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DoesntMatter posted...

"fuck you, i got mine"

I feel this is more of a right wing thing rather than a conservative thing. Libertarians aren't conservatives yet they are peak fu i got mine.

Melzargard posted...

I feel this is more of a right wing thing rather than a conservative thing. Libertarians aren't conservatives yet they are peak fu i got mine.

Libertarians are conservative. At least in the sense that they do not have anything in particular that moves them away from what would be defined as a standard view of "conservatism." Conservatism is largely a loosely connected set of goals that boil down into a couple of ideas; all of which are simply "power must coalesce." Conservatism started as a term for the faction that supported the tribal leader, and it molds to its era. The conservatives from the revolutionary war were the monarchists and because of that are utterly unrecognizable to the current crop of what would be called "conservatives" within that respect. They, however, have the exact same desire that the status quo most not be touched.

So in a generic sense you are correct in that Libertarians are very much in the same "up yours, got mine" mentality, but the idea is that there is no right-wing ideology that isn't in broad strokes some level of "conservative." This is why most people that aren't Libertarian/Republican say that they can't really distinguish between the two as they largely do everything the same way once it comes time for the chips to fall. Even in some things that ideologically *cannot* be reconciled, such as how if Libertarians were at all for no government controls they must be actively against abortion bans yet their party head explicitly stated that they were in support in them, they will entirely fall in line with the Republicans in every single stance.

ellis123 posted...

Libertarians are conservative. At least in the sense that they do not have anything in particular that moves them away from what would be defined as a standard view of "conservatism." Conservatism is largely a loosely connected set of goals that boil down into a couple of ideas; all of which are simply "power must coalesce." Conservatism started as a term for the faction that supported the tribal leader, and it molds to its era. The conservatives from the revolutionary war were the monarchists and because of that are utterly unrecognizable to the current crop of what would be called "conservatives" within that respect. They, however, have the exact same desire that the status quo most not be touched.

So in a generic sense you are correct in that Libertarians are very much in the same "up yours, got mine" mentality, but the idea is that there is no right-wing ideology that isn't in broad strokes some level of "conservative." This is why most people that aren't Libertarian/Republican say that they can't really distinguish between the two as they largely do everything the same way once it comes time for the chips to fall. Even in some things that ideologically *cannot* be reconciled, such as how if Libertarians were at all for no government controls they must be actively against abortion bans yet their party head explicitly stated that they were in support in them, they will entirely fall in line with the Republicans in every single stance.

Name a libertarian party politician that supports government intervention of abortion

yemmy posted...

Name a libertarian party politician that supports government intervention of abortion

I already said it: their party head, Angela McArdle. Even then the party removed the plank on being pro-choice citing that they had no consensus on the position.

The_shibe posted...

it depends on where you live, @kitt .

In the western world, at least the English speaking world and some other euro countries, modern conservatism can be defined as the school of thought where a group of people are protected by the state and legal system, but not necessarily bound by them, while another group of people ("the others") are not protected by the state and legal system, but they are bound by it.

For example, the MAGA wing of the republican party: the 'in' group are white, evangelical/baptist/protestant heterosexuals, with black, hispanic, middle eastern ,arab, and LGBTQ people being the most obvious 'the others' group of people.

Which is odd. Isn't the overall goal of us as a country to work together, cooperate, and help our fellow Americans? Isn't it counterproductive to all of that to have a major political belief system that believes in things like "in-groups" and "out-groups"?

DoesntMatter posted...

you're not going to get any genuine, good faith responses from any of the conservative posters here.

None of the responses before you are genuine, good faith responses.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

None of the responses before you are genuine, good faith responses.

Can you share some of the beliefs from a genuine, Conservative's point of view? It would be nice to have the other perspective to balance things out itt. I know there are some Conservative users here and there on CE and I've been waiting for one to actually chime in.

triggering people that care about others

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

None of the responses before you are genuine, good faith responses.

oh look, here's a conservative poster who is not posting a genuine, good faith response

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

None of the responses before you are genuine, good faith responses.

Mine was.

DoesntMatter posted...

oh look, here's a conservative poster who is not posting a genuine, good faith response

It's starting to become a bit annoying. I really would like to hear out their perspective on the matter for the sake of this topic, but so far, the only people who seems to be disagreeing with the consensus of this topic, who I assume are probably Conservatives, aren't making any counterpoints or explaining their side of the matter. It seems to just be snide remarks and they're gone.
Why is this so hard? I actually want to hear what they have to say.

You are responsible for your own accomplishments and failures. Society isn't out to get you.

Kitt posted...

Which is odd. Isn't the overall goal of us as a country to work together, cooperate, and help our fellow Americans? Isn't it counterproductive to all of that to have a major political belief system that believes in things like "in-groups" and "out-groups"?

Our country was built on deifying the in-group while exploiting the out-groups. Slavery, genocide, labor rights, imperialism, etc. . Conservatives want to continue that shit in the modern era.

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Ah yes, this bleeds into the "White Men did all the Good Things for Society" line of argument that was shockingly common until recently.

Kitt posted...

Which is odd. Isn't the overall goal of us as a country to work together, cooperate, and help our fellow Americans? Isn't it counterproductive to all of that to have a major political belief system that believes in things like "in-groups" and "out-groups"?

It is.

But MAGA conservatism isn't really about the country. It is about continuing a tradition as old as humankind itself, the control of the few (kings, emperors, and now oligarchs) over the many, using the "out groups" as a distractor

Blaming minorities for the problems the current right wing party brought about
Blaming minorities for problems that don't exist
Blaming minorities for the rich white men
Congratulating rich white men for everything