Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 8 - Whatever The Eff The Metaverse Was Supposed To Be

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Idk that felt staged to me. The rest of us were trying to understand what happened but Ben just instantly understood and was bantering with scare about it

That's kind of what I mean. It looks so staged that I'm struggling to think they thought it was a good idea

Corrik7 posted...

Sbell to be scum it means he knew the stop was coming and posted after it purposely to abuse a stop to not be linked to Scare and wasn't modkilled for it. Yeah no.

Hm.

This is an interesting thought. I will think on it.

I'll be honest I saw Ben hinting at the claim before I recognized Scare's reaction as a claim. I kind of interpreted Scare as generally just being like 'oh fuck we have a dead town member' idk

On the other hand, Isquen was likely to shoot scare and would have been very hard to mislynch after that, so scum may have overextended to get him while they had the chance, and Ben did try that day scan gambit. Scum Fireproof makes a lot of sense too

Chaeix posted...

Hm.

This is an interesting thought. I will think on it.

I'll be honest I saw Ben hinting at the claim before I recognized Scare's reaction as a claim. I kind of interpreted Scare as generally just being like 'oh fuck we have a dead town member' idk

I think Ben caught it when Scare said something like "Why didn't you tell me 1005%" or whatever, referring to Ben calling Lopen 1004% town. I was asleep at the time so I read it after the fact but I can see how Ben caught that

MZero posted...

On the other hand, Isquen was likely to shoot scare and would have been very hard to mislynch after that, so scum may have overextended to get him while they had the chance, and Ben did try that day scan gambit. Scum Fireproof makes a lot of sense too

This made me think about how plum was fairly insistent about having Isquen just shoot Scare the next day. Would scum plum encourage Isquen surviving to shoot Scare knowing that it would sacrifice the the other two abilities?

My gut says fireproof is more likely as scum than town but it's hard to know with such a small piece of the setup still.

Chaeix posted...

This made me think about how plum was fairly insistent about having Isquen just shoot Scare the next day. Would scum plum encourage Isquen surviving to shoot Scare knowing that it would sacrifice the the other two abilities?

But plum still voted Isquen at EOD. I need to reread that part specifically to see how he got there.

MZero posted...

I think Ben caught it when Scare said something like "Why didn't you tell me 1005%" or whatever, referring to Ben calling Lopen 1004% town. I was asleep at the time so I read it after the fact but I can see how Ben caught that

It was exactly that.

I thought the stop was going to be for a modkill on BCT. I see Lopen die. I immediately think a town vig did it because scum day 1 vigs aren't often a thing. I wonder who shot lopen. Scare posts that quip about why couldn't I tell him 1005%, and along with the "Oh fuck " before that I then know it's him.

TotallyNotMI posted...

But plum still voted Isquen at EOD. I need to reread that part specifically to see how he got there.

Said Ben was scum but voted isquen because he said Corrik, who is scum, was saying to vote Ben so he did the opposite.

He later said if Ben is scum, I am also scum because as scum I would have bussed or me being right meant I was scum or something.

Which is a direct contradiction of prior for why he voted isquen. I pointed this out yesterday.

TotallyNotMI posted...

My gut says fireproof is more likely as scum than town but it's hard to know with such a small piece of the setup still.

if scum he doesn't even have to be fireproof. anything that yields knowledge of an arsonist via a day action also works

changmas posted...

if scum he doesn't even have to be fireproof. anything that yields knowledge of an arsonist via a day action also works

Would have to be a role that doesn't move though, unless Ben plans another claim.

Does moving during the day matter?

Not that I buy they have a day role scan.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Does moving during the day matter?

Not that I buy they have a day role scan.

All we know so far is that Scum had a 1 off day action. Which, ironically, Ben did claim a day action in his initial fake claims.

##Vote: Death

I would like a death claim when he's awake.

PunishedBen posted...

This post stuck with me on thinking where to go next, and I think its a post Han would have wanted us to look back on.

This is coming from the guy who said "100%" in a scum chat when asked what the chances were nobody would look back at Han's posts. This is precisely why I'm gonna ISO Han.

For example, his scumspects at the end of D2 were Death, Scare, Plum, and Ben, though he picked one person per lynch train. From what I gather in this topic alone, Han is most sold on Ben and Death being scum, since he suggested a B8 Special against Death and said that Ben would stick out his neck for Scare if town. Now I don't know if I buy that last part entirely or if Han would still believe that after seeing Scare's flip, but it's something to start with.

Will look through other topics as much as I can tonight but I have D&D in the morning.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

This is coming from the guy who said "100%" in a scum chat when asked what the chances were nobody would look back at Han's posts. This is precisely why I'm gonna ISO Han.

For example, his scumspects at the end of D2 were Death, Scare, Plum, and Ben, though he picked one person per lynch train. From what I gather in this topic alone, Han is most sold on Ben and Death being scum, since he suggested a B8 Special against Death and said that Ben would stick out his neck for Scare if town. Now I don't know if I buy that last part entirely or if Han would still believe that after seeing Scare's flip, but it's something to start with.

Will look through other topics as much as I can tonight but I have D&D in the morning.

Well yeah, in that game I wasnt on the same side as Han so i didn't WANT people looking at Han's posts either.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Will look through other topics as much as I can tonight but I have D&D in the morning.

Actually never mind, the DM and a player both got exposed to COVID and nobody wants to risk it because Christmas is next weekend.

Working backwards... in topic 7, Han:
-Pressures Plum for not reading the game, then says he doesn't like this but still isn't sure if Plum is scum because a caught Plum deflates
-Thinks Death and SBell are unlikely to be scum together
-Defends me for claiming after SBell caught me out
-Reminds us about Stan's weird thought about the Suprak slot regenerating
-Gets an honest read out of Lea
-Says SBell is only a scum possibility because of PoE

That's about it.

Obviously Han was killed because he's Han. There's really no more logic needed for that.

Anyway I will do the rest tomorrow now that my morning is free.

Speaking of Suprak it's very interesting that vote wasn't moved to Scare last night

If plum is town (big if) it looks absolutely terrible that the Suprak vote was left on him even though BCT was on Scare, seeing as it can't be moved in the last 10 minutes so if there was a b8 special off of Scare it would have been stuck there, and plum was the other lynch leader

Also possible all 3 are scum and plum had a weaker role, considering Scare still had some good stuff left. Either way I don't like BCT leaving himself the option to get off Scare completely and locking himself on the plum train instead

BCT is town. He is just dropping the ball with his votes. Still town though.

I'll have to reread some parts of the game I think. Scum wanted Scare alive longer, I'm sure. I'm not sure if Ben defends him that hard as a scumbuddy, but Ben had made no sense this game whatsoever anyways so maybe that doesn't matter. I think the people pushing for another lynch yet still landing on Scare initially look worse (maybe those last minute votes aside, idk, again, I want to reread).

Game was actually stopped on day 1 for rather long. I can easily see someone like Ben having a fake conversation ready and with what I now know of Scare, wouldn't put it past him either. I don't think the reactions there means they can't be scum together. Ben saying anything with certainty today is very weird for someone that has been 100% off on his strongest certainties, is it not?

Han almost never lives past this point so it might not mean anything but I do think it means he was not entirely off.

Gut says to go for SBell still. It's a decent point about the stop, but I am not convinced that case about the stop means anything at all, Suprak seems to take long to make BCT posts based on the votes.

Also plum saying that about letting Isquen shoot Scare doesn't say anything about not being on Scare's team when he later goes for Isquen anyways.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'll have to reread some parts of the game I think. Scum wanted Scare alive longer, I'm sure. I'm not sure if Ben defends him that hard as a scumbuddy, but Ben had made no sense this game whatsoever anyways so maybe that doesn't matter. I think the people pushing for another lynch yet still landing on Scare initially look worse (maybe those last minute votes aside, idk, again, I want to reread).

Game was actually stopped on day 1 for rather long. I can easily see someone like Ben having a fake conversation ready and with what I now know of Scare, wouldn't put it past him either. I don't think the reactions there means they can't be scum together. Ben saying anything with certainty today is very weird for someone that has been 100% off on his strongest certainties, is it not?

Han almost never lives past this point so it might not mean anything but I do think it means he was not entirely off.

Gut says to go for SBell still. It's a decent point about the stop, but I am not convinced that case about the stop means anything at all, Suprak seems to take long to make BCT posts based on the votes.

Also plum saying that about letting Isquen shoot Scare doesn't say anything about not being on Scare's team when he later goes for Isquen anyways.

Sbell can't be scum with Scare. I've laid out why it's impossible.

First off, I will have to disappoint you MI. (I dont mind disappointing Ben)
Its not time for me to claim yet.

Secondly given that Scare flipped that, I very much expect that scum would resist his lynch as much as they could get away with.
That heightens my suspicion of Ben more but it also made me wonder if Plum was playing so bad to draw town away from their scumJack. I dont like that Plum waited so long and in the end never made a move against Scare regardless.

I think Ben being scum is more likely than plum. Scare went for plum and stayed there, seems opportunistic now. On the other hand, I feel like Ben should have been more obvious to go after for scum if wanting Scare to live another night and he was barely pushed for at any point.

And I don't think it's both. I don't think there were three scum in the people being up in the air at the end, so if you think SBell is impossible then Ben is the best bet.

Now Scare then.

Day1 He called Han and Ben town and said that he had no scumreads yet, he also refused to be a part of a Ben train. He later added Lea to his townlist.
Besides that he pointed out BCT's contradictions a lot, voted JC when that train started, didn't know Stan was in the game (so he claims).

Day2 he argued a lot with BCT in a way that makes them look unaligned. I dont think BCT can fake suspicion like that at a fellow scummate. Scarechan was also focused on BCT a lot.
He also questioned me for 'shading' him and had a brief back and forth about Changmas which seemed to leave his opinion open at the time. Though I am only mentioning that so I can compare it this to his wall he posted later in day2.

Scum hunting I can't promise, but I can give you some reads!

1) Ben - Stayed pretty solidly in town meta. Fully believe Ben would be vote happy and looking to pressure after town was already shot and day was starting to revolve around it. His gambit fits better on a town level too. Scum Ben who is looking for an arsonist and has a strong read on who it is probably lets them shoot me for free as they pick them off in the night

2) BlueCrystalTear - I don't like anything from them at all. Like I cannot point to anything that they have said that made me think 'okay checks out'. Priority 1 on that Lopen list

4) changmas- He said something earlier today that painted him in a very tight corner to even consider them scum. That gambit today pretty much town cleared him to me, I'd say 95% town, with room to rethink should a day blocker flip

7) Death - on the 'lopen list' I'd prefer him after BCT. The way he keeps shading me does not feel genuine. It feels like he's trying to stay ambiguous to jump on me or not later depending on who's up for lyng

8) HanOfTheNekos - Town. I feel pretty confident a scum Han comes in and just f***ing roasts me because I could have been free yesterday. The confidence is key as he is trying to take the role of town leader and it does not feel forced

9) Lea - definitely town. The way she deescalated things yesterday, the way she questioned Han today. Laid bad Lea can coast, but she has shown moments of turning it on, and an engaged Lea is strongly in her town meta.

11) MZero - Unlike any MZero I have seen before, I actually have a town vibe from him. No content from them sticks to me, but I know I have liked how his posts felt, This is pure gut

15) TheSultanOfSlam- Town. He posted about Plum saying to lynch me if Isquen flipped town, but then voting Ben seemed like a good catch on his part. Showing he's town hunting. And he figured out that Scum probably shot Red last night. Good detective work.

If I didn't comment on them I don't have much to say on them

Nothing contradictory in what he did post, though the Mzero and Sultan reads are new.
He seemed to have forgotten about JC however, making that day1 vote look like a joke and/or an empty gesture to look involved.

Later on he does say he thought Plum was sketchy as hell and seemed angry with Plums lack of respect for the game. Could be genuine, though it could also just mean he disliked his partner playing that way. He still voted BCT before Plum after all. And only changed to vote Plum once MI pointed out the day would be between him and Plum. (while still admitting to not wanting to lynch Ben. But it would look odd if he changed his mind on that)

Before that point he asked MI 'why am I scum?'. Whiny interactions like these make me give townpoints to MI.

And that was it for him. He could not come back for deadline, so I dont know how he even feels about Sbell.
Well there was one more thing..

Fastbreak posted...

What is wrong with you people using rng for decisions

It felt odd to me how Scare reacted an obvious joke here.
Its a minor thing but JC looks unlikelier to be Scare's scumpartner for causing such a response with his wheel of fortune gag.

MZero posted...

Speaking of Suprak it's very interesting that vote wasn't moved to Scare last night

I can't move it in the last ten minutes and my gut was all over the place. I was thinking I move it but I ran out of time.

Nothing interesting there.

I am disappointed!

Guess I'll just have to lynch you if I want to know your role...

Hey, you did already day scan me as the doctor anyway!

Besides I am sure it wont have to come to that. Unless people want to be dicks and lynch me in the middle of the night.

Though to put that moment under a magnifying glass. The only one that seemed to even be tempted by a me-special was Ben. And I cant even say that's out of character for him.

Oh I just noticed Scare complained to Sultan about using RNG first.
What an odd thing to have a running gripe about.
Granted Sultan put almost Scare's whole townlist on his scumlist. But a pattern is a pattern.

MI a question btw, one I dont want to drown in the middle of my wall in progress.

You seemed to be confused by Scare claiming that he shot during the stop and not before it.
What did you make of that for the rest of the day?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I can't move it in the last ten minutes and my gut was all over the place. I was thinking I move it but I ran out of time.

Nothing interesting there.

you literally posted when it was officially locked in.

You do realize how bad you look right?

morning folks.

need to catch uo what happened after I passed out last night .

back in a little bit after taking care of the kids.

htaeD posted...

MI a question btw, one I dont want to drown in the middle of my wall in progress.

You seemed to be confused by Scare claiming that he shot during the stop and not before it.
What did you make of that for the rest of the day?

I eventually thought he was town who misshot. His talk on Lopen was consistent even if his "I thought I was going to get shot" didn't make sense.

I really thought Isquen's half hearted counter claim looked worse and made Scare look better.

Going to be busy the first few hours of today but one thing I want to point out as people look at the end of day 2 is scum almost always freaks out about how they are stuck on votes.

So people who hopped on scare early might still be scum, the votes when it was up in the air of whether scare or I would get lynched are probably legitimate though. I don't think people voting at 5-4 for scare are scum.

Though Ben trying to persuade me to hop on sbell at the end is all sorts of weird. Would ben be that obvious as scum? Hmm that is the only real big questionmark I have towards ben

I also am wary how sure he seems that I am town. It seems like you could make a decent argument that my role is more important than scares so scum wanted scare to die over me (Though given scum doesn't have another extra kill that seems a little dubious. What role would I be? Roleblocker? Not sure if that is actually any better in this situation)

Considering no scanning or protection has died yet I think roleblocker is pretty important right now.

Obellisk posted...

you literally posted when it was officially locked in.

You do realize how bad you look right?

No, I don't. I posted that it was locked in because I was trying to see who we were lynching and still had no clue. So much happens in those last ten minutes! I got caught up in too many thoughts at once.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

No, I don't. I posted that it was locked in because I was trying to see who we were lynching and still had no clue. So much happens in those last ten minutes! I got caught up in too many thoughts at once.

my dude. you were here with time before it locked. you had 48 hours, frankly. You were asking if you should change it. You were teasing Plum with it. You are so full of it, it isn't funny.

You are a goddamn double voter and you split your two votes between the two lynch leaders. What game are you really playing here?

I'm just at my wits end with you and don't believe for a second that you can really be filling a town player spot.

I think that you and scare and plum are all a team and they have essentially disowned you and you are just flopping around.

Plum, I'm sorry you got saddled with this team.

##vote: bct

##unvote

##vote: plum

##unvote

##vote: bct

Anyway Day 1 Scare Interactions

Ben and Scare argued about Lopen before the shot, and then Ben seemed to instantly recognize that it Scare was claiming the shot. I think. I dont know if Ben took it fully serious at the time.
Scare could have been trying to distance himself from Ben here.

Anyway after Scare claimed, Lea accused him of playing bad and Changmas quickly believed it. Corrik meanwhile expressed anger at Scare just for his choice of flavor.

Sbell on the other hand seemingly saw a reason for Scare not liking Lopen. He did not state an opinion on him directly until asked though, as I mentioned yesterday.
There is the posting after the stop-thing that Corrik mentioned though. Though in that case there is always the chance that Scare didn't warn anyone on his team that he was gonna make the shot.

Stan (Plum) said Scare's targeting of Lopen checked out and later said he trusted Scare. He also defended Scare from me pointing out the stuff below. Defending his partner? Very much possible.
Plum replaced Stan then and called some of Scare's posts bad and did the whole 'kill Scare if Isquen is town' spiel. Though at first he seemed content to let Isquen shoot Scare night1.

Ctes took a neutral stance on it all because he could not read Scare and also could not see why town would shoot Lopen at that point. He did want Scare to clear up the whole 'maybe scum was gonna shoot me!' paranoia at least.

Sultan also had a somewhat indecisive statement on the matter, complaining about the many claims (even though he himself claimed!) and shaking his head at shooting day1 at all.
His mind seemed to be focused more on BCT at the time. Much later he opines on Scare with that same 'could be either this or that' stance. Only after he was prodded does he elaborate that he leans towards Scare being scum.

There was the moment where Lea and me pointed out that the kill did not look like a shot that was going to be claimed, which forced Scare into his weird 'I shot during the stop' story.
I think that's pretty much proven wrong now, and I feel better about Corrik for immediately shutting that excuse down as well.

MI, JC and Changmas were also incredulous. But when Lea started the 'why would Scare do this as scum' reasoning. MI quickly went to that as well along with Ben and Han.

Next Isquen counterclaimed Scare.
Though he didn't claim everything all at once.
In between his first accusation of Scare and the dayvig reveal, Changmas and Corrik (and Han) asked him a lot if stuff and Corrik got him to say he was a Vig.
None of them were particularly accepting of it, and none of them changed their mind on Scare because of it. Though Corrik (and Ctes when he showed up) did not think Isquen would counterclaim as scum either.
Based on his lists, MI seemed to trust Scare more than Isquen, though he was underwhelmed by both. Corrik on the other hand would lynch Scare before Isquen.

Sultan also said he believed Isquen more than Scare, in part because of the flavor.

And Mzero didn't say much about it at all, focusing more on BCT and Ben. Ctes, Corrik, MI and Sultan all talk about Ben afterwards and that seems to be where the subjects drift away from Scare VS Isquen.
JC later also openly declines to look at the Isquen/Scare divide to vote Ben instead. I dont think Bens and JCs trains started as a diversion from the Isquen/Scare lynch in so much as everyone wanted Isquen to prove himself.
That's why I also dont know if Ben claimed to distract from Scare, because it feels more like Bens actions put (indirect) focus back on Scare.

Not gonna conclude anything major until I have checked day2. Besides me liking Corrik, MI and Lea for specific interactions.

Though I am surprised I didn't find anything to write down about BCT's own posts here.

Obellisk posted...

I'm just at my wits end with you and don't believe for a second that you can really be filling a town player spot.

I'd like an apology when you see my flip. I don't for a second believe you're behaving in a way that helps town.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I'd like an apology when you see my flip. I don't for a second believe you're behaving in a way that helps town.

says the double voter who voted for both lynch leaders...

TotallyNotMI posted...

Considering no scanning or protection has died yet I think roleblocker is pretty important right now.

Think this game is low power.

Obellisk posted...

says the double voter who voted for both lynch leaders...

I had no idea what I was doing. That's all there is to it, but I'm admitting it. End of day pressure with a role like this is something I've never experienced before. I'm trying my best and I know it's not good enough.

I'll do better at the end of this day. Promise.

Gonna be out for a bit. Christmas preparations and all

If I were to make a Ben is town argument, it would go like this: Ben did a lot of flippity floppity at the end of the day that didn't seem to be very strategic. He hops off Sbell and hops on Death all alone, then hops back on Sbell at the last minute

Why?

Why does scum Ben do this? Sure he wants to be consistent and not vote Scare or me, but why all the flopping as scum? It makes him a big target after Scare flips scum.

I think either Sbell and Ben are scum together (Hmm) or Ben might be town.

I'm going to hold off on Ben for now because I saw this post at this moment:

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

Getting Closerer To Deadline VOTALS:
[5] Scare - MI, (chang), (Corrik), (Corrik), (BCT), (Suprak), Death, Corrik, Lea, (BCT), (BCT), BCT
[4] plum - (Sultan), (Han), (Corrik), MZero, Scare, (Chaeix), (BCT), (Corrik), Suprak, Sultan
[4] SBell - (Chaeix), (Chaeix), Han, ctes, Chaeix, Ben
[3] Ben - (Suprak), plum, (BCT), chang, SBell
[0] Lea - (Sultan)
[0] MZero - (BCT), (BCT)
[0] BCT - (MZero), (Lea), (Scare)
[0] Death - (Han)
[0] ctes - (Chaeix)
[0] MI - (Sultan), (BCT)
[0] chang - (Corrik)

WITH 16 ALIVE IT TAKES 9 TO LYNCH. DAY ENDS AT 9 PM TODAY, ROUGHLY 15 MINUTES FROM NOW!

Chaeix posted...

i think plum should vote sbell and force a claim but that's just me

This is a peculiar post here. It feels pretty measured in that it is purposefully trying to not sound like it is influencing the lynch while JC gets me off of ben and on to Sbell. If JC is scum that is a big win because suddenly Scare goes from leader to tied and maybe Sbell then claims something damning that kills him.

I think JC is the next investigation target

masterplum posted...

If I were to make a Ben is town argument, it would go like this: Ben did a lot of flippity floppity at the end of the day that didn't seem to be very strategic. He hops off Sbell and hops on Death all alone, then hops back on Sbell at the last minute

Yeah, but Han and I think chang had made it clear they were open to a Death lynch. I don't think the flippity floppity is a big argument in Ben's favor tbh, it comes more off to me as desperate to get the lynch elsewhere without a specific target in mind.

Also I will probably be around little to none the rest of Saturday and I apologize.