Current Events > What do you think about this Bill Maher segment on men in crisis?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgUHyXr7_Y

Thoughts?

I think I'm not gonna watch it

Antifar posted...

I think I'm not gonna watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYDsI5mP-V8

Online dating has extended Chad range too far.

It's an interesting topic, but I've been removed from the dating pool for so long that I can't even relate to how things are now.

Anyone willing to take the hit to sum up?

We all know TC won't.

If you are a guy who grew up without a father figure and have no friends, you're fucked

he's the one having a crisis: a midlife one.

I'd be more interested in a video covering the time TC melted down over a character in HotD being played by a black guy

CyricZ posted...

Anyone willing to take the hit to sum up?

We all know TC won't.

I watched a little, and it talked about how less guys are going to college, and how women aren't as willing to date those less educated than them.

a lot of guys in their 30s haven't had sex.

they aren't connecting to their jobs, aren't getting dates, and increasingly becoming less qualified than women, and stuff like that, and how that kinda environment leads to bitter, broken men.

I stopped watching, though.

CyricZ posted...

Anyone willing to take the hit to sum up?

We all know TC won't.

It's five minutes.

g0ldie posted...

I watched a little, and it talked about how less guys are going to college, and how women aren't as willing to date those less educated than them.

a lot of guys in their 30s haven't had sex.

they aren't connecting to their jobs, aren't getting dates, and increasingly becoming less qualified than women, and stuff like that, and how that kinda environment leads to bitter, broken men.

I stopped watching, though.

Sounds like they should go to college or get educated someway else

CyricZ posted...

Anyone willing to take the hit to sum up?

We all know TC won't.

Basically, younger men, teens and early 20's, are getting lonelier and lonelier. They aren't getting attached to their jobs, their school, the opposite sex, as they have in the past, and it's causing many men to struggle to find their "purpose in life".

There are A LOT more "independent women" then there are men. Women are graduating college at a near 2:1 ratio to men, are less like to marry someone that doesn't have a degree or are their "financial inferior". This creates men getting rejected A LOT, causing a feeling that they lack any sort of worth in today's society.

I really have no real opinion on this one way or the other, as I am SO far removed from being in this situation, in both age and relationship status. I really have no idea what the modern young, single, male is going through.

I have a Masters Degree I guess that puts me ahead of a lot of men? I never really though that going to school would help me with women besides actually when I was in college and had an easier time meeting girls

bigblu89 posted...

Basically, younger men, teens and early 20's, are getting lonelier and lonelier. They aren't getting attached to their jobs, their school, the opposite sex, as they have in the past, and it's causing many men to struggle to find their "purpose in life".

There are A LOT more "independent women" then there are men. Women are graduating college at a near 2:1 ratio to men, are less like to marry someone that doesn't have a degree or are their "financial inferior". This creates men getting rejected A LOT, causing a feeling that they lack any sort of worth in today's society.

I really have no real opinion on this one way or the other, as I am SO far removed from being in this situation, in both age and relationship status. I really have no idea what the modern young, single, male is going through.

I'm pretty removed from the situation too, but it's still an interesting subject.

I would hate to be a single young man in today's climate.

Pizza posted...

I have a Masters Degree I guess that puts me ahead of a lot of men? I never really though that going to school would help me with women besides actually when I was in college and had an easier time meeting girls

Well that should help you get money, alot of money can be pretty attractive...

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It may be corny but I always try to stress that college isn't just about getting a job; it helps become a better citizen in our communities. Generally I just get laughed at...

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As, to add, it make many kids/young adults a lot more social than they were in high school.

Especially "dorm life", where you're almost forced to interact with strangers.

FaultyCircuitry posted...

Sounds like they should go to college or get educated someway else

like youtube videos

I watched it. The "men in crisis" issue does indeed seem legitimate to me. And if those statistics they cite are correct, like only 1 in 3 men under age 30 have had sex in the past year, that's fairly concerning.

But after the first minute or so, they quickly veer off into nonsense. Claiming that the answer is for workers to go back to the office?? Blaming smartphones for everything? And then it turns into yet another beat-this-dead-horse tirade about Tinder, etc.

So yeah. There is a real problem to address here. But the video doesn't identify the actual root causes and doesn't offer good solutions.

We need more education opportunities, and we need more opportunities for education that aren't college, and such opportunities need to not be looked down on by society

TheOnionKnight posted...

like only 1 in 3 men under age 30 have had sex in the past year, that's fairly concerning.

Did it go into detail about how many of these men had been seeking sex in the past year?

Like if men are feeling distress or poor mental health that's certainly a problem worth addressing, but are they saying it's because they're not having sex, or is not having sex simply a symptom of that?

CyricZ posted...

Did it go into detail about how many of these men had been seeking sex in the past year?

No. It's very skimpy on details. Most of the video is just them whining about smartphones.

Speaking for myself, in my twenties:

• I wasn't in the best place mentally.
• My sex life was pretty barren.

One may very well be a function of the other, but I would need some convincing to believe that the reason I had bad mental health was the lack of sex, rather than the other way around.

I'm just a sample size of one, but as my mental health upturned (which was a result of my financial situation improving, becoming more independent, and thus, more confident), so too did my sex life, if marginally.

Nowadays I still don't have a lot of sex and yet I don't really feel it's something I need to be fulfilled, but that could simply be a function of me getting older and my natural sex drive diminishing.

More men feel they are entitled to success while women feel they need to prove it. So women try to achieve for their future and standings. Men who don't go to school and give up join shit like Patriot Front.

AmericaTheBrave posted...

It's five minutes.

That's a long time to spend with Bill Maher.

TheOnionKnight posted...

But after the first minute or so, they quickly veer off into nonsense. Claiming that the answer is for workers to go back to the office?? Blaming smartphones for everything? And then it turns into yet another beat-this-dead-horse tirade about Tinder, etc.

This may be old man yelling at clouds of me, but "back in my day" people actually interacted face to face. That is a HUGE part of the social construct of the world. I look at what the last 2 years did to many kids the same age as my kids, they have almost no social skills beyond interacting with each other.

And as someone with only a peripheral experience with dating apps, though friends and relatives, it sounds exhausting and demoralizing form the "straight male" aspect. I can't imagine what it does to the psyche to sit at home and literally get rejected 50-60 times a night, and 90% of the time it happening without ever knowing what you did wrong, or even if you did anything wrong.

If you take away the messenger, and just look at the message, there seems to be a ton of truth in this video.

I'm surprised he didn't blame video games tbh

Most the married men I know make much less than their wives.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I'm surprised he didn't blame video games tbh

That's old hat. It's been proven too many times that video games have little influence. Especially now, where playing video games online is sometimes the one interaction some people have with the outside world.

WingsOfGood posted...

Most the married men I know make much less than their wives.

Mind me asking how old you are, and how old those couples are?

It seems like through most of the 2000s into the mid 2010's there was less weight put on who it was that made the money in a relationship. Definitely much less than there was in the 80's and 90's.

It seems to have come back around though, as young men feel that "being a man" is now frowned upon, and women are becoming more and more the "powerful sex" in society.

I'm not saying that's how I feel, just what I've observed. I have no problems with my sugar momma :)

Interesting most of them are about 30 or older with younger wives.

Some pretty big age gaps too

Antifar posted...

I think I'm not gonna watch it

Mearcstapa posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYDsI5mP-V8

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The bald Boomer guy is somehow more out of touch than Bill.

WingsOfGood posted...

Interesting most of them are about 30 or older with younger wives.

Some pretty big age gaps too

That could be the reason. 30+ is still an age that remember "life before the internet" and possibly has the social skills to interact with the opposite sex in social settings.

There's A LOT of people 25 and under that have no idea what to do with themselves if they're caught in a social setting without their phones to fall back on.

not gonna watch but, men benefit greatly from marriage, and overwhelmingly the reason women married them is because they had to. i don't doubt that men are in crisis but the answer has to be something other than finding them wives because it's not gonna happen.

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I agree with you 100%. Women are fighting harder to get ahead because they almost have no choice.

silverpine posted...

not gonna watch but, men benefit greatly from marriage, and overwhelmingly the reason women married them is because they had to. i don't doubt that men are in crisis but the answer has to be something other than finding them wives because it's not gonna happen.

I don't think the point was finding them wives, but just the general idea of getting them into more social situations, where they can see there's people out there that actually want to talk to them an hear what they have to say.

As opposed to just sitting at home and getting rejected time and time again from people on dating sites because their opening line was "Hi" instead of "Hello". Or whatever silly reason people give to not interact on dating sites.

Again, I'm way out of the loop on those things. I met my wife at a house party, and have never been on a dating site.

bigblu89 posted...

That's old hat. It's been proven too many times that video games have little influence. Especially now, where playing video games online is sometimes the one interaction some people have with the outside world.

True, yeah. It's more of a symptom than a cause...

I hope something can be done for younger guys. Also something has to be causing this all... But they just talked about stuff that makes the situation worse

It doesn't even make sense to say that the government just wants low skill workers because many guys will refuse work entirely.

Didn't watch and just going to by default assume that it's uninformed, uninsightful and stupid.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

True, yeah. It's more of a symptom than a cause...

I hope something can be done for younger guys. Also something has to be causing this all... But they just talked about stuff that makes the situation worse

It doesn't even make sense to say that the government just wants low skill workers because many guys will refuse work entirely.

Their speculation is the lack of physical interaction is causing way too many men to become introverted, and just shitting down to society.

It them becomes a circle, where their lack of social skills cause them to not be able to interact with the opposite (or same) sex. So there's less and less men getting dates, apparently getting laid , etc.

Doesn't help that the control on dating apps swing heavily in favor of the female, and the 2:1 Male:Female ration on apps cause A LOT of men to get rejected. Like I said before, I can't imagine getting rejected or no answers on 50-60 "swipes" is a good thing for someone's well being.

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Didn't watch and just going to by default assume that it's uninformed, uninsightful and stupid.

I'm not really a fan of his, but how come Bill Maher is Mr. "OK Boomer" to everyone, EXCEPT for when he's talking about how terrible Trump is?

bigblu89 posted...

And as someone with only a peripheral experience with dating apps, though friends and relatives, it sounds exhausting and demoralizing form the "straight male" aspect. I can't imagine what it does to the psyche to sit at home and literally get rejected 50-60 times a night, and 90% of the time it happening without ever knowing what you did wrong, or even if you did anything wrong.

This is the beating-a-dead-horse thing I mentioned. Yeah, dating apps can be exhausting. No, they're not responsible for all these problems. They're just an easy target. And while people might be less comfortable socializing in person (I say "might" because I don't know if it's really true), this video is just complaining about the same old "blah blah only Chad has a chance on dating apps blah blah" which is wrong. Focusing so much on dating apps is counterproductive, and almost a distraction from deeper issues.