Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 10 - Everyone Getting The Yips

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Still think Ben looks the worst.

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I'm on board. But in the interest of fair play I think it best we as group decide who.

MZero - may fail, would prove his untargetable. Don't know if I'd lose it and my chance to prove it works?
Ben, Plum, Death, Ctes - only real candidates.

Mi, Lea, Chang, Sultan - free of my wrath.

wait i take that back. Sultan IS a candidate. sure, he looks like town but I've been fooled before. he's on the bottom of the list though.

Would you not be told that it failed or something? You're mostly doing it to confirm yourself.

But I still think it's Ben.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Would you not be told that it failed or something? You're mostly doing it to confirm yourself.

But I still think it's Ben.

no idea it's all in topic. if I'm ready to go I say the magic words

I hesitate to nominate Ben myself the more I read how much Corrik was bussing him day1.
But I dont like the idea of not resolving Ben/Mzero today either.

I don't think proving you can do what you do is that important, because we all believe it. I guess I'd like if Mzero died today because maybe if he is scum Untargetable people will finally not feel like they have to lynch me and look back at the Isquen vs me lynch and see Death's dirty deeds on it

I dont suppose you can ask Suprak about that, Sbell?

Pretty sure your hands are the dirty ones there!

We should listen to the only people we know for a fact are town, MI and Lea, who want to kill Mzero

htaeD posted...

Pretty sure your hands are the dirty ones there!

That's the thing, you said you didn't trust my claim was legit but joined to vote Isquen, so that the next day you could say it was my fault for guiding your hand, all why saying this was the expected result. Too convenient! But I digress

I've gone over that so many times.

Not being sure you were legit is not the same as not trusting you to be legit.
Not wanting the worse result is not the same as expecting the worst result.

htaeD posted...

I hesitate to nominate Ben myself the more I read how much Corrik was bussing him day1.
But I dont like the idea of not resolving Ben/Mzero today either.

Well let's take a vote. Is your vote to gladiate me or Mzero?

Ben - 0
Mzero - 1

i vote mzero, it shouldn't work on him if he's telling the truth about being untargetable at the least

I was reading up on Corriks and Scare's posts to see if there is a negative or positive link.
So far I dont see much interaction between them and Mzero, which is neither!

Either way I want to read up a bit more before I can put down a vote

htaeD posted...

I hesitate to nominate Ben myself the more I read how much Corrik was bussing him day1.
But I dont like the idea of not resolving Ben/Mzero today either.

Cuz this post is weird to me and reads like you use the idea of resolving me and Mzero as your reasoning why you're okay with gladiating me despite your hesitance?

with me perma Rb'D that's the only action we really have left that could test untargetable

changmas posted...

i vote mzero, it shouldn't work on him if he's telling the truth about being untargetable at the least

Didn't he say only untargetable at night or did I make that up?

Oh no thats not what I meant.

I meant that resolving you VS Mzero is more useful than making sure Sbells gladiate actually goes off.
So as long as I feel you look better, I think we should just lynch Mzero normally instead.

gladiating mzero is dumb. Nobody is claiming untargetable if they can be targeted

htaeD posted...

I hesitate to nominate Ben myself the more I read how much Corrik was bussing him day1.
But I dont like the idea of not resolving Ben/Mzero today either.

The Ben bus never actually went anywhere

its a total scum move

Nothing is lost by testing it. I'd say less people would claim gladiator without being gladiator than untargetable. I'm fairly certain I have seen scum fake untargetable before.

changmas posted...

with me perma Rb'D that's the only action we really have left that could test untargetable

Have you considered asking them politely to not roleblock you tonight?

It says any action. Doesn't specify night so I assume it includes day actions

Thats what Mzero said.
I think its also fine to test it on Mzero if we decide to go his way.

Well would only confirm he is untargetable it's not role indicative... so what do we really learn other than he is what he says he is

TotallyNotMI posted...

Nothing is lost by testing it. I'd say less people would claim gladiator without being gladiator than untargetable. I'm fairly certain I have seen scum fake untargetable before.

Ive done it

Depends on how Sbells role reacts I guess
Maybe we get some host response that still proves he Gladiated.

Actually

Untargetable and ninja on the same team is a little odd.

I dont know if I would do both

Yeah Im all in on the Ben train. Ben has constantly done these fake Town comments like saying he would rather die over sbell

thats complete nonsense from town

If it was a fulltime ninja maybe not. But this was a 1shot.

well what do you think is more likely? sbell lies about being town gladiator (he can't actually gladiate at ALL) or mzero lies about being untargetable (he can actually be targetted).

because the only thing the gladiate effect actually does is to confirm sbell. so if you feel sbell is more confirmed than mzero we should use it to confirm mzero is telling the truth about being untargetable.

if you feel sbell needs to confirm himself then you can make him gladiate. but the effect itself is purely negative utility, the only positive utility to get from it is proof he can use it. seems like a pretty tough bluff to make unless he and mzero are in cahoots

Do Ben or go bold on your 2nd scum read

I wouldn't waste it in Mzero

changmas posted...

well what do you think is more likely? sbell lies about being town gladiator (he can't actually gladiate at ALL) or mzero lies about being untargetable (he can actually be targetted).

because the only thing the gladiate effect actually does is to confirm sbell. so if you feel sbell is more confirmed than mzero we should use it to confirm mzero is telling the truth about being untargetable.

if you feel sbell needs to confirm himself then you can make him gladiate. but the effect itself is purely negative utility, the only positive utility to get from it is proof he can use it. seems like a pretty tough bluff to make unless he and mzero are in cahoots

I think there is a better chance Sbell is scum than Mzero can be targetted

there's no such thing as a waste. the role exists purely to confirm the user. the worst case scenario is he uses it on another town player and we have no choice but to lynch a town member. using it on an untargetable is literally the best case scenario for the power, unless you don't believe sbell can gladiate at all

masterplum posted...

I think there is a better chance Sbell is scum than Mzero can be targetted

scum or scum non-gladiator. because it has to be the second one

I mean if mzero is untargetable all it tells us is Mzero is untargetable if he is bold and nails scum fuck yeah

masterplum posted...

I think there is a better chance Sbell is scum than Mzero can be targetted

Yeah I'm the exact opposite.

I'm also concerned that Mzero is targetable and scum Plum knows and is trying to stall things here.

I'm saying I'd put a sword in town Sbells hand I just hope it's town sbell and not scum sbell

but he could just be bold and nail scum in a normal vote. the gladiator kill just replaces the normal lynch. we could just lynch that person anyway without the gladiate

Lets be honest we are going to want to see Sbell Gladiate

TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah I'm the exact opposite.

I'm also concerned that Mzero is targetable and scum Plum knows and is trying to stall things here.

That would be a good gambit!

If that is your concern Ill step back and let Sbell use it on Mzero

i think it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY he is scum and can't gladiate at all. it would be an incredibly stupid gambit to claim gladiator and then immediately be unable to gladiate someone on command.

changmas posted...

but he could just be bold and nail scum in a normal vote. the gladiator kill just replaces the normal lynch. we could just lynch that person anyway without the gladiate

Not if they are not in the majority lynch pool.

Why is this conversation making me feel worse about you chang it seems like you're deflecting

Going out to see avatar. Be back tonight

lol if sbell picks someone not in the lynch pool he's probably getting voted dead instead of them

changmas posted...

lol if sbell picks someone not in the lynch pool he's probably getting voted dead instead of them

Not nessisarily if he can provide a good case.

Still feels like you're deflecting and know one of the options is town

masterplum posted...

Going out to see avatar. Be back tonight

*gladiates plum*

That's not how it works... in case anyone thinks I just did that