Poll of the Day > Bayonetta's VA not reprising her role in 3 because she was only offered $4k

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ArchaeaOttoia posted...

ah yes the one making the assertion wants someone else to prove them wrong

youre so bad at well everything

There is no harm if something like this is revealed. The NDAs protect nothing since there is no harm that can happen happen nor is there any trade secret that needs to be protected since any company can hire a voice actor.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306

ive been waiting for this ever since i found out she was a terf

What a weird stunt this has been. I'm not even sure what she was hoping to accomplish at this point, given how obviously doomed to failure it was because of the actual reality of the situation.

If she'd waited until about 2-3 days before release, this absolutely would have caused some damage, but the damage has been completely reversed by the time the game's been released. It's bizarre how stupid she's acted.

I don't even know that that would have caused much damage. Maybe some cancelled preorders, but anyone following games media closely enough to have learned about the story in the first place would quickly learn about the truth of the matter and buy the game normally instead, and I imagine her dishonesty has been enough to drive some fence-sitters to buy it just to spite her. Even with this list of charities going up, I expect spite donations in her name to be made to pro-abortion organizations and the like.

There's a part of me that's wondering if she was put up to this by another industry figure for the sake of discrediting the movement to improve VA compensation, since she's going to be brought up to paint VA's as just being greedy whenever anyone tries to make progress in that area now. That, or she's gotten involved with some manner of religious organization that demanded that she try to hurt the game as penance for participating in such a... liberal interpretation of judeochristian imagery. Whatever the case, she's accomplished nothing meaningful while pretty much completely tanking any future VA career she might have had. Unless there's some broader ulterior motive, it just seems so inexplicably dumb.

agesboy posted...

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306

ive been waiting for this ever since i found out she was a terf

OOF

I don't really care about someone's politics that much as long as they're not really preachy and vocal about it or put it in their work, so long as it's just their views and not like... they attend neo-nazi rallies.

But I know the twitterati morons that brigaded and simped for her DO care about that deeply. So... lol. Some people who've never touched grass are having a very bad week between realizing "we were working for the villain this whole time?" and...the new management.

agesboy posted...

If she'd waited until about 2-3 days before release, this absolutely would have caused some damage, but the damage has been completely reversed by the time the game's been released. It's bizarre how stupid she's acted.

2-3 days before release would've been the middle of the work week, and it'd have been crushed with facts and logic by Platinum within hours.
She posted on a Friday afternoon/evening for a very specific reason.
Probably could've waited till the following weekend, though. Maybe she was worried it wouldn't "go viral" right away.

streamofthesky posted...

I don't really care about someone's politics that much as long as they're not really preachy and vocal about it or put it in their work, so long as it's just their views and not like... they attend neo-nazi rallies.

If she's openly soliciting donations to anti-abortion organizations, that's going quite a bit beyond "just their views" and well into "seeking to effect harmful social change" territory.

streamofthesky posted...

2-3 days before release would've been the middle of the work week, and it'd have been crushed with facts and logic by Platinum within hours.
She posted on a Friday afternoon/evening for a very specific reason.

Why do you think Platinum wouldn't have brought people in on the weekend to deal with the issue if it were a significant threat to the game's sales? A couple hundred bucks of overtime would be made up for by 5 extra sales, which is nothing in the grand scheme of things. At the very least, a tweet saying "Taylor's claim is inaccurate and misleading, we will provide a formal statement after consulting with our legal department to determine how best to respond" would have been 100% feasible to churn out at any time.

adjl posted...

I don't even know that that would have caused much damage. Maybe some cancelled preorders, but anyone following games media closely enough to have learned about the story in the first place would quickly learn about the truth of the matter and buy the game normally instead, and I imagine her dishonesty has been enough to drive some fence-sitters to buy it just to spite her. Even with this list of charities going up, I expect spite donations in her name to be made to pro-abortion organizations and the like.

There's a part of me that's wondering if she was put up to this by another industry figure for the sake of discrediting the movement to improve VA compensation, since she's going to be brought up to paint VA's as just being greedy whenever anyone tries to make progress in that area now. That, or she's gotten involved with some manner of religious organization that demanded that she try to hurt the game as penance for participating in such a... liberal interpretation of judeochristian imagery. Whatever the case, she's accomplished nothing meaningful while pretty much completely tanking any future VA career she might have had. Unless there's some broader ulterior motive, it just seems so inexplicably dumb.

Pro-choice*

agesboy posted...

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306

ive been waiting for this ever since i found out she was a terf

*buys game*

adjl posted...

Why do you think Platinum wouldn't have brought people in on the weekend to deal with the issue if it were a significant threat to the game's sales? A couple hundred bucks of overtime would be made up for by 5 extra sales, which is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

It's really weird to see the "support VA workers' rights!" brigade ask, "why not just have the corporation last-second cancel some of its workers' weekends to deal some stupid twitter shit storm?"
And why didn't they? Maybe because it could wait till Monday? Maybe because they wanted to take some time and put together their official response, an approach the losers on twitter could learn from.

At the very least, a tweet saying "Taylor's claim is inaccurate and misleading, we will provide a formal statement after consulting with our legal department to determine how best to respond" would have been 100% feasible to churn out at any time.

Kamiya said flat out it was lies, and look how that worked out for him.
He was proven right, and people are STILL trying to justify attacking him.
They had time, no reason to rush to give a response. If anything, the only mistake they made was Kamiya responding at all. Rash responses are usually ones you'll regret.

streamofthesky posted...

It's really weird to see the "support VA workers' rights!" brigade ask,

it's you

you are literally the demographic we worried about when all this shit turned bad

you take bad faith interpretations and push it to the maximum
streamofthesky posted...

Kamiya said flat out it was lies, and look how that worked out for him.

and in the same breath called people insects

kamiya needs a twitter PR person as much as trump did

agesboy posted...

it's you

you are literally the demographic we worried about when all this shit turned bad

WTF are you even talking about?

you take bad faith interpretations and push it to the maximum

And this statement will immediately achieve maximum irony...

and in the same breath called people insects

No, that was an entirely separate tweet from years ago. It couldn't be any further from, "in the same breath".

kamiya needs a twitter PR person as much as trump did

And to cap off one of the most bad faith argument posts I've ever seen, you try to equalize Kamiya with Trump, the guy that incited a terrorist uprising on twitter. Holy shit. Get a grip, dude.

agesboy posted...

it's you

you are literally the demographic we worried about when all this shit turned bad

you take bad faith interpretations and push it to the maximum

and in the same breath called people insects

kamiya needs a twitter PR person as much as trump did

Wat.

streamofthesky posted...

It's really weird to see the "support VA workers' rights!" brigade ask, "why not just have the corporation last-second cancel some of its workers' weekends to deal some stupid twitter s*** storm?"

It'd be one tweet, dude. Literally anyone with access to the corporate account could handle it without getting out of bed and probably claim an hour's overtime for that 30 seconds of work. Heck, an executive could handle that, so it doesn't even have to be some bottom-rung employee having that dumped on them.

I can also pretty much guarantee that, whether they published anything or not, the PR manager was monitoring the situation and communicating with the higher-ups all weekend. That's the nature of PR management: PR situations that need to be handled aren't limited to 9-5 M-F, so sometimes the position is going to require after-hours and weekend work. That's not a bad thing (provided the expectations of the job are made clear from the outset, they're compensated appropriately, and that expectation isn't abused), it's just the nature of the job. I can also pretty much guarantee that same PR person would be working over 1-2 extra weekends even if she released her statement on a Monday, since a situation like this warrants longer-term monitoring to watch how the situation evolves and respond as appropriate. There's also a good chance they're putting in some overtime already because it was two weeks before one of the studio's highest-profile game launches.

That's not to say it couldn't end up being some minimum-wage temp being asked to go into the office to stare at Twitter all weekend, but it very much doesn't have to be, such that assuming that's what I'm suggesting is just plain silly.

streamofthesky posted...

Maybe because it could wait till Monday?

So there was no actual benefit to making the claim on a Friday afternoon, despite you repeatedly bringing it up as though it's a deliberate part of a well-planned slander campaign?

streamofthesky posted...

Maybe because they wanted to take some time and put together their official response, an approach the losers on twitter could learn from.

The official response is "We offered her $15k for the actual job. $4k was for a cameo appearance after she turned down the full job. Proof is available if any journalists want to corroborate this claim." That doesn't take time to put together. What does take time is consulting their lawyers to figure out what they can legally say without violating their end of the NDA or straying into the territory of defaming Taylor, which has nothing to do with taking the time to avoid jumping to conclusions and everything to do with the fact that they're in a position where saying the wrong thing can get them sued.

streamofthesky posted...

Kamiya said flat out it was lies, and look how that worked out for him.

He said the rough equivalent of "It's all lies and if anyone questions me I'll ban them immediately!" That's not exactly a good PR response that's going to do anything to convince anyone that Platinum's in the right. He acted guilty, so people presumed guilt.

As I've said many times throughout this: Game companies categorically do not deserve the benefit of the doubt in questions of employee welfare. There are too many blatant abuses that showcase some of the worst aspects of free market capitalism to presume innocence, such that it can very safely be assumed that any apparent new examples of those abuses are probably legitimate. If they subsequently prove the claims are not legitimate (and actually prove that, none of this "Activision Blizzard has conducted a thorough investigation of Activision Blizzard and determined that Activision Blizzard did nothing wrong" nonsense), then you can let them off the hook, but in terms of public opinion, corporations should be kept on the defensive whenever allegations like this come up. Trust is earned, and the games industry has done the exact opposite of earning that trust.

Now, continuing to try to come up with new ways to criticize the company to avoid changing one's mind after information comes out to prove that the claims against them aren't legitimate? That is indeed stupid. But that's entirely separate from the decision to attack the company as soon as it appeared they had done wrong. Your insistence on conflating them is mistaken.

agesboy posted...

It was Hale's response plus the mass like/retweet spree she went on that helped convince me, I mean. The statement itself was boiler plate, but she began liking the SHIT out of posts calling for everyone to hear all sides of the story, don't believe misinformation, etc. It's like she was aggressively tapping on a sign saying "bro shes lying" because she couldn't say it out loud.

I met her the day after she released her statement >_>. Shit was weird. She was really nice.