't support blizzard.