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ssj3vegeta
01/09/23 11:11:57 PM
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Should he go to prison just like how trump should go for doing basically da same?


https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html

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Irony
01/09/23 11:13:35 PM
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Yes

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mustachedmystic
01/10/23 4:15:40 PM
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Why arent the Republicans screaming this at the top of their lungs? Thats easy. Its cause it was but a handful of documents, and the Biden camp self reported it as soon as they realized they were in possession of the them. The Rs would literally overdose on the hypocrisy if they made a big deal out of it.

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sauceje
01/10/23 4:16:38 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Why arent the Republicans screaming this at the top of their lungs? Thats easy. Its cause it was but a handful of documents, and the Biden camp self reported it as soon as they realized they were in possession of the them. The Rs would literally overdose on the hypocrisy if they made a big deal out of it.
What do you mean, they absolutely are making a big deal of it
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1612616623135035392
https://twitter.com/RepTroyNehls/status/1612593286488752130
https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1612599359438290944
https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1612628330481876992
https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1612619728698200066
https://twitter.com/Miller_Congress/status/1612640824751259648

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Questionmarktarius
01/10/23 4:19:01 PM
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I expect this to suddenly become "not a big deal" and quietly dropped, for everyone.
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DipDipDiver
01/10/23 4:19:44 PM
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They really have convinced themselves it's the same thing, even though the orange loser spent months actively trying to hide the docs while Joe Biden's people self-reported and turned them over
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Tappor
01/10/23 4:19:48 PM
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Trump isn't going to prison

Thus, neither will Biden

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Zikten
01/10/23 4:20:52 PM
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As Iisted in a different topic, there are multiple reasons why this is a very different situation than with Trump
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Agent_Stroud
01/10/23 4:21:27 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Put both of them in the same cell while youre at it and watch absolute hilarity ensue as the Orange Man and the Potato Man duke it out for bottom bunk.

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mustachedmystic
01/10/23 4:22:22 PM
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sauceje posted...
What do you mean, they absolutely are making a big deal of it
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1612616623135035392
https://twitter.com/RepTroyNehls/status/1612593286488752130
https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1612599359438290944
https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1612628330481876992
https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1612619728698200066
https://twitter.com/Miller_Congress/status/1612640824751259648
Oops, my bad, I guess I havent been paying attention.

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FortuneCookie
01/10/23 4:22:24 PM
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If Biden's doing what Trump did, absolutely. They should meet with the same punishment. Not that either of them will. It's sad that calls for justice are entirely partisan.

It's nice to see Republicans are eager to have the first Black female president though. I'm sure they'll all be happy once she's in charge.
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Suolevram
01/10/23 4:28:03 PM
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Agent_Stroud posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Put both of them in the same cell while youre at it and watch absolute hilarity ensue as the Orange Man and the Potato Man duke it out for bottom bunk.
I'd pay 39.99 on Pay Per View to watch that

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mustachedmystic
01/10/23 4:31:19 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
If Biden's doing what Trump did, absolutely. They should meet with the same punishment. Not that either of them will. It's sad that calls for justice are entirely partisan.

It's nice to see Republicans are eager to have the first Black female president though. I'm sure they'll all be happy once she's in charge.
If? You know it aint the same, so does Trump and everyone else. Comparing the 2 would be like saying someone that swipes a fifth of bourbon is exactly the same as an executive that embezzles millions from Jim Beam.

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MetroidGamer666
01/10/23 4:32:12 PM
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Was Trump even punished for it?
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Questionmarktarius
01/10/23 4:36:06 PM
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MetroidGamer666 posted...
Was Trump even punished for it?
When the "red gurgle" in the midterms made it obvious Trump 2024 is going to be a waste of time, it quietly went away.
Even the recomendation of actual charges being actually filed was barely noticeable.
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FAQ-Checker
01/10/23 4:40:10 PM
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Do the crime, do the time. Unfortunately Trump was right, he wasnt the only one mishandling classified documents. It happens all the time and Trumps situation was in no way unique. The only difference is that Trump acted like a dick and didnt return the documents when they were requested.
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mustachedmystic
01/10/23 4:47:56 PM
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Biden is like an old lady that realizes that she stuck a candy bar in her purse after leaving the store, then immediately turns around to pay for it, while the Republicans are the manager that insists on filing charges even though he just put $20k worth of cigarettes and booze i the back of his SUV.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
01/10/23 4:49:02 PM
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So someone on Biden's team found documents, let the right people know, and handed them over the next day.

For Trump it was the government saying, hey we think you have documents. 6 months later he says "oh here's some." Over the next 10 months or so the government keeps saying "you have more" and team Trump says "nah." Then Team Trump has someone else do another search and says they can't find anything. Then the government gets tired of the bullshit and just uses a search warrant and finds a ton more.

Clearly there's a difference between the two.


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Trumble
01/10/23 5:06:56 PM
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They're the same, in the same way that shoplifting a coke is the same as robbing a major bank.

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ChocoboMogALT
01/10/23 5:13:19 PM
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Trumble posted...
They're the same, in the same way that shoplifting a coke is the same as robbing a major bank.
Not shoplifting a coke,
Having your child (staffer) grab a piece of candy from the checkout, finding it, and returning it immediately.
Not even close to intentionally holding classified info at your compromised residence and refusing to return it.

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ellis123
01/10/23 5:15:30 PM
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Comparing it to shoplifting with intent is a bit of a stretch. From what is understood the files were mismanaged and were brought over to the new office accidentally after having been put into a larger stack by an aide.

So it's sort of like finding out Grandma Biden shoplifted because one of the kids she was looking after bumped into the shelf and a candy bar fell into her purse. A crime has been committed so repercussions should happen, though that is about as far as this goes.

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RyukSan
01/10/23 5:31:23 PM
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Tappor posted...
Trump isn't going to prison

Thus, neither will Biden
This.

Also, the situations are not the same.
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RyukSan
01/10/23 5:32:44 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
So someone on Biden's team found documents, let the right people know, and handed them over the next day.

For Trump it was the government saying, hey we think you have documents. 6 months later he says "oh here's some." Over the next 10 months or so the government keeps saying "you have more" and team Trump says "nah." Then Team Trump has someone else do another search and says they can't find anything. Then the government gets tired of the bullshit and just uses a search warrant and finds a ton more.

Clearly there's a difference between the two.
This is an accurate description of the major difference.
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DirkDiggles
01/10/23 5:33:01 PM
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The only difference here is as soon as they were discovered, the Biden Administration contacted the DoJ and NARA (which didn't even know the documents existed) and handed them over versus denying he took them, then screaming that they were his and demanded them back.

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Autocraticus
01/11/23 4:20:35 PM
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/biden-aides-find-second-batch-of-classified-documents-at-new-location/4042285/

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itachi15243
01/11/23 4:23:15 PM
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If it's a choice of either both or neither of them going to jail, I choose both in a heartbeat.

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s0nicfan
01/11/23 4:24:41 PM
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Autocraticus posted...
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/biden-aides-find-second-batch-of-classified-documents-at-new-location/4042285/

He just can't help himself!

The search was described as exhaustive, with the goal of getting a full accounting of all classified documents that may have inadvertently been packed in boxes when Biden cleared out of the vice presidents office space in January 2017.

You don't "accidentally" take classified papers, ESPECIALLY the TC/SCI papers in the first batch, out of a classified space. Every page is clearly labeled as a requirement, including the cover page, and you're not supposed to be able to even take them out of a classified space without a courier who is taking them directly to another classified space.

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mustachedmystic
01/11/23 4:28:23 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
You don't "accidentally" take classified papers, ESPECIALLY the TC/SCI papers in the first batch, out of a classified space. Every page is clearly labeled as a requirement, including the cover page, and you're not supposed to be able to even take them out of a classified space without a courier who is taking them directly to another classified space.
Ok, let them investigate, and prosecute Biden, and anyone else responsible for this. But, the more they push this, the bigger a hole they dig for Trump.

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UnfairRepresent
01/11/23 4:31:21 PM
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Agent_Stroud posted...


Put both of them in the same cell


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masterpug53
01/11/23 4:31:58 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Ok, let them investigate, and prosecute Biden, and anyone else responsible for this. But, the more they push this, the bigger a hole they dig for Trump.

No, you see, the more guilty Biden is in this case, the more it exonerates Trump. Didn't you go to Florida Upstairs Law College too?

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s0nicfan
01/11/23 4:37:13 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Ok, let them investigate, and prosecute Biden, and anyone else responsible for this. But, the more they push this, the bigger a hole they dig for Trump.

That's fine by me. I'm that guy who even back during the "but Hillary's emails" era thought her excuse that "I didn't realize the "C" in my emails stood for "classified"" as Secretary of State was bullshit. Anyone taking classified information out of a classified space, ESPECIALLY highly sensitive classified information, should be prosecuted. Everyone. At the very least, they should all be stripped of their clearance and denied any future attempts to restore it, effectively barring them from high level government anything.

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Flauros
01/11/23 4:38:36 PM
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Surely THIS willbe the thing to bring in DRUMPF!

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Smashingpmkns
01/11/23 4:38:40 PM
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Throw them both in prison idc

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LightHawKnight
01/11/23 4:39:00 PM
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FAQ-Checker posted...
Do the crime, do the time. Unfortunately Trump was right, he wasnt the only one mishandling classified documents. It happens all the time and Trumps situation was in no way unique. The only difference is that Trump acted like a dick and didnt return the documents when they were requested.

Cause apparently personally taking over 300 documents is mishandling.

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Vegy
01/11/23 8:53:11 PM
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Both gotta go

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Foppe
01/12/23 11:02:44 AM
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They found some in his garage.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
01/12/23 11:05:31 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
So someone on Biden's team found documents, let the right people know, and handed them over the next day.

For Trump it was the government saying, hey we think you have documents. 6 months later he says "oh here's some." Over the next 10 months or so the government keeps saying "you have more" and team Trump says "nah." Then Team Trump has someone else do another search and says they can't find anything. Then the government gets tired of the bullshit and just uses a search warrant and finds a ton more.

Clearly there's a difference between the two.

Weird quoting myself but whatever. I need to change this. I've read that they knew about Biden's documents for 2 months before saying something. And now they have found more. The difference is starting to become very tiny.


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pick4six
01/12/23 11:05:39 AM
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Ofc Republicans are being hypocritical about it, theyre only targeting Biden for stealing docs

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s0nicfan
01/12/23 12:20:42 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Weird quoting myself but whatever. I need to change this. I've read that they knew about Biden's documents for 2 months before saying something. And now they have found more. The difference is starting to become very tiny.

At this point we know they found files in at least 2 places, at least some of the files were TS/SCI classified with information about foreign nation intelligence gathering, that the first batch was found 2 months and reported immediately, but the story didn't get out until after the election, and that the first location was a think tank Biden worked at as VP (in a folder marked "personal."). We're also assuming every file has been found and recovered because his personal lawyers said they returned everything, and while Biden is certainly far more trustworthy in that regard than Trump, we should also remember that Trump's laywers said they returned everything too before an external investigation found more.

In full fairness, though, I don't think all this is personally damning of Biden. I think it's evidence that top people in government don't give a shit about following the same guidelines everyone else has to follow when handling classified materials, and I have no doubt if you went back 10 years and did a sweep of every other former president's offices/homes you'd find files too. If a regular government employee was caught with classified files in the hallway outside of the room they're stored in, they would likely be questioned, fired, have their clearance stripped, and barred from future government employment. If they took those files to another company's offices, they'd be in jail.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
01/12/23 1:47:55 PM
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s0nicfan posted...

Oh I agree. My take is that Trump was doing everything he could to NOT turn them over while Biden, I'm guessing, made a mistake and is trying to fix it.

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Unsuprised_Pika
01/12/23 2:03:27 PM
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Hopefully this gets him to drop out and let someone who isn't an ancient out of touch boomer step up as the dem nominee.

Someome who isn't just "He ain't Trump"

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divot1338
01/12/23 2:21:16 PM
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According to Fat Donnie if youre still the President you can declassify things with your mind. So Biden should be in the clear.

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s0nicfan
01/14/23 3:56:45 PM
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They found more:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64275373

Interestingly, the article actually provides a pretty valid reason for why he has so many classified files in his home, in that he's been spending about as much time in Delaware as Trump used to spend on his resort golf course:
During his time in office, Mr Biden has spent nearly 200 days - or more than a fourth of his presidency - in his home state of Delaware, according to an Associated Press tally, including a stay in Wilmington this weekend.

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