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Smackems
09/21/22 8:55:00 PM
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I'm kinda iffy bout some Japanese weaponry so I'll take your word for it lol

And yeah they were sometimes samurai themselves. That'd help them get into court and higher ups' areas of residence

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MarcyWarcy
09/21/22 8:56:07 PM
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hema guys are the worst
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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 8:56:57 PM
#104:


Smackems posted...
Depends on if there were aliens to see

how ya like that throwback

Not sure I get it, but is this in reference to the person or people doing that at Area 51?

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:58:08 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
Not sure I get it, but is this in reference to the person or people doing that at Area 51?
Ye!

MarcyWarcy posted...
hema guys are the worst
Yeah busting myths and learning how shit really went is just awful

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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 8:59:07 PM
#106:


okay cool lol just wanted to be sure (and took me a minute to remember that)

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KnightofShikari
09/21/22 9:02:12 PM
#107:


only skimmed the topic but i thought the folding katana stuff was so that the impurities were more evenly spread out rather than somehow removing impurities? don't remember which show said it but i kinda recall that bit. they wanted the impurities evenly spread so that you wouldn't have a distinct weak point in the sword

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Scohen
09/21/22 9:02:32 PM
#109:


ROBANN_88 posted...
So, about the "Katana had inferior steel, so they had to fold it" thing
Is it that the iron located in the area was metallurgically bad, or was it that their smelting technique was bad?

the iron from the island of Japan (naturally occurring) was notoriously bad. So bad that the Japanese sword craftsmen developed amazing smelting and forging techniques.

but it was not enough to compensate that they had shitty steel to begin with


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Smackems
09/21/22 9:06:04 PM
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Wouldn't they just use what everyone around them used to not stand out?

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ROBANN_88
09/21/22 9:06:20 PM
#111:


Scohen posted...
the iron from the island of Japan (naturally occurring) was notoriously bad. So bad that the Japanese sword craftsmen developed amazing smelting and forging techniques.

but it was not enough to compensate that they had shitty steel to begin with

So, if one were to use their amazing smelting but with actually good iron, that'd make like super-steel?

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:07:13 PM
#112:


ROBANN_88 posted...
So, if one were to use their amazing smelting but with actually good iron, that'd make like super-steel?
They would make

Ultima Weapon

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Scohen
09/21/22 9:08:18 PM
#114:


ROBANN_88 posted...
So, if one were to use their amazing smelting but with actually good iron, that'd make like super-steel?

to a point, yes.

the access to superior iron would make all that folding and layering unnecessary

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ROBANN_88
09/21/22 9:08:32 PM
#115:


Also, i fully agree on the Gladius
When it comes to swords, that will always be my first love


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Scohen
09/21/22 9:08:49 PM
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were they made the same way?

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:13:48 PM
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Got ya

ROBANN_88 posted...
Also, i fully agree on the Gladius
When it comes to swords, that will always be my first love
Since I started learning this stuff I've really started liking spears an awful lot

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PiOverlord
09/21/22 9:18:53 PM
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Spears are not superior to swords, NO! I won't listen to this!

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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 9:20:48 PM
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yeah. I literally just learned about the length classification system earlier when I was looking stuff up to figure out that Nagimaki, so I would have been able to answer that question if you hadn't but I wouldn't have known (or would have had to guess) before this topic lol

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:21:27 PM
#121:


PiOverlord posted...
Spears are not superior to swords, NO! I won't listen to this!
Swords are better sometimes

Wise man once said "context"

A sword coupled with a shield is a whole nother ballgame

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 9:22:45 PM
#122:


PiOverlord posted...
Spears are not superior to swords, NO! I won't listen to this!
LOL, imagine the range you have with a Bow & Arrow.

Don't forget about Joerg Sprave and his "Instant Legolas" invention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJnyQ-bZLU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy_bJQaD3Uc

It would've changed the Archery game back then.

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ROBANN_88
09/21/22 9:23:45 PM
#123:


Smackems posted...
Since I started learning this stuff I've really started liking spears an awful lot

If we're talking polearms, i'd prefer a nice Halberd

To be clear, i'm just talking aestethics. Halberds are sexier, i of course know nothing on how they handle


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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 9:32:21 PM
#125:


ROBANN_88 posted...
If we're talking polearms, i'd prefer a nice Halberd

To be clear, i'm just talking aestethics. Halberds are sexier, i of course know nothing on how they handle

in original diablo 2 I made a runeword in the strongest form of the halberd weapon (Great Poleaxe) and it was the best runeword in the game at the time. I'm not sure if it was the best option for polearms since the game didn't have it's own built in dps calculation system, but it was indeed the sexiest one lol

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rodu_jr
09/21/22 9:32:50 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn36Pb8z3yI
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Smackems
09/21/22 9:33:59 PM
#127:


ROBANN_88 posted...
If we're talking polearms, i'd prefer a nice Halberd

To be clear, i'm just talking aestethics. Halberds are sexier, i of course know nothing on how they handle
I still like a plain or winged spear

I appreciate the other crap but I like a good

Shaft

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:35:01 PM
#128:


rodu_jr posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn36Pb8z3yI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vYFFx4whoE&t=643s
There's a video of people trying to make fighting with lightsabers more realistic but I'm too lazy to find it. One was yellow

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 9:36:32 PM
#129:


Smackems posted...
I still like a plain or winged spear

I appreciate the other crap but I like a good

Shaft
I wouldn't mind a Telescoping Spear that you could adjust the length of dynamically.

Imagine being able to adjust the length of your Spear on the fly =D

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:40:17 PM
#130:


Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...
I wouldn't mind a Telescoping Spear that you could adjust the length of dynamically.

Imagine being able to adjust the length of your Spear on the fly =D
Would that make it prone to fucking up

It'd still be cool tho. I want a nice spear to hang on my wall but it's way down on the list of things to get

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 9:44:56 PM
#131:


Smackems posted...
Would that make it prone to fucking up

It'd still be cool tho. I want a nice spear to hang on my wall but it's way down on the list of things to get

Depends on how you engineer the telescoping shaft mechanism along with what materials you choose.

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Scohen
09/21/22 9:45:54 PM
#132:


Here is a nice trivia for us sword people:

in medieval Europe swords were at one point reserved for nobles. But knives werent. So peasants found a loophole and they developed the falchion/bracamarte, which is technically a sword-sized knife.

what is the difference between a sword and a giant knife? I dont know.

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:48:33 PM
#133:


Scohen posted...
Here is a nice trivia for us sword people:

in medieval Europe swords were at one point reserved for nobles. But knives werent. So peasants found a loophole and they developed the falchion/bracamarte, which is technically a sword-sized knife.

what is the difference between a sword and a giant knife? I dont know.
Think it's the handle

But even that is probably up in the air

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 9:48:44 PM
#134:


Scohen posted...
Here is a nice trivia for us sword people:

in medieval Europe swords were at one point reserved for nobles. But knives werent. So peasants found a loophole and they developed the falchion/bracamarte, which is technically a sword-sized knife.

what is the difference between a sword and a giant knife? I dont know.
The Political Elites were always trying to restrict what weapons us lowly peasants could wield / own.

Even back in the Medieval era, it's asinine and Elitest.

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Scohen
09/21/22 9:49:58 PM
#135:


Smackems posted...
Think it's the handle

But even that is probably up in the air

something about the blade going or not going into the handle, but I never understood it, I am not sure that rule holds today?

thanks for reminding me :)

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/21/22 9:50:46 PM
#136:


also, weren't most people not properly trained in sword fighting and most of the time they just fought by swinging the blade wildly at each other?

i mean sure, knights and whatnot fought with pride but i highly doubt it was all as cinematic as we hope it was. or maybe i'm wrong.

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:51:26 PM
#137:


Scohen posted...
something about the blade going or not going into the handle, but I never understood it, I am not sure that rule holds today?

thanks for reminding me :)
Lot of the knives were made with two pieces of wood together on either side of the bottom of the blade? Hell idk. Gladius might

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LightHawKnight
09/21/22 9:52:15 PM
#138:


Anyone watch the hilariously stupid weird history video on how armor was useless and you are better off not wearing any? Apparently armor is so heavy that a regular human cant wear it for long and will overheat and die. Helmets and plate body armor are useless cause they can be caved in with a warhammer. And if you wear armor, there are weak points that the enemy can target!

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Smackems
09/21/22 9:53:56 PM
#139:


LightHawKnight posted...
Anyone watch the hilariously stupid weird history video on how armor was useless and you are better off not wearing any? Apparently armor is so heavy that a regular human cant wear it for long and will overheat and die. Helmets and plate body armor are useless cause they can be caved in with a warhammer. And if you wear armor, there are weak points that the enemy can target!
Yeah just go naked

Worked for the Germanic and Celtic people against the Romans

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Smackems
09/21/22 10:00:43 PM
#141:


Yay I was right

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rodu_jr
09/21/22 10:01:53 PM
#142:


GuerrillaSoldier posted...
also, weren't most people not properly trained in sword fighting and most of the time they just fought by swinging the blade wildly at each other?

i mean sure, knights and whatnot fought with pride but i highly doubt it was all as cinematic as we hope it was. or maybe i'm wrong.
knights would have been trained, nobles would have access to training, local boobs not so much
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TerraSeeker
09/22/22 12:26:20 AM
#144:


The one I got is 1.03m long. It's not heavy, but I definitely can't use it properly unless I put on some muscle.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/22/22 1:13:56 AM
#145:


@Gladius_

Here's a "Tactical Gladius" for you to evaluate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RQ315z5LXY

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/22/22 1:50:29 AM
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Crazyman93
09/22/22 4:42:21 AM
#148:


rodu_jr posted...
knights would have been trained, nobles would have access to training, local boobs not so much
Which is why you put the local boobs in a big square and gave them all essentially pointy sticks to thrust at each other.

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Crazyman93
09/22/22 4:52:01 AM
#149:


St0rmFury posted...
Let's talk about curved swords now.
Great at slashing, okay at chopping, not good at thrusting since the point is out of line with the arm. A cutlass is better at chopping than slashing because it was a specialized saber made for the confines of fighting in ships, where you're not gonna have room to do conventional slashes. Though the main use of sabers and other curved swords were cavalry.

Smackems posted...
Well also japanese weapons were made to use against Japanese armor or lack of. They would have had adapted if they needed to against full plate, they just didn't really encounter it
Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to ramble at with my circular evolution thing. No good reason to make a sword that can go through a solid plate of steel if no one is wearing it.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...
There are situations where Iaijutsu / Batojutsu is faster than traditional sword techniques.
I doubt that personally, but I'll take your word for it. Really the value I see in the draw techniques is more because for most of the samurai class's existence, swords were a last resort weapon, so it makes sense to me you'd develop ways to draw and attack at once if someone got way too close for the bow and arrow or spear.

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Evening_Dragon
09/22/22 10:06:49 AM
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lmaoooo

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