Current Events > LA passed measure that bans homeless camps within 500 ft of schools and daycares

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Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

And if the homeless folks refuse to be rounded up, refuse to see a doctor, refuse medication, refuse treatment, refuse to be part of normal functioning society where they have to work?

Then what?

Honestly I'd appropriate federally held land that does not infringe on native territory to replicate a frontier situation. Fwiw I mean acknowledged territory. I guess governments acknowledge it though

I guess the lawlessness would be an issue

Antifar posted...

Question: where are they going to go?

Amboy currently has a population of 5.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Honestly I'd appropriate federally held land that does not infringe on native territory to replicate a frontier situation. Fwiw I mean acknowledged territory. I guess governments acknowledge it though

I guess the lawlessness would be an issue

We do have Alaska, that's about as Frontier as you can get.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

We do have Alaska, that's about as Frontier as you can get.

It's hard to convince people to relocate if they like where they live I guess...

Etna posted...

How many homeless tenants do you house? 50? 60?

Again, I don't need to. It isn't as much of a problem here as it is in the supposed greatest country on Earth. My government is far from perfect, but at least they bothered to install a proper social safety net that has helped many.
Fun fact for all of you spouting that nonsense...I actually live in a city that's famous for advancing psychiatric care. Families here bothered to house and help them since the 13th century. Let me repeat that...since the 13th fucking century. And now there's little need to do even that due to properly funded social security.

TheSavageDragon posted...

Again, I don't need to. It isn't as much of a problem here as it is in the supposed greatest country on Earth. My government is far from perfect, but at least they bothered to install a proper social safety net that has helped many.
Fun fact for all of you spouting that nonsense...I actually live in a city that's famous for advancing psychiatric care. Families here bothered to house and help them since the 13th century. Let me repeat that...since the 13th fucking century. And now there's little need to do even that due to properly funded social security.

What city? If you don't mind me asking.
You genuinely have me interested.

Every person deserves a home to live in.

I think people in homeless camps should be arrested, drug tested, and if they have heroin or any other hard drug in their system they should be held until they go through withdrawal every single time they are picked up and then offered a choice of housing without drugs or going back out on the streets.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

And if the homeless folks refuse to be rounded up, refuse to see a doctor, refuse medication, refuse treatment, refuse to be part of normal functioning society where they have to work?

Then what?

Do you think that the majority of people are like this?

theyre not

MICHALECOLE posted...

Do you think that the majority of people are like this?

theyre not

A majority of the ones in homeless camps actually are like this. The mayor of my city went in lived in a homeless camp for a couple weeks and he came out and said "these people are all hard drug addicts" and then we passed an urban camping ban.

In the Denver metro area we have shelters but they require people not to use hard drugs while they live in them. Guess who doesn't use the shelters and lives in camps instead.

The authoritarianism is strong in this topic

Atralis posted...

A majority of the ones in homeless camps actually are like this. The mayor of my city went in lived in a homeless camp for a couple weeks and he came out and said "these people are all hard drug addicts" and then we passed an urban camping ban.

No, theyre fucking not

Jesus Christ you people

SiO4 posted...

What city? If you don't mind me asking.
You genuinely have me interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geel

Dutch Wikipedia has more info on the particular type of care that was pioneered here and is still practiced to a lesser extent today due to the excellent open facility we now have.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezinsverpleging_(Geel)

MICHALECOLE posted...

No, theyre fucking not

Jesus Christ you people

A majority of the homeless are not drug addicts, a majority of the homeless in camps in cities that allow anyone that isn't actively using drugs to have a roof over their head is a drug addict.

It's just comedy to me that every other state complains that California isn't doing enough for the homeless when their own states policy is to bus the homeless to California.

Maybe California should start bussing the homeless back to these Bible belt states.

Dan_Haren- posted...

It's just comedy to me that every other state complains that California isn't doing enough for the homeless when their own states policy is to bus the homeless to California.

Maybe California should start bussing the homeless back to these Bible belt states.

How about we all send them to Alaska.

Plenty of room on the last Frontier in the US.

Plenty of work needs to be done to expand Anchorage and increase the economic output of Alaska.

Most of the homeless who are drug addicts or have mental health issues didn't have those problems until they were homeless for an extended period of time. Plus with dehumanizing policies like this, I mean. Of course they can't afford proper mental health services when they're having to scrounge for food from trash cans. Like yeah, drugs aren't healthy. But I at least understand why people with nothing else will spend their last $20 on them to cope with their shitty life. And it isn't like people in poverty who are living in apartments can save their way out of poverty, it requires like a decade straight of saving and nothing going wrong like unexpected illnesses to do. It's even harder for homeless people to save their way off the streets.

As for programs that help, many require throwing away everything they have. So if they have any possessions they care about or hold close, those are gone. Sure it is usually trash, but it IS all they have.

And expecting people with untreated mental health issues to suddenly be able to work is just beyond naive.

American attention spans are under siege like Steven Seagal.

things like out of control homelessness can be fought if we focused on fighting for our Rights... instead of trying to keep Rights from the next American out of selfish concern for their own place on the societal totem pole.

The epitome of inclusiveness as long as it doesn't affect me

FaultyCircuitry posted...

a step in the right direction would be to ban AirBnB and massive corporate purchasing of real estate

around here AirBNB aka vacation rentals are swallowing up homes that people can live year round.
city council had to pass a limit how many can be up at any one time.

kingdrake2 posted...

around here AirBNB aka vacation rentals are swallowing up homes that people can live year round.
city council had to pass a limit how many can be up at any one time.

How about we say "NO" to AirBnB & the equivalents.

You want to be a Motel/Hotel. Go do it the proper way.

Schools and daycares and stuff should be safe and secure. You don't know a homeless person's personality or potential to harm others based on a glance, and obviously you want parents and children to be safe getting to school.

The issue is that this measure assigns criminality to any homeless person, people whose defining characteristic is that they have nowhere to live and they need to survive through extreme means, based on the same law that the government uses to monitor and arrest sexual predators.

You have to understand that holding a group to the same standard as rapists and pedophiles is going to associate that group with rapists and pedophiles. And the effects are sweeping and exponential as soon as those measures come into law. Right off the top of my head, this is how life changes for homeless people the second this comes into effect:

• They have less room to exist in. This pushes them into a smaller area, of which there may be less utilities (public bathrooms, gyms, motels) for them to use. This means they have less opportunities to clean themselves up, which means less chance of getting job interviews or meetings with accommodation specialists, meaning more time in extreme poverty. This also means that the police and other hostile groups now have a smaller area to cover to harass homeless people.
• People suspected of being homeless will face more hostility and outright violence if they're seen within half a mile of a school. Again, that connection between sexual predators and homeless people will give people license to assault homeless people, believing their presence can only be to bring harm to others - children in particular - because their presence has become further criminalised. What happens when a homeless person gets assaulted and goes to the police? Well, they were in 500 yards of a school. So the police arrest them.
• On top of having less room to cover to pick up vagrants, police now have an added excuse to treat the homeless poorly. And they'll be lauded by the people who see the 500 yard law as evidence enough of criminality, meaning that the police will be given as much leeway to treat the homeless as they want.

Nothing good will come of this. At best, it's a false sense of security that will stop a handful of harmful people at the expense of everyone else. At worse, it will lead to a whole new level of violence against one of the most vulnerable demographics of people in our society. What measures are being brought in to help the homeless? Where's the funding for shelters, where's the support for organisations who want to help the homeless get back on their feet? Where's the funding for harm reduction? All of that would be infinitely more effective at cleaning up the streets and getting people up on their feet instead of further criminalising them and giving them less of a shot at recovering.

This law is moralistic dogshit that lumps the homeless in with pedophiles and rapists, and more people will be harmed by this law than there would be without it. The only difference is that when harm comes to the homeless, most people won't care. Because they're stinky, druggy, violent bums, and the less of them you have to see, the better - right?

TheSavageDragon posted...

A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.

Should go further than evicting the people backing it tbh

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how should we deal with the homeless problem, as a country?

Good.

Antifar posted...

Question: where are they going to go?

Not near schools that's for sure

JTilly posted...

how should we deal with the homeless problem, as a country?

Golf courses for the homeless

JTilly posted...

how should we deal with the homeless problem, as a country?

provide them with homes

duh

Northlane posted...

I don't care for back and forths when they're about the drug addicts sleeping on the streets who contribute nothing to society

Same way I don't care to argue with pitbull apologists

What do you contribute to society?

WalkingLobsters posted...

doesn't address the underlying problem/10

Of course not. America just sweeps problems under the rug and pretends they're solved

Good. I'm all for helping the homeless getting the things they need to get help and become functional members of society, but kids walking to school definitely don't need to see people sticking themselves with needles or hit by a car while trying to avoid junkies.

gmanthebest posted...

Good. I'm all for helping the homeless getting the things they need to get help and become functional members of society, but kids walking to school definitely don't need to see people sticking themselves with needles or hit by a car while trying to avoid junkies.

agreed.

VampireCoyote posted...

The authoritarianism is strong in this topic

It's that ol' "Libertarian to Fascist" pipeline

BTW, I bet a lot of the people spouting that "contribute nothing to society" line work jobs where they can't tell us what they do besides make their boss richer.

I was curious how over 40% of the city was considered to be within 500 feet of a school or daycare and lo and behold, plenty of office buildings count even though they don't have to currently provide those services.

gmanthebest posted...

Good. I'm all for helping the homeless getting the things they need to get help and become functional members of society, but kids walking to school definitely don't need to see people sticking themselves with needles or hit by a car while trying to avoid junkies.

There's not even enough jobs to give everyone a job though. And warehouse stuff for Amazon only helps amazon, not society at large. Plus I mean, there's plenty of disabled friends I have who are unable to work a job at all, what do you want them to do if they need to work to deserve the right to love in society?

JTilly posted...

how should we deal with the homeless problem, as a country?

Build more housing.

Northlane posted...

The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living

Why should my state continue to be ruined by Californians moving here? You people offer nothing to our economy and have been forcing the locals to become homeless. The idea of accommodating rich assholes who don't work so the working class becomes homeless is absurd. There are 49 other states to move to, yet you choose this one. Your goal in existing is to make everyone in every other state homeless and then blame everyone else for your terrible actions.

Northlane posted...

The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living

Theres plenty of housing for everyone, greed keeps houses and apartments empty

It's weird that I had OP tagged as "hates the homeless" before I even clicked on this topic. For that to be someone's actual tag, they'd have to have been banging on this drum for some time

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Theres plenty of housing for everyone, greed keeps houses and apartments empty

Bingo. The answer is staring us dead in the face.

This is once again a case of a powerful oligarchy controlling resources to build their wealth so the rest of us can't have anything.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Theres plenty of housing for everyone, greed keeps houses and apartments empty

If everyone was willing to live anywhere there would be. But most people in general are entitled as fuck and will refuse to live anyplace other then the same usual high cost stats and citys you always hear about whenever homelessness is brought.

Vicious_Dios posted...

Good.

Should be more than just 500 ft, but this is certainly a step in a better direction.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/0/AAfNgnAADjUw.jpg

Prismsblade posted...

If everyone was willing to live anywhere there would be. But most people in general are entitled as fuck and will refuse to live anyplace other then the same usual high cost stats and citys you always hear about whenever homelessness is brought.

Hey I don't know if you know this, but typically when someone is in a situation where they'd be homeless, they don't exactly have the resources to just up and go somewhere else.

Northlane posted...

The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living

You are a very silly sausage.

Prismsblade posted...

If everyone was willing to live anywhere there would be. But most people in general are entitled as fuck and will refuse to live anyplace other then the same usual high cost stats and citys you always hear about whenever homelessness is brought.

What good does it do to move to some random town with cheap housing if there are no jobs nearby and a car is required to travel anywhere? Like yeah we have a bunch of cheap places people can theoretically move to but if they don't have the proper necessities then it's a whole different problem. But you don't actually care since you usually spout this bullshit in every topic like this.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Hey I don't know if you know this, but typically when someone is in a situation where they'd be homeless, they don't exactly have the resources to just up and go somewhere else.

If Migrants from other countrys can travel accross thousands of miles worth of the most dangerous terrain imaginable for a better life, and with nothing but the clothes on their back. Why can't our citizens?

I'm so tired of this BS excuse. If someone able bodied and mind aren't willing to help themselves even a little they aren't worth anyone's time of day.

Prismsblade posted...

If Migrants from other countrys can travel accross thousands of miles worth of the most dangerous terrain imaginable for a better life, and with nothing but the clothes on their back. Why can't our citizens?

Our citizens are entitled to minimum wage. The sorts of jobs hiring undocumented immigrants do not want to hire people they have to pay decently.

The lack of empathy is sickening. People are far more concerned with having to see people living in abject misery and poverty than having people live in that condition.

The solutions proposed in this topic by people with that attitude have been: forced displacement, mass arrest, forced withdrawal, or ignoring them altogether.

I'm sure moving them to the middle of nowhere will help them with jobs, housing, sobriety, and mental health. Arrest records and drug withdrawal will be great for them as well, along with the lack of meds and I'm sure it'll cause a house to materialize around their persons and jobbies to fall from the job trees.

It's impossible for a society as rich as ours to simply provide people with their needs so you don't have to suffer the indignity of having your precious eyes witness people suffering.

"Housing first" requires a budget line-item. Arrests do not.
Somewhat ironically, the Boise decision turns shelters and housing-first policy into an enforcement mechanism.