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Think about it: It's where all the love, joy, peace, and worship takes place for eternity....sounds like life on earth on a nice island without the eternity part. And you have God sitting on his thrown with angels...right. Why does he just sit there? What does he do? Just sounds like a story made for kids. Imagine being in heaven for eternity. That's a long damn time. I would get bored after a few thousand years. A death where you don't exist makes a lot more sense...and is a lot more palatable. Even reincarnation makes more sense. The universe is almost nigh-infinite. I'm sure there are amazing worlds and aliens that you could be reincarnated into. It would be more interesting than spending eternity in heaven.

It's not real and it's a silly concept.

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EDIT: literally who the fuck is poster #2 and why am I blocked lmfao hahahahha I've literally never seen that name before in my life

And fuck. Imagine spending eternity with some other assholes in heaven. We get neighbors in heaven right? How does it even work? God doesn't sound very fun either.

I'd rather not exist lol

Take something you enjoy, do it for eternity, eventually it would become torture.

Heaven is supposed to be filled with all of your loved ones, right? the idea is that you won't miss anyone, or something, right? well, what if you have loved ones who didn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior so they got sent to hell.

We can only perceive what our stupid monkey brains allow us to. It's self absorbed to think a place you can't possibly understand is impossible.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

We can only perceive what our stupid monkey brains allow us to.

which is why psychedelics are cool. open the doors of perception, man.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

which is why psychedelics are cool. open the doors of perception, man.

Agree. I never lifted into another world. But the perception change it has allowed me to view was already insane. And it made me feel love without all the things that usually crowd around it and drag it down. It definitely showed me that everything I perceive on the day to day is insanely limiting in the grand scheme

It was an answer to the unknown and gave people a peace of mind about what happened to their loved ones. You can see how this concept can be used to easily manipulate others.

i never liked the idea of a heaven-like afterlife with conditions on getting in.

so you spend maybe 70-90 years on earth being good or bad, and then as a result, you spend THE REST OF ETERNITY, CENTURIES UPON CENTURIES, MILLENNIA UPON MILLENNIA in a place based on that?! why!?

what the fuck!?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

We can only perceive what our stupid monkey brains allow us to. It's self absorbed to think a place you can't possibly understand is impossible.

What is there to understand about eternity? That's infinite. After a few thousand years, you would be very bored. You would have seen and experienced everything...Hmm what is in heaven? Is it just clouds? Dude, if heaven was just clouds, that'd be even more boring. But if it was like a reality where you can have anything you want and live however you want anywhere...eventually that would be boring too. Your mind/soul would be oversaturated. Eventually after several thousand years, you would be a soulless person. Nothing would faze you. Time, reality, people, love, joy, all of it....you'd just have no feelings for it anymore. Heaven just sounds likes a virtual reality where you can have infinite pleasure...but we know too much of anything isn't good either. I don't want that. I want to either not exist anymore...or be reincarnated.

Crescente posted...

What is there to understand about eternity? That's infinite. After a few thousand years, you would be very bored. You would have seen and experienced everything...Hmm what is in heaven? Is it just clouds? Dude, if heaven was just clouds, that'd be even more boring. But if it was like a reality where you can have anything you want and live however you want anywhere...eventually that would be boring too. Your mind/soul would be oversaturated. Eventually after several thousand years, you would be a soulless person. Nothing would faze you. Time, reality, people, love, joy, all of it....you'd just have no feelings for it anymore. Heaven just sounds likes a virtual reality where you can have infinite pleasure...but we know too much of anything isn't good either. I don't want that. I want to either not exist anymore...or be reincarnated.

You're really leaning into the idea that boredom has to exist everywhere lol. All your thoughts are attached to the human experience. There's more than just the human experience. That's the self absorbed part that you can't see. You assume you're already at the very top of all existence. Which, we all do subconsciously. Because humans are self absorbed by nature. We are all blinded by being self absorbed. It's part of this specific journey. Why does it have to be the only journey tho? What if our human experience is simply a part of a much bigger thing we are?

Heaven seems like a boring place. You can't do half of the thing you could when you were alive because its a sin.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

Heaven seems like a boring place. You can't do half of the thing you could when you were alive because its a sin.

I have some unconventional thoughts on this, if folks are interested.

Crescente posted...

Heaven sounds like a make-believe place for kids

It is.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're really leaning into the idea that boredom has to exist everywhere lol. All your thoughts are attached to the human experience. There's more than just the human experience. That's the self absorbed part that you can't see. You assume you're already at the very top of all existence. Which, we all do subconsciously. Because humans are self absorbed by nature.

Well that means we wouldn't be humans anymore...we'd be something else. We'd be some kind of being that is...beyond human that can exist forever without going insane. Sounds weird. Sounds like we would just be...energy or particles.

Gremlynn posted...

I have some unconventional thoughts on this, if folks are interested.

Im very interested. Well, Im like 4 paragraphs interested tops

Maybe our existence is just blind luck. We're not special, we don't have souls.

Our memories and behaviours are just chemicals firing inside our brain.

If a machine were to make an exact copy of you, neither you or the copy would be real or fake.

Crescente posted...

Well that means we wouldn't be humans anymore...we'd be something else. We'd be some kind of being that is...beyond human that can exist forever without going insane. Sounds weird. Sounds like we would just be...energy or particles.

Yeah. Tbh, I pulled the convo away from the conventional heaven you were talking about. That's on me for doing the ol switcheroo. But I just believe thinking this is it is all just our human tendency to feel so self important. Hell, maybe after this we will all occupy the same energy or particle and become one. I dunno. Speaking of boring tho. What's more boring than cutting off all theories on what's after this :p

i wouldn't be ME without some negative emotions. heaven sounds like a lobotomy

Cobra1010 posted...

Maybe our existence is just blind luck. We're not special, we don't have souls.

Our memories and behaviours are just chemicals firing inside our brain.

If a machine were to make an exact copy of you, neither you or the copy would be real or fake.

Lol. Now you made my theory make me look even more self absorbed than the average human. Good game.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're really leaning into the idea that boredom has to exist everywhere lol. All your thoughts are attached to the human experience. There's more than just the human experience. That's the self absorbed part that you can't see. You assume you're already at the very top of all existence. Which, we all do subconsciously. Because humans are self absorbed by nature. We are all blinded by being self absorbed. It's part of this specific journey. Why does it have to be the only journey tho? What if our human experience is simply a part of a much bigger thing we are?

We become god when we die?

assboobsgames posted...

We become god when we die?

We could turn into what we perceive as humans as God. Who knows.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Why does it have to be the only journey tho? What if our human experience is simply a part of a much bigger thing we are?

That's why I'm saying reincarnation makes more sense. Heaven seems redundant and pointless. It's not worth having an infinite amount of joy and pleasure. You will become numb to it after a few hundred years. After one trillion years, it won't even be pleasure anymore. The full cycle of pleasure, pain, hope, suffering is what makes life worth living. Maybe a heaven that exists for a thousand years would work, and then you get reinserted back to reality. I can do that.

OP definitely isn't a fan of Belinda Carlisle

Crescente posted...

That's why I'm saying reincarnation makes more sense. Heaven seems redundant and pointless. It's not worth having an infinite amount of joy and pleasure. You will become numb to it after a few hundred years. After one trillion years, it won't even be pleasure anymore. The full cycle of pleasure, pain, hope, suffering is what makes life worth living. Maybe a heaven that exists for a thousand years would work, and then you get reinserted back to reality. I can do that.

Has anyone on earth ever became numb to happiness? Id love to meet that person. Why do you assume something no one has ever experienced is possible? Is that part of the argument against an afterlife? Assuming what none of us experienced can't be real.

Also, you're attaching us to things we've been manipulated to believe is normal to achieve happiness. Money and indulging in stuff is all things do to avoid the darkness of the world we currently live in. We have no experience living somewhere that darkness doesn't exist. That darkness taints everything we can enjoy here

Heaven sounds like a place were you worship god for eternity. Surrounded by your dead family. No dogs, because they are "unclean".
Sounds like hell.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Yeah. Tbh, I pulled the convo away from the conventional heaven you were talking about. That's on me for doing the ol switcheroo. But I just believe thinking this is it is all just our human tendency to feel so self important. Hell, maybe after this we will all occupy the same energy or particle and become one. I dunno. Speaking of boring tho. What's more boring than cutting off all theories on what's after this :p

How does thinking this is all there is being self important? We go back to the earth just like every other living thing on this planet.

If anything, thinking we are special and transcend into a place where we live for eternity is self important...

I got shot, aargh, the murder was heinous
The bullet went in my eyeball and out my anus
And I was hit, that was it, on the spot
Flash, I woke up in a parking lot
And I'm sittin' in a '64 on Ds
With Shaggy Dope written on the car keys
I look around I can't believe that it's possible
I'm dead and I made it to The Carnival
I walk in, it's everything I dreamed of
Everybody and they mama got Clown Luv
Japanese, Lebanese, and Chinese
Portuguese, and Southwest ghetto g's.
Hangin' out with redneck truck drivers
Instead of always givin' each other piledrivers
I see my old homey, he died in a drag
Chillin' with two bitches, "What up, Shaggs?"
And he passed me a blunt like a tree trunk
I tried to hit it, but couldn't even fuck with it
And to think, I always been afraid to die
But I ain't never goin back to wonder why

Ar0ge posted...

How does thinking this is all there is being self absorbed? We go back to the earth just like every other living thing on this planet.

If anything, thinking we are special and transcend into a place where we live for eternity is self absorbed...

I already admitted to my theory being self absorbed :3. But who knows. Im just giving alternatives. If I believe anything Im saying, Id become complacent in my beliefs and don't wanna do that. Im just talking

TC where did you get your info on Heaven? Because, like most like you, every question you asked is answered in the Bible. I'm not even religious, but google'ing at minimum is not a difficult thing to do >_>

The_Wheelman1 posted...

Heaven seems like a boring place. You can't do half of the thing you could when you were alive because its a sin.

It depends. There's actually some very interesting caveats and interpretations of it.
One I like a lot is how the Bible implies the customization of your own section of heaven in several of its passages, all but outright saying that you can erase your memory, be reborn into "God's land" (The Universe, not just Earth), live a life, pass away, and return to heaven with all your memories restored and the memories of the life you just lived anew. Repeat as often as you want, along with the infinite other things possible in your personal heaven.

I dunno. I just think it's weird how so many atheists are afraid to do research on it to find out what's actually said about it. You're not gonna get struck by lightning for doing so.
Then again, for a god they believe doesn't exist, that's a lot of fear to have for them to not want to research even a little bit :x

obligatory Talking Heads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZpZuIWu1tw

Everyone is trying to get to the bar
The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven
The band in Heaven, they play my favorite song
They play it once again, they play it all night long
Heaven (Heaven) is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Heaven (Heaven)
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
There is a party, everyone is there
Everyone will leave at exactly the same time
It's hard to imagine that nothing at all
Could be so exciting, could be so much fun
Yeah, Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Yeah, Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
When this kiss is over, it will start again
It will not be any different, it will be exactly the same
It's hard to imagine that nothing at all
Could be so exciting, could be this much fun
Heaven (Heaven) is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Im very interested. Well, Im like 4 paragraphs interested tops

Ok so, based on most if not all interpretations of the story of Adam and Eve, the ONLY rule was don't eat off of that one tree, right? Like, that's it. EVERYTHING else was fair game. And the only thing eating the fruit did was bestow knowledge of the fact that some things are good and some things are evil, but clearly not knowledge of which things are what otherwise they would not have immediately felt a sense of shame over their bodies simply existing when previously they knew God was fine with them running around with dick and titties in the wind.

Now, human beings are naturally curious folk, and crave new sensory inputs. Suffering also did not exist in the garden. So, when Adam eventually gets curious and wonders how Eve's butt feels, it by default could not be an agonizing experience. And it's not on the list of things we can't do. So have fun. Then Adam is all like "wait I have that same hole!". And it's not like there were jobs or chores. It was literal paradise. Wake up, fuck, eat a fig, fuck, take a nap, roll in the grass just cause, fuck, climb a tree, pet that weird animal, nap again... rinse repeat indefinitely. Once these sensations are discovered and liked, there's no obligations or responsibilities to prevent rampant hedonism.

And revisting the note of suffering, it's also generally recognized that vulnerability to sickness and disease and physical degeneration of any kind came AFTER we left the garden. So no risk of getting weird infections from doing ass to mouth, and likely no risk of genetic diseases caused by incest. Without sin there would also not be weird abusive power dynamics at the core of many sexual relationships.

Basically, the Garden of Eden was the closest thing to heaven on earth, and I believe prior to eating the fruit it was lined up to become one big sweaty bisexual orgy.

the good place had an interesting concept of heaven in its final season
basically everything in heaven is always perfect so eventually everyone who lives there basically becomes a mindless happiness zombie with no motivation or genuine happiness. they got bored into losing themselves. the main characters actually fix heaven like they did hell. they created a door that when you are done with heaven you can choose to walk through this door which will make you seemingly cease to exist and like eleanor said life only has meaning because it ends. so she made an end to heaven and it improved everything

lennethsoki posted...

TC where did you get your info on Heaven? Because, like most like you, every question you asked is answered in the Bible. I'm not even religious, but google'ing at minimum is not a difficult thing to do >_>

I did...it's just a bunch of bullcrap lol. "God will be with you so you'll never be bored", "See God as he truly is" - I have no idea what that even means. It's just nonsense that you would tell kids.

Gremlynn posted...

Ok so, based on most if not all interpretations of the story of Adam and Eve, the ONLY rule was don't eat off of that one tree, right? Like, that's it. EVERYTHING else was fair game. And the only thing eating the fruit did was bestow knowledge of the fact that some things are good and some things are evil, but clearly not knowledge of which things are what otherwise they would not have immediately felt a sense of shame over their bodies simply existing when previously they knew God was fine with them running around with dick and titties in the wind.

Now, human beings are naturally curious folk, and crave new sensory inputs. Suffering also did not exist in the garden. So, when Adam eventually gets curious and wonders how Eve's butt feels, it by default could not be an agonizing experience. And it's not on the list of things we can't do. So have fun. Then Adam is all like "wait I have that same hole!". And it's not like there were jobs or chores. It was literal paradise. Wake up, fuck, eat a fig, fuck, take a nap, roll in the grass just cause, fuck, climb a tree, pet that weird animal, nap again... rinse repeat indefinitely. Once these sensations are discovered and liked, there's no obligations or responsibilities to prevent rampant hedonism.

And revisting the note of suffering, it's also generally recognized that vulnerability to sickness and disease and physical degeneration of any kind came AFTER we left the garden. So no risk of getting weird infections from doing ass to mouth, and likely no risk of genetic diseases caused by incest. Without sin there would also not be weird abusive power dynamics at the core of many sexual relationships.

Basically, the Garden of Eden was the closest thing to heaven on earth, and I believe prior to eating the fruit it was lined up to become one big sweaty bisexual orgy.

Lol. That's not where I expected you to go with it.

Gremlynn posted...

bisexual

Homosexual. Eve was just Adam's rib, thus she was a dude.

ellis123 posted...

Homosexual. Eve was just Adam's rib, thus she was a dude.

Likely a mistranslation. She was actually his baculum.

Tbf I dont think Jesus every really spoke about heaven. That all came later when the bible was edited by whatever power that he wanted it to be.

Gremlynn posted...

Ok so, based on most if not all interpretations of the story of Adam and Eve, the ONLY rule was don't eat off of that one tree, right? Like, that's it. EVERYTHING else was fair game. And the only thing eating the fruit did was bestow knowledge of the fact that some things are good and some things are evil, but clearly not knowledge of which things are what otherwise they would not have immediately felt a sense of shame over their bodies simply existing when previously they knew God was fine with them running around with dick and titties in the wind.

Now, human beings are naturally curious folk, and crave new sensory inputs. Suffering also did not exist in the garden. So, when Adam eventually gets curious and wonders how Eve's butt feels, it by default could not be an agonizing experience. And it's not on the list of things we can't do. So have fun. Then Adam is all like "wait I have that same hole!". And it's not like there were jobs or chores. It was literal paradise. Wake up, fuck, eat a fig, fuck, take a nap, roll in the grass just cause, fuck, climb a tree, pet that weird animal, nap again... rinse repeat indefinitely. Once these sensations are discovered and liked, there's no obligations or responsibilities to prevent rampant hedonism.

And revisting the note of suffering, it's also generally recognized that vulnerability to sickness and disease and physical degeneration of any kind came AFTER we left the garden. So no risk of getting weird infections from doing ass to mouth, and likely no risk of genetic diseases caused by incest. Without sin there would also not be weird abusive power dynamics at the core of many sexual relationships.

Basically, the Garden of Eden was the closest thing to heaven on earth, and I believe prior to eating the fruit it was lined up to become one big sweaty bisexual orgy.

Quality post

Gremlynn posted...

Likely a mistranslation. She was actually his baculum.

She'd still be a dude.

lennethsoki posted...

One I like a lot is how the Bible implies the customization of your own section of heaven in several of its passages, all but outright saying that you can erase your memory, be reborn into "God's land" (The Universe, not just Earth), live a life, pass away, and return to heaven with all your memories restored and the memories of the life you just lived anew. Repeat as often as you want, along with the infinite other things possible in your personal heaven.

Now this one makes more sense. Even still though, after a few million years of doing this, you would have seen everything there is to see - imagine a quintillion years. What happens after the heat-death of the universe in a trillion, trillion years? Where do we go there? Does God just make a new universe and start over, ad-infinitum? All I know is, the heaven that a lot of humans think about just doesn't make sense.

Gremlynn posted...

Ok so, based on most if not all interpretations of the story of Adam and Eve, the ONLY rule was don't eat off of that one tree, right? Like, that's it. EVERYTHING else was fair game. And the only thing eating the fruit did was bestow knowledge of the fact that some things are good and some things are evil, but clearly not knowledge of which things are what otherwise they would not have immediately felt a sense of shame over their bodies simply existing when previously they knew God was fine with them running around with dick and titties in the wind.

Now, human beings are naturally curious folk, and crave new sensory inputs. Suffering also did not exist in the garden. So, when Adam eventually gets curious and wonders how Eve's butt feels, it by default could not be an agonizing experience. And it's not on the list of things we can't do. So have fun. Then Adam is all like "wait I have that same hole!". And it's not like there were jobs or chores. It was literal paradise. Wake up, fuck, eat a fig, fuck, take a nap, roll in the grass just cause, fuck, climb a tree, pet that weird animal, nap again... rinse repeat indefinitely. Once these sensations are discovered and liked, there's no obligations or responsibilities to prevent rampant hedonism.

And revisting the note of suffering, it's also generally recognized that vulnerability to sickness and disease and physical degeneration of any kind came AFTER we left the garden. So no risk of getting weird infections from doing ass to mouth, and likely no risk of genetic diseases caused by incest. Without sin there would also not be weird abusive power dynamics at the core of many sexual relationships.

Basically, the Garden of Eden was the closest thing to heaven on earth, and I believe prior to eating the fruit it was lined up to become one big sweaty bisexual orgy.

10/10

Will God and the people in heaven be mad at us if we ever find immortality? Think about that lol. We can no longer die. God's just up there waiting for us...like where are all the souls? We could theoretically create our own heaven one day far in the future.

In a way, we're already getting there by curing diseases, and prolonging our lives. I wonder how God feels about that.

ellis123 posted...

She'd still be a dude.

miss me with that transphobic nonsense. Regardless of the circumstances of her creation, in all interpretations Eve clearly presented and identified as female. If you want to argue that being born of a man's body made her a man, then really you're just arguing that Eve would have been the first trans woman.

(but really the most likely thing is that early humans noticed the scar-like scrotal raphe where other primates had a bone to support the penis and believed we used to have one until God ripped it out to make Women, then future translations somehow shifted the story to being Adam's rib.)

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Heaven is supposed to be filled with all of your loved ones, right? the idea is that you won't miss anyone, or something, right? well, what if you have loved ones who didn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior so they got sent to hell.

I guess fuck em' according to God. I guess you're fucked too if you have any doubts.

Gremlynn posted...

miss me with that transphobic nonsense. Regardless of the circumstances of her creation, in all interpretations Eve clearly presented and identified as female. If you want to argue that being born of a man's body made her a man, then really you're just arguing that Eve would have been the first trans woman.

(but really the most likely thing is that early humans noticed the scar-like scrotal raphe where other primates had a bone to support the penis and believed we used to have one until God ripped it out to make Women, then future translations somehow shifted the story to being Adam's rib.)

Hmm, good point.

It would still be transphobic to call it bisexual then.

Heaven and hell in the common mindset aren't a thing. Very few are in heaven right now. Everyone else that has died is just in the grave. Heaven will be established on Earth in the end of this era. After book of revelations stuff.

There is no hell. You either get into the kingdom or you're burned in the fire. But when you're burned in the fire you just cease to exist. You don't suffer for eternity. Those concepts of hell are borrowed from pagan ideas like the Greeks.