Board 8 > MCU General 11 - Wong: Fugitive From the Law

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She-Hulk is improved by escaping from including any action scenes whatsoever, and THAT is not conducive to a film, imo.

Some shows being good doesnt make the model good. Sorry man but I cant agree here. Theyre taking stuff that clearly should just be a movie and making awkwardly transitioned TV episodes instead. It doesnt work no matter good Loki was. Everything feels either rushed or goes on too long.

WandaVision and What If worked because they had actual television formats.

Not hard to draw conclusions that all those 1s are from bigots, yes, we get it

Yeah usually if a show/movie/game/anything starring women or people of color has an imdb user rating average that's drastically lower than every other site suggests it should be, you can assume it's for stupid reasons

Also sure but then people who legitimately dislike it get lumped in unfairly with them

For instance there are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Ms. Marvel despite the critical acclaim it received

This goes both ways. A subset of people think a show led by minorities can't ever be bad for any reason and that all criticism is just racism, which is just not true. If something is garbage, it doesn't matter which diversity boxes got checked, and often things like skin color and gender are used as a shield for all criticism.

Ms. Marvel is objectively garbage with tons of ruined potential, but we're told disliking it must mean we hate Muslims. It's a lazy, reductive defense.

Trying to figure out how some missing posts brought the topic to Elektra

I think it's more nuanced than that, but it is definitely a tricky situation, and Ms. Marvel is one of the biggest examples of that

Ms. Marvel isn't a good show. But the vast majority of hate for it started before it even aired, specifically by people who hated its existence it for those exact reasons. And yeah, it does make it harder to fairly criticize because the real criticisms often get buried below the tons of shitty responses flooding the internet.

But the argument that people are telling you you have to like it is a strawman. Nobody is saying that. If anything it's just a little more burden to explain why you don't like it (which, again, there's plenty of reason to dislike it, it's not a good show)

I don't think the diversity is trying to be used as a shield, but there definitely is a lot more pressure on a show with diverse leads to do better, because there are fewer of them and how they do matters more. Just look at stuff like Catwoman and Elektra, which did terribly because they were awful movies. But the studios put the blame on the fact that they were women-led rather than that they were objectively bad, and that led to us not getting another woman-led superhero movie for over a decade

Elektra was a better movie than Daredevil

We didnt have the same opportunity for people to get mad about stuff, since proper social media wasnt around yet.

I dunno if people were getting mad about him on some weird message boards though. Maybe!

that movie was before this account was created, so I wasnt even really online yet

Elektra was a better movie than Daredevil