Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 10 - Everyone Getting The Yips

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MZero posted...

And I claimed immediately

This post comes off as so needy and I legit love it

TotallyNotMI posted...

Why would scare claim his shot?
Why would corrik overcomplicate his claim?

Could it be that scum are just people and can make sub optimal plays?????

I mean I guess but like wouldnt they be like that is a terrible fake claim dont do it? But idk man.

And I already explained why Scare claimed his shot he was trying to look confirmed town was probably not exspecting a counter claim. Plus he got Isquen killed beacuse people believed him so.

It's really wasn't a horrible horrible play claiming the shot

I disagree with plum I think we are at a point town can win this game with mass claims out their

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The issue is that if it was scum/scum the goal could have been for the victor to look better.

Lea so your thinking scum

Is MZero and who?

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Was I town that game? I honestly don't remember this at all. Why was I so against the possibility of you being untargetable? was this the game i was indy and also untargetable?

also I'm out and about running errands right now so you'll have to excuse the intermittent posting.

Pretty sure SBell was tracker (not that it's important) and it also had to do with thinking BCT and Sheep looked fine.

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huh... I'm not gunna go back and read that one again to try to figure it out but I take your word for it. maybe i just didn't like your face that game? I'm sure I had reason for wanting to burn you in a fire or maybe I was just really stupidly convinced bct was town that time around so you were the better option?

With all the said I doubt using my murdering of you untargetable that game can't be related to my response to mzero who has been pushing the same lynch I've wanted all game and has been satisfied that I'm town (pocketing me? not that I'm necessarily accusing him of that).

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oh well there was ulti Influence too.

also untargetable and unlynchable type claims are the claims I gravitate to as scum

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Part of me knows the full 48 hours is idea, then I remember that a week from tomorrow I am heading out on vacation and things are going to get dicey.

Maybe I would be ok with hammering early

Well, now I got nervous again.

Man Bens flavor claim is so good

Anyone have a good year in 2021 that would be fireproof?

I'd probably prefer lynching Mzero over Ben tbh

Now you want to lynch Ben?

Brittany spears she hot and won her lawsuit against her dad lol I got no idea lmao

I still believe that Ben as scum would be more inclined to tip reveal his Fire knowledge over Ben as Town.

Ben will fake claim uo and down as both alignments but I don't think Ben tries to lure out the Arsonist unless he's scum searching for him.

Did anyone look over reds limited content to see if there were hints? or did they just have Red fear and get lucky?

Probably lucky

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Brittany spears she hot and won her lawsuit against her dad lol I got no idea lmao

that actually pretty fuxking good.

my headcanon still says scum has a dayscanner. makes sense as to why they killed red day 1 and JC last night

In what world would red have been hinting he was arsonist

TotallyNotMI posted...

In what world would red have been hinting he was arsonist

less hinting and more tipping his hat when Ben started arsoning around

I agree on not stagnating. I've got a crazy amount of events and gatherings between hanukah and Christmas over the next 5 days.

changmas posted...

my headcanon still says scum has a dayscanner. makes sense as to why they killed red day 1 and JC last night

actually this is probably too much day power for a game nvm

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I honestly feel like one of them is town and one is scum so to me the order does matter!

Unless Ben just pulled a fireproof claim out of his ass and we're looking at scum godfather / scum untargettable or something wild like that but I don't see them as linked.

I'm fine having some shorter days here too tbh.

Chang and/or Sbell do you want to claim while you're here?

I'd like to hear both but we can always wait until next day if we're just gonna kill Ben

ctesjbuvf posted...

That post screams having a conclusion before finding a logical path to it.

Let's start at chang. First of all, pretty sure chang said he wouldn't know if he was roleblocked. Second of all, no way they blind fire a one use roleblock at chang night 1. Thirdly, if you're actually right about him only being blocked once, then how could you remove him from the pool scum would think doctor was in. And fourth, the fact that chang is still the only person claiming a roleblock actually makes it a less good town case for him than I (and I think others) I initially thought.

IIRC, plum claimed vanilla like a moment after he was told something about how it wasn't even important what he claimed.

Sure SBell didn't move but could be on the scum team and not move.

You bring up Corrik saying Sultan is vanilla and don't consider a scanner there.

Corrik (our only knowledge of a role like that who was scum) possibly being told who the person is without it being from his own role would mean town has yet another strong way of confirming themselves on top of what looks like two sets of what is effectively double voters. That's such a stretch to be able to drop a "100%".

Yes, the conclusion was "scum shooting JC because they knew the roles of everyone else were not doctor". So i was doing exactly that

i'd prefer to same time it with ctes and death at the least if they're around

ctesjbuvf posted...

A bit more than hour after start of day, like half an hour after getting to these three after which you followed and talked about the game and you supposedly reread on three people already. Need I remind you that you've talked about going after Death a lot (not with much reasoning though). Took a reread to get there?

I was only rereading Mzero and it was only the first couple topics. Just some real time thoughts, not a final conclusion

ctesjbuvf posted...

Let me try to summarize where I'm at aside from that

I think it's interesting how many times I've seen people talk about Death in their scum teams since the start of the game and ironically it has never really been pushed for. I am not sure what to make of it. Closest thing was MI bluffing a scan and Death simply not claiming is probably the best look he has had, but he doesn't stand out much. I have a hard time reading Death but if I try to picture a scum team and draw connections, I basically always end with Death let in the pool, so I think it's where to pressure next.

I'm the event Ben actually flips town, I would look back at plum and SBell. But I don't think they can be scum with Ben almost exclusively based on end of day 2. MZero's claim also somehow looks even worse if that happens. MZero can be scum regardless I guess, I'm not liking that claim.

I don't have anything particular, but chang is going too much under the radar I think. Saw the same thing last game. I'm pretty sure what cleared him in most eyes was the roleblock and there have been no other cases of roleblocking existing. It worries me no one is even talking about him.

I too considered if some of this Sultan stuff was an act. Two games ago he was scum caught day 1, one game ago he was town confirmed through similar ways as now and got to live the whole game, so maybe with the help of someone could coach him to replicate? I could see Corrik wanting to do something like that. It just feels too muchlike stuff you can't write or act for me to truly consider it.

I will return to worry about MI and Lea if they're both alive in a few days, at the moment it seems very unlikely the remaining scum is there.

We have to kill Ctes because even if he is town he's gonna lose us the game lol

ctesjbuvf posted...

Let me try to summarize where I'm at aside from that

I think it's interesting how many times I've seen people talk about Death in their scum teams since the start of the game and ironically it has never really been pushed for. I am not sure what to make of it. Closest thing was MI bluffing a scan and Death simply not claiming is probably the best look he has had, but he doesn't stand out much. I have a hard time reading Death but if I try to picture a scum team and draw connections, I basically always end with Death let in the pool, so I think it's where to pressure next.

I'm the event Ben actually flips town, I would look back at plum and SBell. But I don't think they can be scum with Ben almost exclusively based on end of day 2. MZero's claim also somehow looks even worse if that happens. MZero can be scum regardless I guess, I'm not liking that claim.

I don't have anything particular, but chang is going too much under the radar I think. Saw the same thing last game. I'm pretty sure what cleared him in most eyes was the roleblock and there have been no other cases of roleblocking existing. It worries me no one is even talking about him.

I too considered if some of this Sultan stuff was an act. Two games ago he was scum caught day 1, one game ago he was town confirmed through similar ways as now and got to live the whole game, so maybe with the help of someone could coach him to replicate? I could see Corrik wanting to do something like that. It just feels too muchlike stuff you can't write or act for me to truly consider it.

I will return to worry about MI and Lea if they're both alive in a few days, at the moment it seems very unlikely the remaining scum is there.

Sorry, I made that last comment only after reading that you'd look at Sbell and Plum after I flip town. Now that I'm reading the whole thing, there's common ground for us. We just kill Death!

I'm not opposed to same timing, but I'm not convinced it's beneficial.

PunishedBen posted...

Yes, the conclusion was "scum shooting JC because they knew the roles of everyone else were not doctor". So i was doing exactly that

Confirmation bias is never a good thing.

PunishedBen posted...

We have to kill Ctes because even if he is town he's gonna lose us the game lol

Try to convince me that I'm wrong instead of this.

One thing you're wrong about ctes - I never faked a scan!

TotallyNotMI posted...

The fact that supposedly town fireproof Ben came to the conclusion that town untargettable Mzero is town is concerning.

Town does not have fireproof and untargetable. One of them is scum.

I didn't come to that conclusion. But I am considering all options and not being so "it has to be this way". If you think that's the case that town can't have both then we kill Mzero now.

PunishedBen posted...

Sorry, I made that last comment only after reading that you'd look at Sbell and Plum after I flip town. Now that I'm reading the whole thing, there's common ground for us. We just kill Death!

Most of what I have against Death is PoE. I'm seeing very little in both directions. There are few pointers, but I spent time doing an ISO on day 2 and when you consider the amount of posts, very little came of it. I'd love to hear how you've reached this conclusion for days.

changmas posted...

i'd prefer to same time it with ctes and death at the least if they're around

Any reason you didn't mention Sbell?

I'd like him to be in on it as well.

coordinate a 4 time same time claim! that sounds fun.

Do it!

TotallyNotMI posted...

One thing you're wrong about ctes - I never faked a scan!

Well I got excited for nothing at the time.

If we mass same time, then included Sultan too. There is absolutely no reason not to.

I still think it could wait one more day, but it is what it is.

To make the planning easier, I will be awake for the next 7 hours and online for most of those hours.

How many scum left are we thinking?
3?
We should probably massclaim anyway before we reach a hypothetical Mylo, is a thing I considered on the way back home.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If we mass same time, then included Sultan too. There is absolutely no reason not to.

I still think it could wait one more day, but it is what it is.

Okay I guess though I thought we already knew