Poll of the Day > lol old people and AI

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This dork thought a chatbot was sentient, and now other old men over the age of 60 are writing articles about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/4/AAUdByAADWu4.jpg

Lmao right like an AI can't learn to say "I am human." It learns to say literally anything. A program deciding to output that sentence doesn't indicate sentience.

Why do people think that the concept of "sentient" AI is even a reality?
It's like the people who think zombies exist.

Judgmenl posted...

Why do people think that the concept of "sentient" AI is even a reality?

Because we've been told it is and it'd take a massive re-education campaign to assert otherwise at this point.

quick random thoughts since I have to go to work:

we are making a lot of progress. google's mission supposedly is to create a full AI. and we are getting there. google actually makes TPUs which are basically hardware neural nets.

but to make an actually conscious machine is going to take more than that. you will need to hook up sensory data to something like a TPU, but in the right way. and then you will need more TPUs hooked up to that in other ways for particular purposes. (probably a combination of neurology and computer science is necessary; I wonder if any neurologists work for google).

but there still will be things missing, even if that started to achieve something approaching consciousness.

one is, a machine AI will not be a chemical process, so it will be missing a lot of things that we do with chemicals, (hormones, neurotransmitters, etc.) (maybe there are hardware analogues?)

another is, a machine AI would be missing our evolutionary instincts. it would not have survival or ambition as driving factors (which for some reason everyone seems to think they will).

probably there is at least the one big question left to answer which is basically the "architecture" of what we know as consciousness; how do you setup the neural networks in such a way that it gives rise to a "conscious" system. (and even then... you would get to "lizard brain" before you got to actual consciousness. if you can't build an ant brain out of neural nets then you're not quite there yet.)

Jen0125 posted...

Because we've been told it is and it'd take a massive re-education campaign to assert otherwise at this point.

Yea, Is Ray Kurzweil's futurism bunk still widely taught in economics courses in college? Because all that stuff is like, make believe. I'm not aware of any evidence to support any of it will ever be a reality, especially not in the public consciousness. Consumer grade technology in general is way behind enterprise grade technology, and who has any idea what the government is doing besides people who can't talk about it?

For the record the actual machine learning stuff I've seen... is very rudimentary and not at all interesting (at least to me) Like, you can algorithmically train a model to play a very simple game, or train a model to do some very bad image splicing, but none of this is anywhere close to "real" consciousness.

i think the issue is that popular culture media has ran with the notion of the self realizing AI and people heard once somewhere it's a risk and we just believe it to be true

most people don't know much about AI

Judgmenl posted...

Why do people think that the concept of "sentient" AI is even a reality?
It's like the people who think zombies exist.

too many movies and a strange bit of wishful thinking. i think people who dont really have a lot going for them in their lives wish for the end of the world or apocalyptic scenarios a lot.

i dont think were anywhere near that level but couldnt we in theory develop technology that could simulate the human brain? Not in our lives but its not entirely impossible.