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s0nicfan
09/07/22 5:32:26 PM
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g0ldie posted...
this isn't true.

also, when Rwanda was a German colony, the Germans (and eventually the Belgians) propped up the Tutsi as being the superior ethnic group over the Hutu, even though neither initially saw each other as that (it was more of a class thing). iirc, the Germans were so impressed by how the Tutsi governed the country, they saw them as a lost European people's.

but after years of that, when the Europeans left, they gave the power to the Hutu majority, and years of mistreatment led them treating the Tutsi like second-class citizens.

that, on top of propaganda that the Tutsi were outsiders, had much of the Hutu ready to kill the Tutsi, and that's what happened after the Hutu president was assassinated.

edit: sorry, they weren't seen as European, but more European.

I understand that there are some parallels, but Hutu killing Tutsi isn't the same a Germans killing Germans. Magneto obsessed over being betrayed by "his" people, not by a different ethnic group that lived in the same region. That's why he decided that "his" people were mutants and he can never accept Xavier's vision of the future because his betrayal at the hands of "his own people" is proof mutants can never live side-by-side with humans. Then later he invented the term Homo Superior to justify his oppression of humans, becoming the very monster he sought to destroy.

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g0ldie
09/07/22 5:41:22 PM
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what I'm saying, though, is that someone with a Tutsi father and a Hutu mother, for example, would be seen as Tutsi, and vice-versa if the ethnic groups of the parents switched.

so you had people who were intermingled, who loved each other, but who had to kill the other when the calls came, so that same level of betrayal existed. family killed each other.

there were also cases where the Tutsi were killing other Tutsi alongside the Hutu, and Hutu who were killed during the genocide.

so it's a lot more nuanced than that.

plus, people saw themselves as Rwandans, but had their ethnicities stamped on their identification cards, but it's a small country where people knew each other in their communities.

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CommonStar
09/07/22 5:50:04 PM
#53:


This is Disney, I don't think they'll be going that deep into it.
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s0nicfan
09/07/22 5:51:32 PM
#54:


g0ldie posted...
what I'm saying, though, is that someone with a Tutsi father and a Hutu mother, for example, would be seen as Tutsi, and vice-versa if the ethnic groups of the parents switched.

so you had people who were intermingled, who loved each other, but who had to kill the other when the calls came, so that same level of betrayal existed. family killed each other.

there were also cases where the Tutsi were killing other Tutsi alongside the Hutu, and Hutu who were killed during the genocide.

so it's a lot more nuanced than that.

plus, people saw themselves as Rwandans, but had their ethnicities stamped on their identification cards, but it's a small country where people knew each other in their communities.

At the end of the day, I'm sure it will be fine, and I also recognize that trying to keep Magneto tied to the Holocaust is a losing battle. I just think there's something very specific about the circumstances and how the character has evolved over time that can't be transplanted to a different genocide without losing a little something along the way.

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Alteres
09/07/22 5:54:42 PM
#55:


Everyone between John and Denzel I feel I should know but have no idea, one was the office dude apparently though after looking at the pic

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11110111011
09/07/22 5:57:08 PM
#56:


Don't care. Superhero movies are played out. Do something different.
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g0ldie
09/07/22 5:58:41 PM
#57:


s0nicfan posted...
At the end of the day, I'm sure it will be fine, and I also recognize that trying to keep Magneto tied to the Holocaust is a losing battle. I just think there's something very specific about the circumstances and how the character has evolved over time that can't be transplanted to a different genocide without losing a little something along the way.
if it means anything, I don't think the Rwandan Genocide would have happened had the Germans not colonized it, and brought their concepts of race.

but on the other hand, the Holocaust was partly inspired by Californian eugenicists, so idk.

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Onimusha
09/07/22 6:03:41 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
More Mr Fantastic ?

Could be great


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dancing_cactuar
09/07/22 6:07:58 PM
#59:


masterpug53 posted...
Might actually be some truth to the rumor that Giancarlo will play Professor X, which would be awesome.
I hate to admit it, but Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, The Boys, and Payday have distorted Giancarlo Esposito's image for me to the point where I cannot in any capacity imagine him playing a character like Xavier.

NonDairyMiltank posted...
glad to hear Boyega getting another shot at screentime after he was done dirty with Star Wars
You should see Breaking, the movie's alright but Boyega really takes it to another level.

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hockeybub89
09/07/22 6:09:05 PM
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11110111011 posted...
Don't care. Superhero movies are played out. Do something different.
Why would Marvel Studios do something that isn't superhero movies?

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Blue_Popo
09/07/22 6:31:48 PM
#61:


John krasinski as the new black panther
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VampireCoyote
09/07/22 6:39:13 PM
#62:


It would be great if Henry Cavell played Hyperion considering he is almost a parody of Superman in a lot of ways

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DrizztLink
09/07/22 6:41:39 PM
#63:


masterpug53 posted...
I had no idea the MCU would ever land Denzel, but if they truly have, I suddenly find myself hoping he'll play Magneto.
I was coming in trying to think of who could be a match for Esposito's Xavier and there it fucking is.

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MARKINGRAM22
09/07/22 6:50:10 PM
#64:


What has John boyega done that was good?
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DrizztLink
09/07/22 6:53:08 PM
#65:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
What has John boyega done that was good?
Attack the Block is a fucking masterpiece.

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Alteres
09/07/22 6:54:17 PM
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Fuck me, was he one of the bad guys in that before they all started fighting the monsters?

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g0ldie
09/07/22 9:48:05 PM
#67:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
What has John boyega done that was good?
a movie called Breaking, where people are comparing his performance to Denzel's

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Smashingpmkns
09/07/22 9:58:00 PM
#68:


Jodie Comer is so fine ngl

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:09:43 PM
#69:


To extrapolate on some of these rumors another leak is saying:

- Krasinski is indeed playing 616 Reed, opposite Jodie Comer as Sue in Matt Shakman's Fantastic Four
- Henry Cavill will be playing an important Avenger from Jonathan Hickman's run who ISN'T Hyperion
- Amazing Spider-Man 3 is in early development and Andrew Garfield is in early negotiations to be in another project besides Secret Wars where Marvel Studios will have a hand in it
- Ross Lynch is a frontrunner to play Johnny Storm with Rudy Pankow also being considered

Keep in mind these are all rumors and should be taken with a grain of salt. But they mostly line up with other things being said

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DarthAragorn
09/07/22 10:11:06 PM
#70:


Really not a fan of changing Magneto's origin story. At all.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:12:24 PM
#71:


DarthAragorn posted...
Really not a fan of changing Magneto's origin story. At all.

I agree. I think Denzel could be a great Magneto but the character really should remain Jewish

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g0ldie
09/07/22 10:12:52 PM
#72:


it's just an unsubstantiated rumor at this point

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Smashingpmkns
09/07/22 10:14:10 PM
#73:


They should go with someone else for Reed Richards imo. Sure he only had a few lines but Krasinski fell flat af for me in DS2.

also I think changing Magneto's backstory is inevitable at this point whether we like it or not. Denzel Washington as Magneto would be insane.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:15:49 PM
#74:


Smashingpmkns posted...
They should go with someone else for Reed Richards imo. Sure he only had a few lines but Krasinski fell flat af for me in DS2.

I really think it's a case of him not having much to really work with.

I think I remember one of the main cast members saying he didn't even film his scene in the same room as them

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Smashingpmkns
09/07/22 10:20:01 PM
#75:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I really think it's a case of him not having much to really work with.

I think I remember one of the main cast members saying he didn't even film his scene in the same room as them
That's like half of how those movies are filmed though. A quarter of these actors have probably never even met eachother on set.

Compared to the other Illuminati characters he felt the most out of place. Just seemed like some dude.

I also don't like him as an actor very much so I'm incredibly biased

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ScazarMeltex
09/07/22 10:23:54 PM
#76:


I get not wanting to change Magneto's backstory but I also don't see how you can keep it with the holocaust being 80 or so years ago at this point, which means even if he was a kid he'd be 85-90 in modern times. I guess you could do some shenanigans with mutant's aging slower or something to make up for it. You could easily just make him a victim of a different, slightly more modern genocide like Rwanda or Bosnia and accomplish the same thing.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:27:06 PM
#77:


Smashingpmkns posted...
That's like half of how those movies are filmed though. A quarter of these actors have probably never even met eachother on set.

Compared to the other Illuminati characters he felt the most out of place. Just seemed like some dude.

I also don't like him as an actor very much so I'm incredibly biased

Tbf, the other Illuminati members were all actors who had previous experience in their roles. John was the only newcomer

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:31:43 PM
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Also another leak. It appears that Wakanda Forever is currently doing some reshoots. Many people are speculating that these will be for Doctor Doom's scene, given it lines up with rumor that Marvel has already decided on an actor.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/07/22 10:35:38 PM
#79:


s0nicfan posted...
trying to keep Magneto tied to the Holocaust is a losing battle.

They could just Steve Rogers the dude. Magneto escapes the nazis, convenient plot device has him in stasis until whatever period they want Xavier to be from, resume the traditional dynamic between the two.

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DarthAragorn
09/07/22 10:39:01 PM
#80:


ScazarMeltex posted...
I get not wanting to change Magneto's backstory but I also don't see how you can keep it with the holocaust being 80 or so years ago at this point, which means even if he was a kid he'd be 85-90 in modern times. I guess you could do some shenanigans with mutant's aging slower or something to make up for it. You could easily just make him a victim of a different, slightly more modern genocide like Rwanda or Bosnia and accomplish the same thing.

Kim_Seong-a posted...
They could just Steve Rogers the dude. Magneto escapes the nazis, convenient plot device has him in stasis until whatever period they want Xavier to be from, resume the traditional dynamic between the two.
He's a fucking mutant.

Magnetic powers make him age slower. Done.

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g0ldie
09/07/22 10:42:00 PM
#81:


I also think that when they're introduced, the X-Men and mutants will be established in some way in-universe (or multiverse), so if Magneto is shown, it doesn't necessarily need to be during a current timeline.

like, they could be fighting him in the 90s, or something.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/07/22 10:44:42 PM
#82:


g0ldie posted...
I also think that when they're introduced, the X-Men and mutants will be established in some way in-universe (or multiverse), so if Magneto is shown, it doesn't necessarily need to be during a current timeline.

like, they could be fighting him in the 90s, or something.

IDK though, I feel like Magneto is such an iconic baddie they'll probably want to keep him around for present-day MCU stuff

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g0ldie
09/07/22 10:47:57 PM
#83:


true.

but I mean maybe not have him be so old in his first encounter with the X-Men and then have him (and the rest of them) be older in later encounters.

unless if he joins them later on.

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FortuneCookie
09/07/22 10:49:22 PM
#84:


KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Hmm, the X-men with Magnetos rage born from segregation and racism in the USA instead of the holocaust. Denzel would be great at that.

Survivor of Rwandan genocide
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HornyLevel
09/07/22 10:54:20 PM
#85:


gikos posted...
i would love the maker to make his debut but i feel he needs a lot of build up for him to be done justice and then there is my hope of seeing ether onslaught or shuma gorath (enough with the teasing disney) as the big major villain for the mcu
Yeah, I guess the build up would have to start real soon for them do to anything with Phase 5 and 6.

I was just thinking that they're bound to do a character that will be played by two different actors, one from the MCU and one being either a refugee or invader from another universe.

I liked that multiple Spidey concept in No Way Home, but the other two ended up being quick guests if anything.

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SSMajinVegeta2
09/07/22 10:54:53 PM
#86:


Bring on Denzel

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masterpug53
09/08/22 8:46:36 AM
#87:


dancing_cactuar posted...
I hate to admit it, but Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, The Boys, and Payday have distorted Giancarlo Esposito's image for me to the point where I cannot in any capacity imagine him playing a character like Xavier.

I think we'll all get used to it. Try to focus on how good he was at playing a calm, collected, soft-spoken authoritative figure as Gus (on a good day, at least). Maybe he could bring an edge to the character where he's constantly fighting the urge to give everyone on the planet a massive aneurysm because he's so sick of everyone's bullshit (I don't know the character very well outside of the movies, but DoFP at least touched on a dark period of Xavier's life where he was pretty much over giving a shit).

DarthAragorn posted...
He's a fucking mutant.

Magnetic powers make him age slower. Done.

https://imgur.com/GlF86sN

I mean, everyone just loved it when the McAvoy / Fassbender timeline skipped a decade between movies and none of these characters seemed to age in the slightest, right?


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Hornezz
09/08/22 8:59:33 AM
#88:


If not Magneto, then I hope Denzel gets to play Blue Marvel.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/1/AACpnzAADpqj.jpg

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/08/22 9:02:50 AM
#89:


Hornezz posted...
If not Magneto, then I hope Denzel gets to play Blue Marvel.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/1/AACpnzAADpqj.jpg

You know...I was thinking of someone Denzel would be besides Magneto and I totally forgot how much of a perfect fit he'd be for this character.

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g0ldie
09/08/22 9:05:02 AM
#90:


maybe John Boyega can play a younger version and Denzel in the modern day

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Xethuminra
09/08/22 11:59:19 AM
#91:


Samuel L Jackson's Nick Fury has *always* been a huge highlight of the MCU since before it was even the MCU technically. They adapted his character straight out of the Ultimate comics, if you remember those. A big part of that appeal is because he's black. I mean, he's arguably a bigger icon of representation and role modeling than Black Panther. He's the real leader or founder and driving force behind the Avengers. He can do no wrong, but his character gets political and has more real world compromises than a super hero. He doesn't beat people up, but he's actually willing to break a few more eggs than any Avenger. So, now we have Kang which is awesome but hasn't proven itself to be up to snuff in those departments. Kang is a villain anyway, so it will just be different and comparing him with Fury over Thanos or something probably isnt unfair or risks being offensive, or outright dumb, but anyway

Casting a black Xavier and a black Magneto could reach those points again for the audience with the benefit of subtly addressing racial tensions in the MCU, which tend to have gotten pretty high with stuff like Falcon becoming Captain America, and a lot of new characters who are played by minorities, and this just on obviously leads to a question of equality both within and outside of the MCU. I mean, half their American audience is probably black. So, I'm okay with this. I'm excited for it. As a huge plus, they don't really have to compete with the other X-Men movies for looking comic accurate, and like Guardians of the Galaxy they have a chance to reinvent X-Men altogether. Racial tension could make it as a relevant as ever. Vs the 2000 X-Men which was kind of a freaks, geeks, sex, and god thing.
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Blue_Popo
09/10/22 10:07:03 PM
#92:


So much for this
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