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Guns_of_Verdun
07/30/22 3:58:40 PM
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He wanted to sneak into a camp of wild slavers, go into their basement and use the Platinum Chip to activate the superpowerful robots... That the dude he actively betraying would be in complete control of.

If he had succeeded he would be trapped in an underground bunker surrounded by ultimate killing robots under the control of House (Who would kill him on the spot) and just outside would be an army of raping murderers who would kill him the second he came out after making a noise if he ran away.

People seem to look over over that because of the NCR/Leigon plots but Benny was a complete buffoon.

Christian's plan C in Smackdown Vs Raw 2006 was less stupid.

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Foppe
07/30/22 4:07:23 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/4/AAA_aCAADgmm.jpg

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/30/22 4:20:03 PM
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I don't think "Fallout 3 had 2 factions who wanted the same thing and fought just to determine who got to have power and control!" works as a criticism when NV is literally the same thing.

And frankly so is real life.

That's possibly the most realistic thing in the entire fallout franchise lol

You can describe Japan bombing Hawaii because we cut off their oil so then we nuked them in a goofy way, bemoaning that we could have just worked together. And that's not fiction. Turns out humans are good at conflict.

But Benny wasn't a faction or a nation, he was a single dude. Which makes his bizarre plan more stupid.

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Big_Nabendu
07/30/22 4:21:55 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/8/0/AAW5a5AADgms.jpg

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doomcrusader
07/30/22 4:30:47 PM
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Foppe posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/4/AAA_aCAADgmm.jpg

Pretty good and true for the most part, but wasn't the enclave trying to modify the purifier to kill anyone who was even slightly irradiated? Obviously the good guys would want to stop that.

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/30/22 4:33:34 PM
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doomcrusader posted...


Pretty good and true for the most part, but wasn't the enclave trying to modify the purifier to kill anyone who was even slightly irradiated? Obviously the good guys would want to stop that.
Eden was trying to do that

But it would have effected almost everyone.

Autum was horrified by it and just wanted the purifer to work normally under Enclave control, making them the leaders and saviors of the land with complete power and authority.

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ultimate_reaver
07/30/22 4:35:15 PM
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in the instruction booklet for virtua fighter 3 you get a very brief plot for every character and jeffrey's is that someone stole his boat. so hes fighting in the tournament for prize money to win a bigger, better boat... that he is going to use to find his original boat. that always stuck out to me as incredibly nonsensical

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/30/22 4:38:49 PM
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ultimate_reaver posted...
in the instruction booklet for virtua fighter 3 you get a very brief plot for every character and jeffrey's is that someone stole his boat. so hes fighting in the tournament for prize money to win a bigger, better boat... that he is going to use to find his original boat. that always stuck out to me as incredibly nonsensical
Sentimental value I guess. Maybe that shitty boat was his grandfathers and his dad used to take him out fishing every weekend just like his grandfather took his dad when his dad was a boy.


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Aressar
07/30/22 4:42:10 PM
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Personally I don't think Benny's plan is all that stupid. He's basically going for his own Yes Man ending, but his one fatal flaw in his plan is that he doesn't kill House, likely because he doesn't actually know where (or what) House is.

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DarkRoast
07/30/22 4:42:27 PM
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Faust: sorry I can't go in there and flip that switch without any harm at all because it's your destiny to die in there

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/30/22 4:44:39 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Faust: sorry I can't go in there and flip that switch without any harm at all because it's your destiny to die in there
Charon your literal Ghoul slave won't go in either
Or the Military Robot
Or the slave you bought from the slavers.

Fallout 3's ending was so bad lol

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YellowSUV
07/30/22 4:57:33 PM
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Did Benny actually know the robots under the Legion camp would be under House's control? If I remember, Benny believed he could just go under the Legion camp, use the chip, and then control the robots.

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/31/22 10:52:32 AM
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YellowSUV posted...
Did Benny actually know the robots under the Legion camp would be under House's control? If I remember, Benny believed he could just go under the Legion camp, use the chip, and then control the robots.
I assume he didn't know because otherwise he's an idiot.

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RchHomieQuanChi
07/31/22 10:59:40 AM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
I don't think "Fallout 3 had 2 factions who wanted the same thing and fought just to determine who got to have power and control!" works as a criticism when NV is literally the same thing.

Wat? The 3 factions of FNV are all pretty distinct.

Caesar's Legion: Totalitarianists
NCR: Corrupt democracy
Mr. House: Anarcho-capitalist (but really neofeudalism)

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ViewtifulJoe
07/31/22 10:59:49 AM
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YellowSUV posted...
Did Benny actually know the robots under the Legion camp would be under House's control? If I remember, Benny believed he could just go under the Legion camp, use the chip, and then control the robots.
This seems like the case. He needed help from the followers of the apocalypse to set up Yes Man and he couldn't publicly be seen making moves against Mr House so he may not have had opportunities to learn much about challenging Mr House would entail.

If you blow up the robots and then talk to him he'll say something like "What? You loser! You had it all and you threw it away!" so that kind of suggests he did think all you had to do to usurp Vegas was walk into the bunker and insert the chip.

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RchHomieQuanChi
07/31/22 11:04:04 AM
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Also, isn't it kind of part of Benny's characterization in the first place to not be as good at planning as he thinks he is?

I thought even Mr. House said Benny was too ambitious for his own good and he pretty much knew what he was up to the entire time. Benny just severely underestimated how many contingencies Mr. House had in place.

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/31/22 11:32:55 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Wat? The 3 factions of FNV are all pretty distinct.

Caesar's Legion: Totalitarianists
NCR: Corrupt democracy
Mr. House: Anarcho-capitalist (but really neofeudalism)


Sure but the Enclave and BOS were distinct too

The complaint was they both want to control the water purifer for their own ends and isn't that silly when they could just work together

The NCR/House/Leigon all want to control Hoover Dam for their own ends and isn't that silly when they all could just work together

Well yeah but they have clashing ideals. That;s how conflict works

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I4NRulez
07/31/22 6:02:47 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, isn't it kind of part of Benny's characterization in the first place to not be as good at planning as he thinks he is?

Yes, plus when you get to the casino you kinda fuck up his plans so he's acting in haste. I dont think his plan was to go in alone to the legion base like that.

You make him flee the casino so he starts rushing his plan.

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Shotgunnova
07/31/22 6:06:52 PM
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Benny: Could I BE any more stupid!?

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BBQChicken
07/31/22 6:09:20 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
He wanted to sneak into a camp of wild slavers, go into their basement and use the Platinum Chip to activate the superpowerful robots... That the dude he actively betraying would be in complete control of.

If he had succeeded he would be trapped in an underground bunker surrounded by ultimate killing robots under the control of House (Who would kill him on the spot) and just outside would be an army of raping murderers who would kill him the second he came out after making a noise if he ran away.

People seem to look over over that because of the NCR/Leigon plots but Benny was a complete buffoon.

Christian's plan C in Smackdown Vs Raw 2006 was less stupid.
What was Christian's plan C?

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cjsdowg
07/31/22 6:09:33 PM
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It isn't about who cuts on the Water Purifier, it is about who controls it .

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synth_real
07/31/22 6:17:45 PM
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ultimate_reaver posted...
in the instruction booklet for virtua fighter 3 you get a very brief plot for every character and jeffrey's is that someone stole his boat. so hes fighting in the tournament for prize money to win a bigger, better boat... that he is going to use to find his original boat. that always stuck out to me as incredibly nonsensical
Seems to me he's planning the perfect revenge, roll up on the motherfucker who robbed him and show him he doesn't even need the boat, it's purely the principle that he can't let someone steal from him and get away with it.

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Guns_of_Verdun
07/31/22 6:18:33 PM
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BBQChicken posted...
What was Christian's plan C?

Edge and Christian with Trish Stratus were the tag team champions. They were feuding with William Regal and Eugene (and your character)

Trish turns Eugene against you and Regal by seducing him.

Regal tries to convince Eugene that she's a liar but he's too distracted by her big tits to see it.

After a few weeks of back and forth, Christian gets jealous because Edge is fucking Trish and he isn't, so feeling like a 3rd wheel he decides to take charge and impliment "Plan C" which is to just beat the holy shit bajesus out of Regal instead and thus eliminate him from the equation entirely.

However seeing Regal get destroyed backfires as it makes Eugene snap, stop simping for Trish and team up with your charatcer to beat up Edge and Christian and take the titles from them.

If Christian had just done literally nothing the plan would have continued to work as it was doing now and Eugene would be buying Trish's bathwater while Christian and Edge were still champs

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Crimsoness
07/31/22 6:46:21 PM
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To be fair Benny is an idiot

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masterpug53
08/01/22 10:19:26 AM
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I will fite you irl if you besmirch the good name of Fallout: New Vegas...but yeah, Benny is the weakest link of the plot, lol. I still like him as a character, but if you maximize dialogue with him you can tell that after a certain point the writers were backflipping through hoops trying to maintain his Rat Pack lingo while spelling out every aspect of his very serious plan. Nobody ever accused the NV writers of being lazy though, and I'll take one overwritten character over ten underwritten ones any day of the week.

And I'll always appreciate the fact that Matthew Perry went out of his way to be a part of NV because he was such a huge fan of Fallout 3 (I even remember him shilling FO3 one time when he was on Conan ffs).

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YellowSUV
08/01/22 7:47:44 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Benny: Could I BE any more stupid!?

lol

read this in Benny's voice

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