Current Events > Apparently, the live action Pinocchio remake removed the smoking and beer...

(+) Yeah! (+)

...From the Pleasure Island scenes.

The kids don't smoke at all, and they're drinking root beer instead.

...Way to miss the entire point...

They also changed the ending

This would be acceptable if they stole the pink elephant acid trip scene from Dumbo and somehow used that instead.

It also removed the quality.

Also, Monstro is now a sea monster instead of a sperm whale, and he looks more like Sin from Final Fantasy X if Sin had tentacles

I think it was fine. They still made their point about terrible kids being terrible.

The movie also seemed to make Pinnochio less of a jerk than in the animated film. Whereas the cartoon version would blatantly disobey Jiminy and get himself into trouble, this version actually did listen to Jiminy's advice more often than not. Instead, the film found ways to separate the two so Pinnochio was left without a conscience at all. So the pleasure island scene was more about dealing with peer pressure than it was about Pinnochio just wanting to do whatever he wanted. So the beer and smoking scene wouldn't have fit in this movie because Pinnochio's motivation for going there was different. He didnt actually want to engage in the tomfoolery. He was kinda forced into it.

I honestly hope decades from now Disney gets absolutely trashed on by critics and historians for what they are doing now

^ at the very least, this remake has been trashed by critics.

Nobody really understands the point of what they're watching and I don't know if it starts with companies like Disney or if audiences are just too stupid and the companies give up trying to have it make sense.

When people think of Lion King, they often think of "Hakuna Matata" even though the point of the movie is about Simba fully rejecting that philosophy and going back home to accept his responsibilities as king or whatever. But it's a catchy memorable song! It must be the message of the movie!

Turtlemayor333 posted...

When people think of Lion King, they often think of "Hakuna Matata" even though the point of the movie is about Simba fully rejecting that philosophy and going back home to accept his responsibilities as king or whatever. But it's a catchy memorable song! It must be the message of the movie!

To be fair, the part where Rosencrantz and Guildenstern gorge themselves on beetles and tell Hammy to get over his dead dad is the best part of Hamlet.

Damn_Underscore posted...

I honestly hope decades from now Disney gets absolutely trashed on by critics and historians for what they are doing now

JRR Tolkien was trashing Disney for this shit before it was cool.

While he was shopping around a Hobbit animated movie:

I recognize [Walt Disney's] talent, but it has always seemed to me hopelessly corrupted. Though in most of the 'pictures' proceeding from his studios there are admirable or charming passages, the effect of all of them to me is disgusting. Some have given me nausea [...]

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It might be advisable [...] to let the Americans do what seems good to them as long as it was possible [...] to veto anything from or influenced by the Disney studios (for all whose works I have a heartfelt loathing).

It seems to me he didn't like Disney as a person/company while still acknowledging his ability.

These remakes aren't even well-made

Damn_Underscore posted...

It seems to me he didn't like Disney as a person/company while still acknowledging his ability.

These remakes aren't even well-made

He liked the animation ability of Disney but not the interpretations of the Fairy tales he stole. Something like Snow White and the Seven Dwarves isn't even remotely close to the original tale or mythically accurate in any way. That's what his problem was. He died before little mermaid was made but that one would have really sent him over the edge. The original tale is a horrifically depressing story with no moral besides you will literally kill yourself if you try to pursue your desires.

Tyranthraxus posted...

JRR Tolkien was trashing Disney for this shit before it was cool.

While he was shopping around a Hobbit animated movie:

I wonder what he'd think of Amazon making a LOTR show lol

Smashingpmkns posted...

I wonder what he'd think of Amazon making a LOTR show lol

He'd probably be okay with it. Seems respectful to the source material. Even if it's total shit he would still find it preferable to what would happen as a Disney animated movie.

https://youtu.be/nM2Wz6NdPZs

Apparently, the live action Pinocchio remake removed the smoking and beer...

Yeah, I didn't have high hopes for this flick, even with Tom Hanks involved.

There's certain plot points that IMO would have been better off remaining the way they originally were. And Pleasure Island was one of them, commercialized modern censorship be damned. I knew this story arch was going to get the nanny treatment and it's impact felt neutered this time around. The original showcased adult vices of the time that children should steer clear of or face consequences of hard-hitting naivety. This version felt meh...

I think I finally tapped out after seeing a tiny wooden puppet paddling a large piece of a boat at a strong pace like a motor. I know it's based on a fable, but that scene looked ridiculous and lazy. It looked like Looney Tunes, not Disney.

The central character was also the roughest looking on screen for most of the movie. Disney could have done better.

So is the consensus that this is entirely skippable?

DrizztLink posted...

To be fair, the part where Rosencrantz and Guildenstern gorge themselves on beetles and tell Hammy to get over his dead dad is the best part of Hamlet.

Thank you for this

Dreepapult posted...

So is the consensus that this is entirely skippable?

thats today's Disney in general

its like the owners WANT to sink the franchise for other investments, like it looks so deliberate at this point its a meme lol

LMAO

It's like the cooperate heads finally pulled Tom's number and said " you had a good run, but it's your turn to be sacrificed ah hyuck hyuck ".

Ah, to be Disney management, have a ton of money and power at your disposal but no creative, technical or social know how to make good films.

It never added them. Its a different movie. I mean Gepetto also never gets swallowed by Monstro and lives inside him for a while. Because it did some thing differently.

The new version sucks.

Tyranthraxus posted...

He died before little mermaid was made but that one would have really sent him over the edge. The original tale is a horrifically depressing story with no moral besides you will literally kill yourself if you try to pursue your desires.

I don't think that's true. I think it's meant to be a happy story given the morals of the time.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think that's true. I think it's meant to be a happy story given the morals of the time.

It's an allegory for going to heaven but the actual events of the story are fucking awful from start to finish. It's like Cinderella if her sister's foot could fit into the glass slipper and then she chokes on ashes and dies in the end.

From the director of Back to the Future, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Forrest Gump...

With all due respect, is it really creativity if you copy a fairy tale down to its exact details? Walt Disney not sticking to the source material is a good thing imo, and something all book fans, comic or otherwise, need to understand. Just because it's "book-accurate" that doesn't make it good, or at the very least, the only way to be good.

This is in reference to Tolkien's comments more so than this thread. I think Walt didn't just want to make great animation, but good stories too.

PiOverlord posted...

With all due respect, is it really creativity if you copy a fairy tale down to its exact details?

that was Disney's initial framework for the movie anyway
they only tweeked it enough from the original plot to call it "new"
its a franchise that periodically crapped out "classic re-releases" for years as obvious cash grabs

this is not much different lol

Hayame_Zero posted...

From the director of Back to the Future, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Forrest Gump...

Who also hasn't made a good movie in twenty two years.