Current Events > I forgot how OW is nearly unplayable

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People who do nothing all match getting upset that they didn't get carried to a win and choosing a role to blame(Usually tanks saying it's a dps diff, spoiler alert if the game is being played correctly your tanks and supports matter a lot more than one bad or average dps)

increase of general toxicity since i guess OW is about to twilight soon

the matches already taking forever to get into

and general lack of balance changes

Yeah I'm not sure what you expected

OW was struck a fatal blow when they added role lock and it's been bleeding out ever since.

role lock quick play is a good reminder that most people have no idea what they are talking about lmao. The amount of blame i've seen going around has been insane. Even basic functions like
1) If you guys have no kill zone, it's a tank issue
2) If nothing is dying it's a dps issue
3) if everyone keeps dying, it's everyones issue
and 4) if tanks can't push because they have no heals it's a support issue
is lost on the average player

ran into another keyboard hero saying that i shouldn't be losing to tracer as doomfist(I didn't and never engaged them 1 on 1, not Doomfists job) so I told them i never lost to the Tracer and that maybe as an Ana they could have slept the roadhog so it wouldn't have decimated them and they flew into a rage at the suggestion

i can totally imagine them as a hardstuck gold

That game has the quickest turn around from pretty rad to unbearable. It's a shame...

I stopped playing when we couldn't all go Torbjorn

I had the most fun with double winston or junkrat teams.

I'd say it stopped being fun even before role lock.

ZMythos posted...

I had the most fun with double winston or junkrat teams.

I'd say it stopped being fun even before role lock.

I just don't understand why they didn't keep a casual fun mode, they tuned it to serous business mode at all times instead

bnui_ransder posted...

I just don't understand why they didn't keep a casual fun mode

Isn't No Limits a permanent game mode? Edit: Or do you mean even the Arcade stuff is too sweaty/tryhard?

worst fucking esport ever. honestly makes LoL feel like an easy-to-solo game in comparison

i'm sure OW2 and its epic fortnite battle passes will completely change everything

best was when they had random mode, since no one could yell at you for a "bad pick" anymore
quick play was full of toxic tryhards that would constantly scream at you for not picking "the meta" when you just want to have fun

Super high dps means nothing if the group doesn't focus target and kill enemies. I get not capping heads and insta killing with McCree like PC pros but for real, if everyone is trying to kill one opponent each then of course you'll never get a kill without an ult.

I can't STAND multiplayer games with small teams. 5-6 has been the rage for a while with these MOBAs and Hero Shooters. I get that it's supposed to be a manageable size to get some friends or a small professional team together. It also happens to be the perfect size to maximize player toxicity. It's small enough for a player to pick someone to particularly blame and harass, and it's big enough for someone to handwave their own shortcomings and not try to improve because one player's excellence isn't enough to carry.

Something like TF2's 12v12 is more ideal. There, a player can have no skill, but their shortcoming is minimized by the team size and they are unlikely to be harassed by anyone. Allowing mid-match enters also helps these players by obfuscating scoreboard meaning. On the flipside, skill ceiling and player agency is still enough that individual great players can thrive and meaningfully push the objective.

A large team size like that is less conducive to e-sports leagues. But you know what, team e-sports kinda sucks fundamentally at everything but spectating a very high level of paid professionals.

Ok

Disabling duplicate heroes sucked most of the fun out of the game

Hero/role lock or whatever sucked out what fun was left

game sucks and the people who play that game suck

i personally think people will be very patient and sensitive with the 1-tank system, and will not immediately blame them for every loss

They sure did ruin a good thing with obsessive "E-sports" design philosophy.

They already had a best in class esport. StarCraft 2. What happened to it? They just abandon that because it was developed by the old guard and the new blizzard wants their own shit?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

They already had a best in class esport. StarCraft 2. What happened to it?

not even starcraft 2 players think this

Gobstoppers12 posted...

They sure did ruin a good thing with obsessive "E-sports" design philosophy.

yeah letting brig ruin the game for over a year was out of "esports design philosophy"

rest assured they pander a LOT to the shitters, it's just that they're bad at that too

KhlavicLanguage posted...

yeah letting brig ruin the game for over a year was out of "esports design philosophy"

rest assured they pander a LOT to the shitters, it's just that they're bad at that too

I'm not saying they know how to balance in general, but the whole idea of role-locking and forced team comp situation put a pretty big dent in my group's enthusiasm to play it. Suddenly, you weren't able to flex and switch your team comp to better suit the situation. Players couldn't trade off being tank or support or DPS based on the way the game was flowing or how the players were feeling.

The fun of the game in the early days was adapting on the fly and picking a team comp to suit the situation. I'm fine with the whole "only one of each hero" decision, that makes sense, but locking people into roles for an entire match was really lousy.

viewmaster_pi posted...

i personally think people will be very patient and sensitive with the 1-tank system, and will not immediately blame them for every loss

Hah. All it'll lead to is dps picking the more dps focused tanks (like roadhog in ow) and flanking for solo kills or whatever. And it's why I don't even care anymore about the franchise.

Also the whole "every Japanese character is a ninja" thing.

order of blame for losses
DPS for not being MLG and killing everyone instantly
Tanks for not taking infinite damage and/or feeding
Supports for not healing people through every point of damage even if physically impossible

MJOLNRVII posted...

Isn't No Limits a permanent game mode? Edit: Or do you mean even the Arcade stuff is too sweaty/tryhard?

Oh did they make a game mode? I had dropped it a long time ago and never went back

I imagine the only people left playing it are the obsessive tryhards. Probably one of my favorite games in a long time in the early days, but Blizzard got committed to wiping away all the fun from it to cater to all the esport wannabes.

I was watching some of my old uploaded gameplay the other day, and since comp shit the bed a while ago, I think the most fun I still had was trying to do the achievements on the PVE/event modes.

And even that got unbearable after a while when they thought garbage like "clear with no deaths" or "survive against three Junkrats, Roadhogs, and Symmetras at once" were feasible.