Current Events > So why aren't teachers paid more?

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lots of people say that they should be paid six figures

and that athletes and entertainers shouldnt be paid as much as they are

respect women TC

Administrative bloat.
A typical high school doesn't need seven vice-principals, nor overpaid superintendents.

because capitalism only rewards direct earners

A good surgeon saves lives, a good pilot saves lives, a good teacher just makes the day a bit easier but may not actually teach anything.

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Haha that's great thanks for letting me know.

TrulyEpicLawls posted...

A good surgeon saves lives, a good pilot saves lives, a good teacher just makes the day a bit easier but may not actually teach anything.

bruh no

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Your input has been the height of the intellectualism you tell yourself you have. *tosses you in the trash*

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

bruh no

Can't think of any teacher I've had that should earn anywhere near 6 figures.

Ive had a few teachers that I would think deserve that much

VampireCoyote posted...

Ive had a few teachers that I would think deserve that much

Lucky. Mine mostly abused kids, or I was correcting them on science and maths, and I don't even live in the ghetto.

ACAB defund the police
w-w-why awent teachws pwaid mowe?
Bitch pick one

Pipotchi posted...

ACAB defund the police
w-w-why awent teachws pwaid mowe?
Bitch pick one

Wow, this is a new level of cognitive dissonance.

Pipotchi posted...

ACAB defund the police
w-w-why awent teachws pwaid mowe?
Bitch pick one

wtf is the angle of logic here even

like at all

Because without teachers you wouldn't have engineers, surgeons, etc. They're the absolute most important building block for society and they serve to be recognized as such.

TrulyEpicLawls posted...

Your input has been the height of the intellectualism you tell yourself you have. *tosses you in the trash*

Can't think of any teacher I've had that should earn anywhere near 6 figures.

Maybe if you stayed in school past 3rd grade you'd understand that's called discipline so people didnt talk back to their teachers and "correct them".

VampireCoyote posted...

wtf is the angle of logic here even

like at all

kiddie wranglers are just cops with less muscle mass & its weird how supportive anarchist types who want to abolish the police entirely generally are to the watered-down version of the profession that exclusively preys on minors

Because our society turned teaching into being more babysitting, social work, therapy, and catch-up for bad parenting than actual teaching so everybody complains about lackluster education

Because they serve a useful function to the working class.

Lokison posted...

Because without teachers you wouldn't have engineers, surgeons, etc. They're the absolute most important building block for society and they serve to be recognized as such.

Maybe if you stayed in school past 3rd grade you'd understand that's called discipline so people didnt talk back to their teachers and "correct them".

You're having to tell yourself I didn't finish school and talked back to teachers.

Without teachers... we would still have engineers etc. ESPECIALLY engineers.

Your teachers evidently don't deserve 6 figures though!

Pipotchi posted...

kiddie wranglers are just cops with less muscle mass & its weird how supportive anarchist types who want to abolish the police entirely generally are to the watered-down version of the profession that exclusively preys on minors

you have a mental illness. im sorry but it needs to be said

*or is this SMAL

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When Google can teach more in 10 minutes than what people 'learned' in years of school, there's major issues.

I'm thinking teen years really though, that's such a bizarre bubble of random insecure unqualified adults following a schedule, and that's what I was thinking of.

My P.E. teacher was teaching biology and sex ed. He taught me that the pill goes up the lady's wooha!

Still though, I don't know about primary school teachers getting mansion money.

TrulyEpicLawls posted...

When Google can teach more in 10 minutes than what people 'learned' in years of school, there's major issues.

We gave up on "tracking" decades ago, because it was "racist" somehow or something, while at the same time insisting on "mainstreaming" the developmentally-hindered Thus, all we have is an education system targeted slightly below the average student, that isn't really useful for anyone.

Either Epic is trolling, or his lying. Probably a bit of both.

Lokison posted...

Either Epic is trolling, or his lying. Probably a bit of both.

You do know this is CE, right?

Questionmarktarius posted...

We gave up on "tracking" decades ago, because it was "racist" somehow or something, while at the same time insisting on "mainstreaming" the developmentally-hindered Thus, all we have is an education system targeted slightly below the average student, that isn't really useful for anyone.

Everything you just said is wrong.

We still track at all levels, and a majority of students who are put on low tracks are students of color or don't speak english as their first language, which reinforces a white-dominated educational system. Most teachers are well aware of this and there are efforts to detrack and elevate all students but it's a sisyphus-ian task as we're overworked already and can't fight on the front lines of the battle against the structures that be.

We also don't change/lower standards or expectations for all students just because students with disabilities are also in the classroom. Those students have specific individualized education plans and/or 504 accommodations that allow them to participate in various capacities in the regular education classroom, which studies have shown correlate to improved learning outcomes for all students.

metralo posted...

you have a mental illness. im sorry but it needs to be said

*or is this SMAL

>smal
>more than a week's worth of karma

Choose

TrulyEpicLawls posted...

You're having to tell yourself I didn't finish school and talked back to teachers.

Without teachers... we would still have engineers etc. ESPECIALLY engineers.

Your teachers evidently don't deserve 6 figures though!

You...really have no idea what you're talking about and should probably just be quiet and let the adults talk.

ZMythos posted...

Everything you just said is wrong.

This may be the only time ever on CE that I'm glad as hell to have fucked up.
Thank you.

ZMythos posted...

Everything you just said is wrong.

We still track at all levels, and a majority of students who are put on low tracks are students of color or don't speak english as their first language, which reinforces a white-dominated educational system. Most teachers are well aware of this and there are efforts to detrack and elevate all students but it's a sisyphus-ian task as we're overworked already and can't fight on the front lines of the battle against the structures that be.

We also don't change/lower standards or expectations for all students just because students with disabilities are also in the classroom. Those students have specific individualized education plans and/or 504 accommodations that allow them to participate in various capacities in the regular education classroom, which studies have shown correlate to improved learning outcomes for all students.

All of this.

Also IEP meetings were awesome. My coworkers always complained but it was awesome to see those young kids think critically about what worked for them and what didn't and get a chance for their voice to be heard.

Teachers should be paid more

They are paid 6 figures, but then they are docked pay for all the days off they get compared to other full time employees.

KingThing posted...

They are paid 6 figures, but then they are docked pay for all the days off they get compared to other full time employees.

I make $44000 and work about 1600 contracted hours per year. Not counting any work I take home with me, which can be anywhere from 3-5 extra unpaid hours per week.

So, if you think about 100-200 fewer work hours than the average salaried worker is worth docking a 6-figure salary to less than half of that for a position that requires professional licensure and a 4-year degree, then I don't think you value teachers much to begin with.

ZMythos posted...

I make $44000

Missouri?

I'm sorry.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Missouri?

I'm sorry.

Rural Wisconsin. Thankfully I can afford to live where I teach so I'm not particularly struggling.

That being said I'm due for a promotion and I should be getting a salary schedule raise at the end of this year.

And I have it pretty easy where I am. Small schools may not pay as much but the kids are way more manageable and I have more freedom to teach how I want.

So I'm not boo-hooing for my sake. There are thousands of other teachers out there who are much worse off than I am and they're much more undervalued for their work.

ZMythos posted...

I make $44000 and work about 1600 contracted hours per year. Not counting any work I take home with me, which can be anywhere from 3-5 extra unpaid hours per week.

So, if you think about 100-200 fewer work hours than the average salaried worker is worth docking a 6-figure salary to less than half of that for a position that requires professional licensure and a 4-year degree, then I don't think you value teachers much to begin with.

Im sorry as well

And I live in Wisconsin

America's public education is a mess, and I ranted in the wrong direction in post 24. Oops.
Still say post 3 is the right rant.

Questionmarktarius posted...

America's public education is a mess, and I ranted in the wrong direction in post 24. Oops.
Still say post 3 is the right rant.

I appreciate the sentiment. There's definitely a disconnect between administration and staff that needs to be addressed. A good principal supports their teachers first, and I'm thankful that I have a good one.

TrulyEpicLawls posted...

Your input has been the height of the intellectualism you tell yourself you have. *tosses you in the trash*

Can't think of any teacher I've had that should earn anywhere near 6 figures.

I am a primary school teacher that is not far off earning a six figure salary, plus I have all my rent paid for me.

My mom was a special-ed teacher in a rural-as-fuck district in Missouri, in the 70s and 80s, and a substitute in several districts (not all rural) for a couple decades past that.
I know some stories, and that was even before rural America got beat to shit.

like a lot of other fundamentally-important roles in society, the economy has kinda just decided that they're for whatever reason not worthy of being paid a decent livable wage

We're taxed to hell already, the local school district is 50-80% of our property taxes, and they still need state and federal subsidies.

I want to go on another Ayn-Randian rant about this, but it's just futile, and would be badly misguided anyway.

metralo posted...

you have a mental illness. im sorry but it needs to be said

*or is this SMAL

Stop trying to say all bad people have mental illness. Some people are just assholes

Y'know, they say that pimpin' ain't easy. But what they won't tell you is that it's much, much harder being a prostitute.

in nmidwest in some states first year teachers make like 34k first 2 years/

in NE its more like 45-50k at lower end. in midwest you need 2.5 gpa to grad with ed degree in NE or other states you need 3.0

Pipotchi posted...

Bitch pick one

that's right. scratch the other 2 statements. beyond all logic etc.