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Pepys_Monster
08/19/22 1:02:46 AM
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I think they should have sent a gorilla expert in there to retrieve the child. But maybe Im naive.

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TheUmbersun
08/19/22 1:04:56 AM
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They should've shot the... you know what, nah.
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Naysaspace
08/19/22 1:05:04 AM
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yes
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Zeeak4444
08/19/22 1:05:44 AM
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from which viewpoint?

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Questionmarktarius
08/19/22 1:06:06 AM
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Humans > the rest.
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pegusus123456
08/19/22 1:06:08 AM
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Yes.

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FigureOfSpeech
08/19/22 1:44:05 AM
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I only know about Harambe for the meme that followed

Based on that, I "handled my situation correctly"

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Zikten
08/19/22 1:45:18 AM
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Stupid god damned kid and mom
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Naysaspace
08/19/22 1:46:10 AM
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if the kid died then the same people on harambe's side would be lambasting the staff for not shooting him quicker.
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Gobstoppers12
08/19/22 1:48:28 AM
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Yes, definitely handled appropriately, at least on the side of the people who rescued the kid.

Handled horribly by the mother and child, though.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 1:48:58 AM
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Didn't this same thing happen with like a tiger recently and both the tiger and kid came out alive? They couldn't just do that?

I mean I get the situation might be different, but SURELY "shoot gorilla in face" isn't the first plan we should be putting into action.
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Naysaspace
08/19/22 1:51:11 AM
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not every interaction is the same. also, shoot to kill, because you generally only have 1 shot.
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Dan_Haren-
08/19/22 1:53:04 AM
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Why couldn't they tranquilize it
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Questionmarktarius
08/19/22 1:54:44 AM
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Dan_Haren- posted...
Why couldn't they tranquilize it
30-06 rounds are cheaper.
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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 1:58:01 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
I mean I get the situation might be different, but SURELY "shoot gorilla in face" isn't the first plan we should be putting into action.
Yes. Yes it fucking is.

Holy shit.

Pure delusion by someone who bases his opinions on armchair ideology.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 1:58:24 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
not every interaction is the same. also, shoot to kill, because you generally only have 1 shot.

Yeah, ok, sure. But from what I am reading refreshing myself on the situation, it just seems like Harambe grabbed the kid, ran around with him for 10 minutes while the zoo staff just chilled, and then they just shot him dead.

Maybe there is some other info out there but it seems like they didn't try a single other thing other than just sitting on their asses for 10 mins waiting for a dude with a rifle to walk on over to the gorilla exhibit

JUST SEEMS LIKE IDK BLOWING THE GORILLA'S BRAINS OUT SHOULD BE LIKE MAYBE PLAN D AND NOT PLAN A.
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Dingydang166
08/19/22 2:00:50 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Yes. Yes it fucking is.

Holy shit.

Pure delusion by someone who bases his opinions on armchair ideology.

Explain it then bro? Why was blowing a gorilla's brains out the only route humanity should possibly ever take in this scenario?
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KaZooo
08/19/22 2:01:15 AM
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Garbage parents got off easy. Way too easy.

Put their own kid in danger and as a result Harambe had to pay for it. Harambe.

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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 2:03:19 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
Explain it then bro? Why was blowing a gorilla's brains out the only route humanity should possibly ever take in this scenario?
A dangerous animal had a child in its hand. Immediate neutralization, not waiting for tranquilizers to take an effect, not risking angering the animal by "talking it down" should be plan A, plan B, plan C AND plan D.

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Zikten
08/19/22 2:04:27 AM
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He wasn't dangerous. He was tending to the kid like a gorilla child
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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 2:05:11 AM
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Zikten bro, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

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pkmnlord
08/19/22 2:09:24 AM
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Nah, should've sacrificed the kid and let those parents learn their lesson the hard way.

Cause life is hard, so hard sometimes your kid gets fucking rekt by gorilla

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Octans
08/19/22 2:19:22 AM
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kid could be a teenager now, chances are he plays video games. He could even visit gamefaqs.gamespot.com.

Harambe killer, where you at??

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 2:20:15 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
A dangerous animal had a child in its hand. Immediate neutralization, not waiting for tranquilizers to take an effect, not risking angering the animal by "talking it down" should be plan A, plan B, plan C AND plan D.


So just want to make sure here. You believe that employees this shitty ass zoo that can't even manage to make an enclosure that doesn't suck ass utlitized perfect methods, tools, and planning during this incident? You believe that if this same exact scenario occured in every single zoo in the world, the only instances where the child survives are the ones where harambe is shot dead?

If yes, lemme see your zoo license bro, because there is no fucking way you or I would ever know that unless we happened to be real deep in the zoo keepin business during 2016. I sure as shit wasn't and I bet my dick you weren't either.

So yes, I believe if Harambe wasn't in some piece of shit zoo and had actual trained GOOD SOLID FUCKING professionals and not some bumfuck gator wrastlers then Harambe and the kid would both be alive.
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PballDepot
08/19/22 2:25:45 AM
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Octans posted...
Harambe killer, where you at??


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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 2:31:30 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
So just want to make sure here. You believe that employees this shitty ass zoo that can't even manage to make an enclosure that doesn't suck ass utlitized perfect methods, tools, and planning during this incident? You believe that if this same exact scenario occured in every single zoo in the world, the only instances where the child survives are the ones where harambe is shot dead?
I have said literally none of that.

Dingydang166 posted...
So yes, I believe if Harambe wasn't in some piece of shit zoo and had actual trained GOOD SOLID FUCKING professionals and not some bumfuck gator wrastlers then Harambe and the kid would both be alive.
Your belief is based on nothing onther the ideology of "derrrrp animals are goooood *snorts loudly*"

I'm sure the ideology has a more succinct name, but I'm using the more descriptive one.

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pkmnlord
08/19/22 2:39:55 AM
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Actually I take it back. They should've sent out another gorilla for Harambe to get distracted by and he'd drop the kid while tussling with the other gorilla. Thereby giving a window for the kid to be extracted from the exhibit. Fool proof. Too bad it didn't go that way so I could say I told you all so.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 2:40:51 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I have said literally none of that.

Your belief is based on nothing onther the ideology of "derrrrp animals are goooood *snorts loudly*"

I'm sure the ideology has a more succinct name, but I'm using the more descriptive one.


I never said you said that, but you do believe that? I mean your stance is that you are 100% sure that this gorilla should be shot in this scenario isn't it? That would mean you believe everything I said. Otherwise, you are not 100% firm in this belief? In that case then shut the fuck up because you apparently don't believe this was handled correctly either.

So which is it bro? Do you agree with the belief that if this situation occured in every single zoo in the world, shooting Harambe dead is the only instance in every zoo that the kid lives? Or are you going to just shut the fuck up and just agree that you don't know shit? Or are you just going to use this brand new word you learned today "ideology" in another sentence that makes no goddamn sense?

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Strider102
08/19/22 2:41:56 AM
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Harambe literally did nothing wrong.

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gp1829
08/19/22 2:42:13 AM
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Octans posted...
kid could be a teenager now, chances are he plays video games. He could even visit gamefaqs.gamespot.com.

Harambe killer, where you at??

He would be 9. He was 3 when it happened.
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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 2:45:29 AM
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Whether or not Harambe is shot dead really depends on individual factors, doesn't it? Mainly the gorilla's behavior. Harambe didn't leave the child. Harambe died.

Simple as it should be.

Further you're being a big dummy. Of course that can be situations where Harambe is not killed and the kid survives. Point being, there's really no reason to take that chance other than you being a bad person who is willing to risk the life of a child based on some fucked up belief about the value of animals.

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gp1829
08/19/22 2:50:37 AM
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At 3.
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Dingydang166
08/19/22 3:03:10 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Whether or not Harambe is shot dead really depends on individual factors, doesn't it? Mainly the gorilla's behavior. Harambe didn't leave the child. Harambe died.

Simple as it should be.

Further you're being a big dummy. Of course that can be situations where Harambe is not killed and the kid survives. Point being, there's really no reason to take that chance other than you being a bad person who is willing to risk the life of a child based on some fucked up belief about the value of animals.


RIGHT, SO WE AGREE THEN. When posed with the question in the topic title, "Was the situation handled correct?", the answer, by your own words, in unarguably "No". If there is a situation where harambe and the kid ever get out alive, that would make that situation the "correct" one, and this the "incorrect" one. The correct one is where everyone lives, the incorrect one is the one where something dies. Simple. Moving on.

Perhaps if the original question posed was "Was the harambe situation handled correctly considering the limited knowledge, tools, and professionalism of the Zoo?", then the answer could be "Yes", since that would be giving those shitters the benefit of the doubt and not holding them to actual standards. but that wasn't the question,

So lets head on to my first goddamn post that sparked this:

"I mean I get the situation might be different, but SURELY "shoot gorilla in face" isn't the first plan we should be putting into action."

Nothing definite. I make no assumptions of the zoo keeping business. Just a a reasonable belief that in another zoo with better protocols that blowing the gorillas head off shouldn't be step one.

To which you replied with:

"Yes. Yes it f***ing is.

Holy s***.

Pure delusion by someone who bases his opinions on armchair ideology."

So are we both deluded then? I mean you agreed that there are situations where harambe lives? The very belief you called me delusional for? SO WHICH IS IT BRO ARE YOU WRONG OR ARE YOU WRONG?
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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 3:06:16 AM
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Dingydang166 posted...
If there is a situation where harambe and the kid ever get out alive, that would make that situation the "correct" one, and this the "incorrect" one.
Nope.

Pure delusion. Derangement more than delusion, really.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 3:13:49 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Nope.

Pure delusion.

Look at you. Just throwing out buzzwords all day without explaining anything. It is like talking to a chatbot. Do you not have the ability to put your thoughts to keys? Do you have anything to offer other than these weird baseless ad hominem insults you sprinkle into every post? Is this all I am ever going to get out of you? I could scream at your brain for hours and I just would never hear anything else huh?
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pegusus123456
08/19/22 3:17:33 AM
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Dingydang's argument seems to be that they handled the situation incorrectly because the kid managed to get in there at all. I think it's just kind of silly to argue from that point because you've opened the scope so far.

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DeadBankerDream
08/19/22 3:20:53 AM
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I don't know what you want me to say. Claiming that the zoo staff shooting the gorilla is incorrect, not even that it was simply a bad decision, it was a mathematically wrong answer, because if they risked the kid's life there's a possibility that both could live IS delusional and based on ideological positions you hold rather than any aspect of reality we exist in.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 3:23:27 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Dingydang's argument seems to be that they handled the situation incorrectly because the kid managed to get in there at all. I think it's just kind of silly to argue from that point because you've opened the scope so far.

That is not my argument at all. I mentioned the enclosure because the fact that it was shitty reflects upon how shitty the zoo is. Because of that, if I were to place this particular zoo on a tier list of "Zoos that are probably equipped to deal with a Harambe situation", I would place it low. Now I don't set forth that my tier list is objectively right, but I just don't think a place with a hole that kids can fall into that makes gorillas die is going to be very high

My argument is simply that if this happened at the Number 1 SSS Tier Zoo, Harambe would be alive.
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VampireCoyote
08/19/22 3:24:34 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yes.


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Mew
08/19/22 3:27:18 AM
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Fuck that kid

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Tyranthraxus
08/19/22 3:30:39 AM
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I just want to say that it's total fucking shit that you kidnap a gorilla out of their natural environment and then stick them in a shitty cage that doesn't even remotely resemble a jungle only to later kill them when a dumbass climbs inside.

The only correct way to handle the Harambe situation is to not have built a fucking zoo in the first place.

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Dingydang166
08/19/22 3:52:01 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I don't know what you want me to say. Claiming that the zoo staff shooting the gorilla is incorrect, not even that it was simply a bad decision, it was a mathematically wrong answer, because if they risked the kid's life there's a possibility that both could live IS delusional and based on ideological positions you hold rather than any aspect of reality we exist in.

It is delusional to believe that particular zoo staff with their combined IQ of 200 could do much better, agreed.

That was not the question though. That has never been the question. It was never the question in the topic title, nor was it the question of the post I made you replied to. I don't know how to make this concept any more clear to you.

And I really don't understand why you bring in some this "animal ideology" every single post? What word or sentence have I said to make you think this?

I just refuse to believe that the entire accumulation of all human knowledge equates to "blow gorilla's head off if he get kid" being the correct answer, and that there surely is a zoo out there that has a better answer than that.
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The_Creep_2020
08/19/22 4:00:10 AM
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Dan_Haren- posted...
Why couldn't they tranquilize it
Tranquilisers don't work like in the movies.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/19/22 4:31:57 AM
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This is pointless to ask here, you can only give the safe answer or you will be modded

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Pepys_Monster
08/19/22 4:34:22 AM
#51:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
This is pointless to ask here, you can only give the safe answer or you will be modded
Probably true

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Glabrezu
08/19/22 4:41:54 AM
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Whatever you may think of the kid or his parents, once the kid had fallen into the pen his life was in danger. The zoo keepers took the right course of action.
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