Current Events > "She-Hulk" is now the lowest scored MCU Show on IMDB

(+) Yeah! (+)

BignutzisBack posted...

If I like the show/media it clearly has low scores because of incels, sexists, etc

If I dislike the show/media it clearly has low scores because they are deserved

I posted the breakdown. It's very clearly review bombed.

I've seen some Youtube skit about how She-Hulk basically told Bruce off for being traumatized because he's not had the common problems women face or something of the sort. I haven't watched the show enough to know, but disrespecting Bruce after Endgame seems like a bad move to me

Frankly the show has been about a 7.5 for me so far but I just gave it a ten on IMDB because the review bombing is ridiculous.

legendarylemur posted...

I've seen some Youtube skit about how She-Hulk basically told Bruce off for being traumatized because he's not had the common problems women face or something of the sort. I haven't watched the show enough to know, but disrespecting Bruce after Endgame seems like a bad move to me

In the first episode while they were arguing she told him that women are better at holding their temper than men because essentially people act like they're unreasonable bitches when they complain about things and it could get her career or life into danger.

It was somewhat uncalled for since Bruce has had a hell of a life but a) they were arguing and b) She seems to be correct because the point of the show in which she got angry is being used by people to call her an unreasonable bitch.

She had also made the point earlier in the argument that she wanted to go back because she'd just gotten the lawyer jobs of her dreams and didn't want to imperil it and Bruce was insisting on a decade long (potentially) island visit to master being the Hulk. I'd say yes, she was somewhat out of line but not entirely wrong and I don't see why a female character not being perfect all the time means the show sucks. Don't we want to see characters with facets?

legendarylemur posted...

I've seen some Youtube skit about how She-Hulk basically told Bruce off for being traumatized because he's not had the common problems women face or something of the sort. I haven't watched the show enough to know, but disrespecting Bruce after Endgame seems like a bad move to me

This never happened, as an fyi.

Sir_Will posted...

I posted the breakdown. It's very clearly review bombed.

Your reasoned appreciation of the situation, based on observation and an understanding of current social media trends, is no match for my uninformed cynicism.

I watched the first episode when it dropped. The show seems fine, but I don't really know why She Hulk is important or why I should care about her. That's how I've felt about almost all of the MCU shows tho. Wandavision was the only one I really stayed interested in.

legendarylemur posted...

I've seen some Youtube skit about how She-Hulk basically told Bruce off for being traumatized because he's not had the common problems women face or something of the sort. I haven't watched the show enough to know, but disrespecting Bruce after Endgame seems like a bad move to me

That's the incel interpretation of the scene. That's not what happened or what was intended.

Returning_CEmen posted...

Bruce Banner was annoying as fuck in the first episode but She Hulk was great

Trying not to be part of the echo chamber, so I'll give this my shot in the dark. We could speculate that all the reviews are simply from a bunch of women hating incels. Though I hear (havent consumed so I cant attest), its because many of these "women empowering" movies or shows feel the need to also make the male role look like an idiot. I have heard this about other things such as Thor: Love and Thunder, the Buzz Lightyear movie, etc.

Dont want anyone reading this to jump to conclusions (because I know thats what the internet does best) and think I am "picking a side". But instead I would people to consider the fact that when something like this is so strongly disliked, it cant be as one dimensional as "they are all just misogynists". Sometimes things are just bad.

dioxxys posted...

But instead I would people to consider the fact that when something like this is so strongly disliked, it cant be as one dimensional as "they are all just misogynists". Sometimes things are just bad.

History would prove this statement false.

I have zero interest in either Hulk, but this is the tweet I saw that went viral.

https://twitter.com/imdb/status/1560367868352507905

And a lot of catcalling is totally comparable to Bruce trying to kill himself to be rid of the Hulk.

How exactly was she in the right again?

5.2 ain't even worth ironically watching guys, just let it go and watch something better.

lolife67 posted...

History would prove this statement false.

History, and like, recent events.

Btw I have that guy tagged as "Bounding Into Comics", so he's fallen for that shit very willingly.

blackrider76 posted...

I have zero interest in either Hulk, but this is the tweet I saw that went viral.

https://twitter.com/imdb/status/1560367868352507905

And a lot of catcalling is totally comparable to Bruce trying to kill himself to be rid of the Hulk.

How exactly was she in the right again?

*spoilers*

And then she started to see how hard it was to get a job when people knew she was a Hulk.
Imagine Bruce when he lost his job, somebody had to pay for the damage and quite probable death that he caused as the Hulk, people wanted justice and accountability, but also he was on the run being hunted down by at least one government, they wanted a big green lab rat.
But yeah sure she has to endure some catcalling, oooh therefore she knows about rage... "I do it INFINITELY MORE THAN YOU".

You go gurl.

All I have seen about it are dudes raging about the cat calling thing or something.

All that says to me is that there may be some performative woke shit in the show.. which I don't care for just because it makes it feel unnatural. But shit, I haven't even seen it to judge for myself..

Though I probably won't ever watch it because lately I can't seem to pay attention to a new TV show longer than 2 minutes.

I get the feeling this one 30 second clip is going to outlast the rest of the show in history solely due to years down the line when someone makes a monthly topic complaining about it.

The fact that Bruce himself was accepting of her in this scene is the point here; that they are family and can be like this around each other.

She doesn't have to be perfect. Expecting her to be is telling on yourself.

blackrider76 posted...

I have zero interest in either Hulk, but this is the tweet I saw that went viral.

https://twitter.com/imdb/status/1560367868352507905

And a lot of catcalling is totally comparable to Bruce trying to kill himself to be rid of the Hulk.

How exactly was she in the right again?

This is a problem when you're watching a scene like this out of context, which unfortunately is what a lot of these people in the manosphere are doing. The only thing she's right about is that she has an easier time controlling her anger than Bruce, but otherwise it was simply an argument. It wasn't some "empowering moment", it was her trying to convince Bruce to let her go back to being a lawyer. The reason Bruce was hesitant about it was that this was new territory for both of them. He was afraid she might end up like him when he first turned into the Hulk. Obviously, that wasn't the case hence why he eventually let her go. For most comic book readers, we know the reason she has an easier time maintaining her Hulk is that she has less baggage than Bruce. Her problem was always her self-confidence, which She-Hulk fulfills for her.

This is a problem about being outrage over little things like this.

BettyWhite posted...

All that says to me is that there may be some performative woke shit in the show

It's sad using a username like that to spout such BS.

Prestoff posted...

This is a problem when you're watching a scene like this out of context, which unfortunately is what a lot of these people in the manosphere are doing. The only thing she's right about is that she has an easier time controlling her anger than Bruce, but otherwise it was simply an argument. It wasn't some "empowering moment", it was her trying to convince Bruce to let her go back to being a lawyer. The reason Bruce was hesitant about it was that this was new territory for both of them. He was afraid she might end up like him when he first turned into the Hulk. Obviously, that wasn't the case hence why he eventually let her go. For most comic book readers, we know the reason she has an easier time maintaining her Hulk is that she has less baggage than Bruce. Her problem was always her self-confidence, which She-Hulk fulfills for her.

This is a problem about being outrage over little things like this.

I mean culturally speaking, the statement she makes is true of women across the board, especially those operating in the professional world, which is still largely dominated with men. That's the signal of the message.

The fact that she's saying this to a specific male character who also has had to deal with a LOT more anger than the average man isn't really a problem, as I said earlier, as she's not in an ideal place contextually and she's speaking to family.

When you can hear the typing that the writer is doing, then you've failed as an author. End of.
They should seem like real characters, not mouth-pieces for the writers.
In fact, a true author's characters might not even be liked by the author -- and have vastly different beliefs.

Michael_Booth posted...

When you can hear the typing that the writer is doing, then you've failed as an author. End of.

Alternatively, some lampshades need hanging. Sometimes spelling out the message succinctly has benefits.

Prestoff posted...

It wasn't some "empowering moment"

Thats literally why IMDB was tweeting this scene though (unless say it louder for the people in the back has another meaning Im not aware of), which justifies the backlash they (and subsequently this show) got to a degree.

If the scene was meant to be taken as standalone, it wouldnt have been used in this manner.

Michael_Booth posted...

When you can hear the typing that the writer is doing, then you've failed as an author. End of.
They should seem like real characters, not mouth-pieces for the writers.
In fact, a true author's characters might not even be liked by the author -- and have vastly different beliefs.

Everything Jen said was perfectly in character, though. It wasn't some "soapbox" moment at all.

blackrider76 posted...

Thats literally why IMDB was tweeting this scene though, which justifies the backlash they (and subsequently this show) got.

What do you think "justifies" means in this context?

Do you mean it as "it could be expected" or do you mean as in "rightly deserved"?

blackrider76 posted...

Thats literally why IMDB was tweeting this scene though (unless say it louder for the people in the back has another meaning Im not aware of), which justifies the backlash they (and subsequently this show) got to a degree.

If the scene was meant to be taken as standalone, it wouldnt have been used in this manner.

Authorial intent is determined by a third-party tweet showing a scene? What the fuck lmao

Michael_Booth posted...

When you can hear the typing that the writer is doing, then you've failed as an author. End of.
They should seem like real characters, not mouth-pieces for the writers.
In fact, a true author's characters might not even be liked by the author -- and have vastly different beliefs.

Art in and of itself is usually a mouthpiece for its creator. That's the whole point of artistic expression.

I mean, it's the same thing as when Zack Snyder glorified Randian objectivist Rorschach in his adaptation of Watchmen, even though the original creator used him to mock Randianism

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Authorial intent is determined by a third-party tweet showing a scene? What the fuck lmao

I mean if you want to believe the conspiracy of the Hollywood media cabal controlling all information we consume and process, it fits right in line.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, it's the same thing as when Zack Snyder glorified Randian objectivist Rorschach in his adaptation of Watchmen, even though the original creator used him to mock the Randianism

I never even thought about that but it makes so much sense now that you bring it up.

CyricZ posted...

I mean culturally speaking, the statement she makes is true of women across the board, especially those operating in the professional world, which is still largely dominated with men. That's the signal of the message.

The fact that she's saying this to a specific male character who also has had to deal with a LOT more anger than the average man isn't really a problem, as I said earlier, as she's not in an ideal place contextually and she's speaking to family.

I know, I agree with her personally but anyone with a single-digit IQ would know that she was saying what she said out of frustration. Hell, one of my friends who disagreed with her was at least able to make that out.

blackrider76 posted...

Thats literally why IMDB was tweeting this scene though (unless say it louder for the people in the back has another meaning Im not aware of), which justifies the backlash they (and subsequently this show) got to a degree.

If the scene was meant to be taken as standalone, it wouldnt have been used in this manner.

Yeah, I'm sure no one has ever clipped something out of context to push their ideology. You know, something like that has never happened ever in history.... It's very possible to agree with something, but at the same time realize the context it's being used in a show as well. I swear, some of you guys are just looking for an excuse to get angry over.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Art in and of itself is usually a mouthpiece for its creator. That's the whole point of artistic expression.

I mean, it's the same thing as when Zack Snyder glorified Randian objectivist Rorschach in his adaptation of Watchmen, even though the original creator used him to mock Randianism

Let's see what the best selling novelist of all time (they have only been outsold by the Bible and Shakespeare), Agatha Christie has to say:

In 1930s Agatha Christie found Poirot "rather insufferable", and by 1960 she felt that he was a "detestable, bombastic, tiresome, ego-centric little creep".

Michael_Booth posted...

Let's see what the best selling novelist of all time (they have only been outsold by the Bible and Shakespeare), Agatha Christie has to say:

In 1930s Agatha Christie found Poirot "rather insufferable", and by 1960 she felt that he was a "detestable, bombastic, tiresome, ego-centric little creep".

Art being a mouthpiece for its creators isn't universal to every genre, but more importantly, it's usually never weaved in through exclusively as dialogue. Still, if an author writes a character as complex, this enables them to still go on diatribes, no?

Whether or not this is the author speaking directly to the viewer is another matter, but saying "If it sounds like the author is speaking to the audience" infers that is both what is happening and that the viewer or reader is meant to directly take away what that character said with no other context.

Was hoping it would be alright. CGI looks pretty jank though.

Watchmen's still pretty fun to cite here because I can't think of something as obviously messaged as the concept of "Republican President Nixon orders noted rapist and psychopath The Comedian to kill Bob Woodward, a journalist that was integral to bringing Nixon down"

Like I dunno politics are seared over a lot of popular author's works that have been praised.

CyricZ posted...

What do you think "justifies" means in this context?

Do you mean it as "it could be expected" or do you mean as in "rightly deserved"?

I dont put stock in review bombing, if thats what youre asking.

But negative attention or even ratioing, in this case, is expected when you try to make this a callout.

Prestoff posted...

Yeah, I'm sure no one has ever clipped something out of context to push their ideology. You know, something like that has never happened ever in history.... It's very possible to agree with something, but at the same time realize the context it's being used in a show as well. I swear, some of you guys are just looking for an excuse to get angry over.

angry

I already said I had no interest in either Hulk. Cant get angry over something I wasnt gonna watch in the first place.

Prestoff posted...

I know, I agree with her personally but anyone with a single-digit IQ would know that she was saying what she said out of frustration. Hell, one of my friends who disagreed with her was at least able to make that out.

As someone who also thought the scene was a bit oversold I took this as her being angry as well. But the response really sells her point that even just getting mad causes people to be overly judgemental about women even better than the scene. gg internet incels.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Watchmen's still pretty fun to cite here because I can't think of something as obviously messaged as the concept of "Republican President Nixon orders noted rapist and psychopath The Comedian to kill Bob Woodward, a journalist that was integral to bringing Nixon down"

Like I dunno politics are seared over a lot of popular author's works that have been praised.

Alan Moore never minced words.

can we just stop giving dumb incel neckbeards attention altogether

Despite the awkward feminist takes within the show, even women are dunking on the first episode's poor writing, especially female commentators who are comic consumers themselves.

A She-Hulk series including a dash of pro feminism could work when well presented. This missed that mark and a notable portion of the viewer criticism is calling that out in various ways. They're not all bots; some of the complaints are valid. The show writers simply need to dial down the Bechdel testing while putting a higher priority on constructive storytelling and character growth. She-Hulk learning how to overcome the obstacles of her knew transformative powers could have been an ongoing subplot developing other support characters as well, including Bruce Banner as a mentor. It's a golden opportunity to show a protagonist's trials and perseverance over time into becoming something stronger, which She-Hulk had to do within the comics. It's also prime material for a show categorized as a comedy because not every trial is easy and the character is known for her sassy takes on life. The show's writers, however, decided to forgo that in the first episode and just make Jennifer Walters a blackbelt in Hulking. It's boring and lazy writing.

All I can say further is I hope the series redeems itself from it's shoddy introduction. I would like to see the character of She-Hulk on the big screen someday because she's actually written entertainingly. This rendition so far is not giving me much hope.

Episode 2 is very good.

Collat posted...

Was hoping it would be alright. CGI looks pretty jank though.

Yeah, she looks slightly better than she did in the first trailer, but she still has that uncanny valley look to it. It's weird because Bruce's Hulk looks fine. I tend to give the VFX team some leeway though after learning what kind of shit Marvel puts them with the auction system that makes it so that these VFX teams always work going into the red with barely enough time to finish them. This is entirely on Marve/Disney for being a multi-billion dollar company and still paying shit to their workers.

blackrider76 posted...

I already said I had no interest in either Hulk. Cant get angry over something I wasnt gonna watch in the first place.

The "angry" part wasn't really pointing at you but more at the actual people who seem to be unhinged about this in general. Though the first two sentences were directed at you.

PyropeRemoraConflux posted...

As someone who also thought the scene was a bit oversold I took this as her being angry as well. But the response really sells her point that even just getting mad causes people to be overly judgemental about women even better than the scene. gg internet incels.

I will admit that upon watching the scene again, it does feel a little ham-fisted. Though it's a bit crazy shes been proven ironically correct with the response shes getting

Sir_Will posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/6/6/AABxt1AADmde.png

Yes.

I feel like if you get rid of all the 1's and all the 10's, it gives a more accurate score of the show.

Sir_Will posted...

It's sad using a username like that to spout such BS.

I consume tons of media that's empowering to the disadvantaged. I'm just not down with it being shoehorned in like the majority of media these days for sake of appearing woke.

masterpug53 posted...

"How DARE this show insinuate that women are better at controlling their anger than men?! RRRAAAWWW!!" *screeches at top of lungs while slamming keyboard against desk*

this is how you know who's never read a She-Hulk comic.

Is is actual review bombing or is it just a bad movie

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is is actual review bombing or is it just a bad movie

I mean.. just scrolling through any social media platform makes it obvious it's review bombing.

Cobra1010 posted...

I've just looking up this new american word 'incel'. By the definition, isnt like 95% of the CEmen on here incels then?

There have been polls here where like half the board are virgins

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is is actual review bombing or is it just a bad movie

Its a series, not a movie. And all the people I've talked to who actually watched it, said they enjoyed it

Questionmarktarius posted...

this is how you know who's never read a She-Hulk comic.

Lol I'll never forget seeing some dumbass on Instagram complaining about them making a female Hulk....as if She-Hulk hasn't been around since the 80s

blackrider76 posted...

I have zero interest in either Hulk, but this is the tweet I saw that went viral.

https://twitter.com/imdb/status/1560367868352507905

And a lot of catcalling is totally comparable to Bruce trying to kill himself to be rid of the Hulk.

How exactly was she in the right again?

What a cringey scene. No wonder it's getting bad reviews.

Zikten posted...

Its a series, not a movie. And all the people I've talked to who actually watched it, said they enjoyed it

same. Good so far and Maslany is a great actress so I hope they give her something to chew on.