Current Events > It's been 1 year since Biden's botched Afghanistan exit.

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IdiotMachine
08/15/22 2:30:00 PM
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Wow... Can't believe it's been a year.

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Lost_All_Senses
08/15/22 2:30:46 PM
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John Oliver send you?

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DarkRoast
08/15/22 2:31:34 PM
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It's been 1 day since Trump's last felony

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Takuya_Lee
08/15/22 2:32:40 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
It's been 1 day since Trump's last felony

No it hasn't. I'm sure hes committed at least 1 today.

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IdiotMachine
08/15/22 2:35:26 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
John Oliver send you?
NBC news this morning, actually.

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pfh1001
08/15/22 2:35:41 PM
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It's horrific that the Taliban took the country back over immediately, but I'm not sure what Biden could have done to make that any better other than keeping troops there for another decade or more.
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TyVulpine
08/15/22 2:36:57 PM
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Amusing how people still understand the logistics and cost it would have taken to get everything out.

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K181
08/15/22 2:38:21 PM
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Biden deserves his share of blame for how botched the exit was and how quickly the collapse of the previous regime occurred, but a minnow's share compared to Trump, Obama, and Bush. This was a generational, multi-administration failure to set up a stable state.

As badly as it went, I at least give Biden credit for definitively ending our presence there rather than continuing on an endless quagmire.

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Unknown480
08/15/22 2:39:36 PM
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But didn't Trump take credit and admit it was his plan and idea to bring troops back home last year? So wouldn't it mean Trump botch it up?
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Lost_All_Senses
08/15/22 2:40:11 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
NBC news this morning, actually.

Oh. Well, it was his topic on the video just uploaded too. So, id you wanna peep that. Pretty depressing stuff.

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TyVulpine
08/15/22 2:46:59 PM
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K181 posted...
Biden deserves his share of blame for how botched the exit was and how quickly the collapse of the previous regime occurred, but a minnow's share compared to Trump, Obama, and Bush. This was a generational, multi-administration failure to set up a stable state.

As badly as it went, I at least give Biden credit for definitively ending our presence there rather than continuing on an endless quagmire.
No matter who got us out, they would get blamed because it was always well known that groups like the Taliban would rise up and take over again.

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Doom_Art
08/15/22 2:53:18 PM
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No business being there. Had to leave eventually and there was no use staying.

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COVxy
08/15/22 3:00:27 PM
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I think it was eventually going to go to shit no matter how it was done, but the pull out should have happened slowly, with refugees placed in new places before letting power go to the Taliban.

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Unsuprised_Pika
08/15/22 3:11:48 PM
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K181 posted...
Biden deserves his share of blame for how botched the exit was and how quickly the collapse of the previous regime occurred, but a minnow's share compared to Trump, Obama, and Bush. This was a generational, multi-administration failure to set up a stable state.

As badly as it went, I at least give Biden credit for definitively ending our presence there rather than continuing on an endless quagmire.

Pretty much.

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TheMikh
08/15/22 3:17:54 PM
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at least our troops aren't still there risking their lives for a pointless occupation

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MelbuFrahma4
08/15/22 3:24:20 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
John Oliver send you?

It did for me. The media just stopped talking about that country. It was nice of John to give a summary of it.

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thronedfire2
08/15/22 3:47:03 PM
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Unknown480 posted...
But didn't Trump take credit and admit it was his plan and idea to bring troops back home last year? So wouldn't it mean Trump botch it up?

yes. Before we actually left and people were saying Biden needs to keep the military there Trump posted how his plan was already set months earlier and there was no stopping it

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unclekoolaid73
08/15/22 3:55:00 PM
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Sad!
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Prestoff
08/15/22 4:01:00 PM
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Unknown480 posted...
But didn't Trump take credit and admit it was his plan and idea to bring troops back home last year? So wouldn't it mean Trump botch it up?

Yeah, but it's the whole presidential administration (from George Bush Jr. to Biden) to blame for what happened to Afghanistan in general.

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TyVulpine
08/15/22 4:04:26 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Yeah, but it's the whole presidential administration (from George Bush Jr. to Biden) to blame for what happened to Afghanistan in general.
Bring troops home? Get blamed for screwing up the situation.
Don't bring troops home? Get blamed for screwing up the situation.
It's a literal 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation.

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COVxy
08/15/22 4:06:02 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
Bring troops home? Get blamed for screwing up the situation.
Don't bring troops home? Get blamed for screwing up the situation.
It's a literal 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation.

I mean, there are other options. People just got really wrapped up on getting what they wanted (getting out of there), that frankly they just didn't give a fuck if there was a better way to do it or not. "Just get it done"

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TyVulpine
08/15/22 4:09:02 PM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, there are other options. People just got really wrapped up on getting what they wanted (getting out of there), that frankly they just didn't give a fuck if there was a better way to do it or not. "Just get it done"
And exactly what "other options" were there? I'll wait. The Afghanistan government had 20 years to insulate itself and build up the country enough to be rid of fascist groups like the Taliban but never clearly had any interest to.

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COVxy
08/15/22 4:10:01 PM
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COVxy posted...
refugees placed in new places before letting power go to the Taliban


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TyVulpine
08/15/22 4:11:57 PM
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That was never an option due to logistics and cost. Unless you personally had the millions of dollars that would have cost?

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COVxy
08/15/22 4:13:40 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
That was never an option due to logistics and cost. Unless you personally had the millions of dollars that would have cost?

Or maybe a government should, you know, foot the bill to minimize the suffering caused by their fuck ups.

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TyVulpine
08/15/22 4:16:00 PM
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COVxy posted...
Or maybe a government should, you know, foot the bill to minimize the suffering caused by their fuck ups.
You mean the Afghanistan government that I mentioned earlier had 20 years to do so? And you still want to blame the US government?

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Axiom
08/15/22 4:19:49 PM
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The majority agree that we should've never been there in the first place. The only way it wouldn't have ended the way it did is if the US had wholesale conquered it. A stable Afghanistan was never an option especially after the US fanned the flames for the past 20 years
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COVxy
08/15/22 4:24:07 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
You mean the Afghanistan government that I mentioned earlier had 20 years to do so? And you still want to blame the US government?

The government wasn't strong, wasn't going to be strong. We knew that pulling out was handing control over to the taliban. So it's not like it was a "whoopsie". We just didn't value the people who were going to encounter hell the moment the taliban took over. And yes, it's our responsibility to consider that.

So, yeah. You can be happy that the US is out of Afghanistan, but still have moral issues with the way it was done.

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mustachedmystic
08/15/22 4:27:36 PM
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As far as Im concerned, no one but the Afghani people are to blame for the Taliban taking over again.

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TyVulpine
08/15/22 4:44:28 PM
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COVxy posted...
The government wasn't strong, wasn't going to be strong. We knew that pulling out was handing control over to the taliban. So it's not like it was a "whoopsie". We just didn't value the people who were going to encounter hell the moment the taliban took over. And yes, it's our responsibility to consider that.

So, yeah. You can be happy that the US is out of Afghanistan, but still have moral issues with the way it was done.
No, its not our fault the Afghan government fell the moment we left. They had 20 years to prepare and failed.

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hockeybub89
08/15/22 5:04:13 PM
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Maybe if we stayed for 75 more years, we could have established an American-style democracy in Afghanistan

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