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bigblu89
07/14/22 10:59:32 AM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
That sounds hilarious!
It actually was. Especially the first 20-25 minutes of it.

One part I like, and he obviously made it funnier than I'm about to, was how you basically can't say anything anymore, because statements you think are perfectly normal now may be offensive in 10 years from now. Statements like "Only men have penises". Who would've though saying that back in 2005 would come back and get someone in trouble in 2022?

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GATTJT
07/14/22 11:01:20 AM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
You are insulting me, not my pee pee, gg
Fair enough I guess

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Cocytus
07/14/22 11:05:01 AM
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Will Smith going to be there?
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
07/14/22 11:05:05 AM
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Lots of ignorant takes in the topic here unfortunately.

Would it be funny for a comedian to basically say, "It's my opinion that black people are less intelligent then white people. Look at test results in schools! Look at incarceration numbers! It's obvious based on those things that clearly black people are less intelligent! LOL, isn't that funny?"

Chapelle is not making any sort of critique of anything. He looks at the trans community, says, "Gender isn't a thing. You have a penis you're a male and if you have a vagina you're a woman. Oh, but not one of those mutilated ones, only the ones at birth. Social construction, brain mapping, none of that stuff matters. If you think you're trans, you're wrong"

I can tell you right now, if a comedian came out with ignorant "jokes" about black people, especially now, they'd be rightly blasted for it. Commenting on the results of systemic oppression can be funny and insightful. A lot of comedians, Chapelle included, have joked about the results of their oppression to speak to their genuine experience. Chapelle, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, all of them have rightly spoken to their experience.

But I can guarantee none of them would take kindly to some white dude essentially making "jokes" making definitive statements about the very existence of "black people".

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thronedfire2
07/14/22 11:09:55 AM
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TULPAMANCER posted...
*jokes about black people*
XD
*jokes about gay people*
XD
*jokes about fat people*
XD
*jokes about Jews*
XD
*jokes about trans people*
>:(

At least these nominations spit in the face of hypocrisy

youre assuming the people who have a problem with the trans jokes were laughing at his other shit though

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masterpug53
07/14/22 11:17:51 AM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Lots of ignorant takes in the topic here unfortunately.

Would it be funny for a comedian to basically say, "It's my opinion that black people are less intelligent then white people. Look at test results in schools! Look at incarceration numbers! It's obvious based on those things that clearly black people are less intelligent! LOL, isn't that funny?"

Chapelle is not making any sort of critique of anything. He looks at the trans community, says, "Gender isn't a thing. You have a penis you're a male and if you have a vagina you're a woman. Oh, but not one of those mutilated ones, only the ones at birth. Social construction, brain mapping, none of that stuff matters. If you think you're trans, you're wrong"

I can tell you right now, if a comedian came out with ignorant "jokes" about black people, especially now, they'd be rightly blasted for it. Commenting on the results of systemic oppression can be funny and insightful. A lot of comedians, Chapelle included, have joked about the results of their oppression to speak to their genuine experience. Chapelle, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, all of them have rightly spoken to their experience.

But I can guarantee none of them would take kindly to some white dude essentially making "jokes" making definitive statements about the very existence of "black people".

There's no way that I can craft a joke targeting black people that would be equivalent to the 'Beyond Meat' joke about trans people (for the benefit of giving the 'b,but he makes fun of everyone equally' crowd some perspective) that wouldn't get me modded on the spot. And rightfully so.

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Stewman_Magoo
07/14/22 11:25:09 AM
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Because they don't actually believe they're funny. They trigger the right people so they just pretend it is.

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KeeperOfShadows
07/14/22 11:25:55 AM
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Many people can't answer that question in general. Explaining exactly why you find something funny can be difficult.

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whitelytning
07/14/22 11:34:11 AM
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Because its irrelevant.

Humor is subjective. What I may find funny another person may not and trying to convince someone what is and isnt funny is not the point.

Funny isnt the test for whether something is or isnt offensive or transphobic which is what a lot of people, including your original post, seem to infer.

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ZMythos
07/14/22 11:39:47 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to explain a joke to someone.

So why not try to explain why Chapple's jokes about trans people are funny?

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StarReaper13
07/14/22 11:41:19 AM
#67:


whitelytning posted...
Because its irrelevant.

Humor is subjective. What I may find funny another person may not and trying to convince someone what is and isnt funny is not the point.

Funny isnt the test for whether something is or isnt offensive or transphobic which is what a lot of people, including your original post, seem to infer.
I'd argue that it is the test for if someone likes it because it's actually funny or if someone likes it because it offends someone they don't like.

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ZMythos
07/14/22 11:51:46 AM
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This is probably the best take I've seen about Chapelle.

https://youtu.be/KSXKzPOcYDU?t=692

If the URL doesn't link to the proper timestamp, skip to 11:32.

Basically, you can make jokes about trans people, black people, jewish people, gay people, white people, etc. But your jokes should be grounded in facts, not misinformation, if you want them to be funny and inoffensive to the group that you're citing in your joke.

Like this one for example:

Growing up with two moms was great, but now that I'm move out I have to call them both equally at least once per month while I'm in the car, even if they're five feet from each other in the house.

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Son_Of_Spam
07/14/22 12:27:30 PM
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Just a reminder that Chappelle completely made up his claim that his transgender friend committed suicide because of other trans people bullying her on social media. There's literally no evidence of it. Also, it's odd how he didn't even know she had children until after she died. You'd think you would know something like that if they were your friend.

https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 12:36:29 PM
#71:


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Making jokes is fine, but his entire personality has become mocking the transgender community.

This. Dave's a cornball now and it's really disappointing. He gave us classics and then became the douchebag we have today. I was hoping he would be someone to look up to in his old age. But now he's a whiny manbaby that cries about everyone not looking up to him.

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BlockAddition
07/14/22 12:51:22 PM
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Of course, Dave Chappelle is one of the best comedians out there

Congrats to him

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CrestedTax
07/14/22 12:56:02 PM
#73:


ZMythos posted...
This is probably the best take I've seen about Chapelle.

https://youtu.be/KSXKzPOcYDU?t=692

If the URL doesn't link to the proper timestamp, skip to 11:32.

Basically, you can make jokes about trans people, black people, jewish people, gay people, white people, etc. But your jokes should be grounded in facts, not misinformation, if you want them to be funny and inoffensive to the group that you're citing in your joke.

Like this one for example:

Growing up with two moms was great, but now that I'm move out I have to call them both equally at least once per month while I'm in the car, even if they're five feet from each other in the house.

Was that joke supposed to be funny?

I don't think misinformation has anything to do with how funny a joke is.
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Hoodroar
07/14/22 2:00:45 PM
#74:


Still a financial flop.

LongJohnSilvers posted...
Good, it's not transphobic to joke about trans people.

It's transphobic to be a TERF though. Trans-exclusionary is literally in the name.

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creativerealms
07/14/22 2:02:39 PM
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So that's what being "cancelled" means.

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 2:03:28 PM
#76:


Hoodroar posted...
Still a financial flop.

It's transphobic to be a TERF though. Trans-exclusionary is literally in the name.

Dave Chappelle literally said "Im team terf" and there was no joke to be found in saying that. That was just a statement in the middle of a comedy special.

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Whirlingpetal
07/14/22 2:29:55 PM
#77:


Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I can tell you right now, if a comedian came out with ignorant "jokes" about black people, especially now, they'd be rightly blasted for it
Lord knows if someone like me (a white dude from the South) tried to make jokes about black people in the same vein as Chapelles trans jokes, Id get eaten alive by most people.

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RoastMutton
07/14/22 2:32:48 PM
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Nice Gunplagirl meltdown. Hope he wins the Emmy.
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bigblu89
07/14/22 2:34:38 PM
#79:


ZMythos posted...
Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to explain a joke to someone.

So why not try to explain why Chapple's jokes about trans people are funny?
Depends on which joke it is, as not every person found every one of the jokes to be funny.

So name the joke, and if there's someone in here that found it funny, maybe they could explain to you why they found it funny.

No one is going to find all 60 minutes of a special to be funny, so you have to be specific.

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BeantownHero
07/14/22 2:36:17 PM
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white people laughing at Dave Chappelle is a huge part of his success

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gunplagirl
07/14/22 2:36:45 PM
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RoastMutton posted...
Nice Gunplagirl meltdown. Hope he wins the Emmy.
4 karma so I can guess at your main

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bigblu89
07/14/22 2:37:23 PM
#83:


ZMythos posted...
Growing up with two moms was great, but now that I'm move out I have to call them both equally at least once per month while I'm in the car, even if they're five feet from each other in the house.

"Why is that funny? The stereotype of mom's being clingy funny to you? Not all mom's are like that. What about the mom's that don't care how often their children call them? Why lump them into the same joke?"

You see how this way of thinking can be hooked onto literally any subject of humor.

Now, this isn't how I feel, about that joke, not most of the Chappelle special, but you get how someone can (and some won't) find humor in basically anything.

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BeantownHero
07/14/22 2:39:31 PM
#84:


thronedfire2 posted...
youre assuming the people who have a problem with the trans jokes were laughing at his other shit though

we were all there for seasons 1 and 2 of Chappelle's show

they were

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bigblu89
07/14/22 2:40:10 PM
#85:


BeantownHero posted...
we were all there for seasons 1 and 2 of Chappelle's show

they were
What if they were only laughing at the parts where he makes fun of white people?

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RoastMutton
07/14/22 2:45:12 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
4 karma so I can guess at your main

Mains are overrated. Throwaways are the future.
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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 2:45:18 PM
#87:


RoastMutton posted...
Nice Gunplagirl meltdown. Hope he wins the Emmy.

Man. Id hate to be this trash of a person.

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DespondentDeity
07/14/22 2:46:42 PM
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So its Gwwak

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RoastMutton
07/14/22 2:49:34 PM
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DespondentDeity posted...
So its Gwwak

Nope. No idea who that is.
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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 2:50:29 PM
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Why do we care who this cornball even is? Lol. He's a scared child that uses alts. That's all that's relevant.

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 2:54:03 PM
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That's why he left the game for a long time. Then he came back to make people laugh at a different community. He literally felt what it feels like to get laughed at and not with, then came back and did the exact thing that fucked him up to other people. He's a villain now. He left a hero and came back a villain. He sucks as a person now. I hope he refinds the right path. But for now, he's a villain.

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comicfire
07/14/22 2:55:58 PM
#93:


gunplagirl posted...
Fuck transphobes and those who defend them


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bigblu89
07/14/22 2:57:24 PM
#94:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
That's why he left the game for a long time. Then he came back to make people laugh at a different community. He literally felt what it feels like to get laughed at and not with, then came back and did the exact thing that fucked him up to other people. He's a villain now. He left a hero and came back a villain. He sucks as a person now. I hope he refinds the right path. But for now, he's a villain.
So you liked him when he was making people laugh at his own community (poor, black people), that really wasn't even his community, as he grew up upper-middle class.

He's basically the Papa Doc (Clarence) of comedy.

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MasterVading
07/14/22 3:01:24 PM
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Smackems
07/14/22 3:04:14 PM
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It was ok

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 3:07:28 PM
#98:


bigblu89 posted...
So you liked him when he was making people laugh at his own community (poor, black people), that really wasn't even his community, as he grew up upper-middle class.

He's basically the Papa Doc (Clarence) of comedy.

Yes. Because he wasn't saying "Im KKK" in the middle of his specials that he made fun of black people in. We knew that he wasn't talking about all black people. He was making fun of outliers of the community. Him having one friend that happened to be trans doesn't equate to him having a underlining love for black people under his old comedy. We were comforted by knowing that he loved black people under all his jokes. He's not convincing us he loves the Trans community. He's failing at that part horribly.

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 3:08:44 PM
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Alright. I won't come back to this conversation if I missed the point tgen. I don't feel like reevaluating everything and trying again lol

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bigblu89
07/14/22 3:12:24 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Yes. Because he wasn't saying "Im KKK" in the middle of his specials that he made fun of black people in. We knew that he wasn't talking about all black people. He was making fun of outliers of the community. Him having one friend that happened to be trans doesn't equate to him having a underlining love for black people under his old comedy. We were comforted by knowing that he loved black people under all his jokes. He's not convincing us he loves the Trans community. He's failing at that part horribly.
Oh. So the fact that he was targeting the most marginalized section of a community, as opposed to the entire community, it was ok. Because he convinced you that, deep down, he actually likes the people he's dragging down. But this time around, he has yet (or possibly never will) convince you that he likes the marginalized group he's currently making fun of.

Got it.

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Lost_All_Senses
07/14/22 3:15:37 PM
#101:


bigblu89 posted...
Oh. So the fact that he was targeting the most marginalized section of a community, as opposed to the entire community, it was ok. Because he convinced you that, deep down, he actually likes the people he's dragging down. But this time around, he has yet (or possibly never will) convince you that he likes the marginalized group he's currently making fun of.

Got it.

Your attitude is irritating me and frustrating while I try to see your perspective. It's hard for me to focus on what you're saying when I feel like you want me to fail to understand it and just continue to feel better than me. If there's a lesson in there, I gotta learn it from a better teacher. Byesies.

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gmanthebest
07/14/22 3:19:03 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/4/AALXCwAADNBA.jpg

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Patchwork
07/14/22 3:28:07 PM
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Didnt see the Closer, but I thought Gervais latest was extremely good.

Bill Burr has a new one out on Netflix that I cant wait to watch. Hes been lights out for years.

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