Current Events > Jennifer Lawrence: "I get paid less because I have a vagina."

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It sure as shit ain't her acting skills .

reports revealed in 2021 that she earned $5 million less than Leonardo DiCaprio on Dont Look Up despite sharing top billing with him.

leonardo dicaprio is a household name

jennifer lawrence is a literally who

leonardo dicaprio is a household name

jennifer lawrence is a literally who

No she isn't

Isn't JLaw's Oscar win a notoriously bad decision?

I like how this is just thrown out there like it's Crash or Green Book winning rather than just something that you could maybe find someone who believes but isn't a "known controversial win" or anything.

There is no gender pay gap , men make more money because on average they work longer hours , more dangerous jobs , and more high performance jobs like being a doctor or an engineer. They are over represented in high paying fields , and that is with free will accounted for. Same way women are over represented in teaching and nursing.

Honestly this was debunked so long ago and so many times I'm surprised people still believe it. Plus it's illegal in the US to pay women less so even if it happens they have legal recourse to sue .

Do you have a link to where it was debunked?

It may sound antiquated, but among full-time workers, women earn about 78 cents to a man's dollar. That's according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there's a lot of nuance tucked inside that fact. Here's what you should know about gender pay inequality.

Take elementary and middle school teachers, for example. Women hold more than 70% of the jobs, yet men still earn more for the same role. Male teachers earn a median of $1,096 a week, whereas women earn $956 -- about 87 cents to the man's dollar.

The gap is even more pronounced in some other everyday professions. In retail sales, women earn 70 cents to the dollar, and among full-time lawyers, women earn 83 cents.

The new working paper, which covered the broadest group of people over time, found that between ages 25 and 45, the gender pay gap for college graduates, which starts close to zero, widens by 55 percentage points. For those without college degrees, it widens by 28 percentage points.

Much of that happens early in peoples careers, during womens childbearing years. The American Economic Review paper, which examined people born around 1970, found that almost all of the pay gap for college graduates came from ages 26 to 33.

Women ages 25 to 34 earned 93 cents for every dollar a man in the same age group earned on average.

In 2014, employed people worked an average of 7.8 hours on the days they worked. More hours were worked, on average, on weekdays than on weekend days8.1 hours compared with 5.7 hours. On the days they worked, employed men worked 52 minutes more than employed women. This difference partly reflects women's greater likelihood of working part time. However, even among full-time workers (those usually working 35 hours or more per week), men worked longer than women8.4 hours compared with 7.8 hours.

In a post published on Liberty Street Economics, the blog of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the researchers said that a regression analysis of data from the American Community Survey found that, among recent college graduates aged 22 through 27 near-parity in pay is the new norm. The data from 2009-2013 on education and earnings together with a number of demographic characteristics showed women earning an average of 97 cents for every dollar earned by men with the same degrees in the same jobs, it said.

Of the 73 majors examined, young women actually earned as much or more than their male counterparts in 29 of them, including an 11 percent wage premium for treatment therapy majors and a 16 percent wage premium for recent female grads with social services degrees.

I'd say you're missing the point, whereby it's a question of whether women are shuttled to women appropriate jobs by societal expectations, and whether society values those jobs less because they are expected to be women jobs.

If you look at "women vs men", women make less (that's where the magical 70-80 cents per dollar number comes from)
https://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/equal-pay-day-2015/

If you look at "women vs men in the same career" women make less (sometimes), but it's closer
https://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/equal-pay-day-2015/

If you look at "women vs men in the same career at the same level" it's even closer and the gap is usually explained by women quitting to raise a child or returning after a career gap
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/upshot/the-gender-pay-gap-is-largely-because-of-motherhood.html

If you look at "women vs men in the same career at the same level with the same job experience" women still technically make less, but because men work more overtime
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/25/gender-pay-gap-facts/

https://stats.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm

If you look at "women vs men in the same career at the same level with the same experience working the same hours" the gap completely vanishes.
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/15/gender-wage-gap-narrows-for-new-women-college-grads-fed-research.html

Any statistic that argues anyone "overall" makes less than anyone else is selling you a steaming plate of shit because it's blending low and high paying jobs, full and part time jobs, careers with and without gaps, overtime and no overtime, etc all together in a meaningless way.

i didnt see american hustle so i dont know what co-stars she's comparing herself to, but demanding you make as much as leo decaprio is a weak hill to die on, even if the roles were the same

name, status, tenure, they all count towards your paycheck. i'm working in the exact same role as an older guy in my company, but i know for a fact he's making more because he's been with the company for a lot longer and has a lot more direct experience doing what we do.

is it fair? no. but it's how things are. it has nothing to do with gender in this case.

How can you admit he has more experience and has been with the company longer , then immediately complain it is unfair he makes more money? Those are two of the main factors regarding who gets paid what amount.

Because we're both doing the exact same thing. We're both held to the same metrics that are quantifiable and measurable. We are both hitting those metrics at a similar rate. When something can easily be put into numbers like this, everything else is irrelevant. If anything, it's ageist to pay me less just because I'm younger. We're still held to the same goals and standards, so why am I rewarded less?

For the same reason why you get a pay raise each year even though the work you're doing doesn't change. If you can understand why you deserve more next year for the same amount of work you're doing today then you can understand why this person that's been there for many years is making more than you.

For the same reason why you get a pay raise each year even though the work you're doing doesn't change. If you can understand why you deserve more next year for the same amount of work you're doing today then you can understand why this person that's been there for many years is making more than you.

Pretty much. And he admitted the guy has more experience

Dude even said it's ageist xD you work somewhere longer , you get paid more. Pretty simple concept

Which, if you think about it, makes no sense. Now I'm not insane, I'm not going to reject a raise to defend this dumb principle just because nothing is changing. But logically, it makes no sense to suddenly get more money for, like you said, not changing anything about my work.

No, that's just you asking a different question. If people want to argue over whether women are shuttled to careers they don't want based on societal expectations, we should explore that. If you want to argue that there needs to be better child care so that women don't feel compelled to quit, I'm all for that discussion too. Both of those are great points and real issues that could be worked on.

If people stopped writing articles with headlines about how women make less than men, filled with data from studies where people analyze the wages of those two groups, and instead started writing articles filled with data and headlines about how when surveyed women are less happy with their career choice, then we would be in a much better position.

Pretty much. And he admitted the guy has more experience

Dude even said it's ageist xD you work somewhere longer , you get paid more. Pretty simple concept

It's definitely not a different question. Conditional estimate vs unconditional estimate of the same quantity is just a different way of looking at the same thing, subdividing it in different ways. The unconditional estimate has all the problematic aspects I described, and what people try to do is sweep all of them under the rug of "personal career choice" by uncritically saying things like "if you correct for career choice the gap goes away!".

Women in the same career at the same level with the same experience working the same hours make the same amount as men.

Women in the same career at the same level with the same experience working the same hours make the same amount as men. Given the evidence provided, do you agree or disagree? Let's just take the original question off the table first before we get any further off topic.

Just false. It's not that case that every equivalent job is paying the exact same salary. And also salary is often set by interviews which are already intersubjevtive experiences.

On average? Sure, approximately correct. There are cases like professional careers where this is systematically untrue (faculty members in academia show a systematic gap in salary and prestige).

Okay. Well I was under the impression we were talking about a gap in pay between two people working the same job, which is obviously discrimination. You seem to be talking more about a gap between professions which I don't disagree with, but I also believe that's a far more complicated question that you most certainly couldn't summarize in a headline like "women make less money than men".

I can't even imagine being uninformed enough to believe gender pay gap in this current time.

Read the links I posted above. It's objectively true.