Current Events > Iowa bill to legalize CHILD LABOR and no liability if they DIE

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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2023/02/06/key-points-of-bill-to-change-iowa-child-labor-law/69870761007/

A new bill introduced in the Iowa Legislature would rewrite Iowa's child labor law to allow teens to work in previously prohibited jobs so long as they are part of an approved training program.

Bill also would shield businesses from liability
The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence. A business also would be free of civil liability if a student is hurt because of the teen's negligence on the job or is injured traveling to or from work.
A company could face fines of up to $10,000 for violations under the bill, but the state's labor commissioner could reduce or waive the penalty.

The U.S. literally going backwards in real time

https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1623015577685196800?t=Yqm3wM5YKhrQeR5iSgPsLA&s=19

https://www.commondreams.org/news/iowa-child-labor-laws

Labor advocates on Tuesday decried a business-backed bill introduced by Republican state lawmakers in Iowa that would roll back child labor laws so that teens as young as 14 could work in previously prohibited jobs including mining, logging, and animal slaughteringa proposal one union president called dangerous and "just crazy."

Senate File 167, introduced by state Sen. Jason Schultz (R-6) would expand job options available to teensincluding letting children as young as 14 work in freezers and meat coolers and loading and unloading light tools, under certain conditions.

Teens under 18 would still be generally barred from employment in fields including mining, logging, demolition, and meatpacking, and from operating potentially dangerous machinery and equipment including circular saws, guillotine shears, and punching machines.

However, the Des Moines Registerreports the proposed law contains "an entirely new section" that "would allow the Iowa Workforce Development and state Department of Education heads to make exceptions to any of the prohibited jobs for teens 14-17 'participating in work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program.'"

Alucard188 posted...

https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1623015577685196800?t=Yqm3wM5YKhrQeR5iSgPsLA&s=19

Yep. Insert drake meme with "teaching kids about tran peoples: no, literal child gangmasters: yes"

I hate how reactionary this current era is.

Master_Bass posted...

I hate how reactionary this current era is.

You support this bill?
@Master_Bass

Where is Hine when you need him?

So these peo ppl are evil

ScazarMeltex posted...

Lobbying for this or bringing it to a vote is justification for French Revolution style shit.

They should probably remove teens working the guillotine from the bill.

Any politician who doesn't immediately disavow this and all involved should be stripped of their position and never again allowed to be involved in a political job in any capacity again.

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point is they want kids to work dangerous jobs

which will cost money because they will get hurt

And they want to allow kids 14 1/2 to be able to drive by themselves to work... WTF?!

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The U.S. literally going backwards in real time

to own the libs

Can felons work these jobs? Why not open these positions to people who already have a hard time finding a job instead of children? If felons can already apply, forgive my ignorance.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Because they want kids too dumb to realize how dangerous these jobs are. That's also why they want the liability shield.

Also there's no need to pay for benefits, as they're on their parents' insurance and forbidden from full-time anyway.

i really wish we'd start prosecuting the literal crimes against humanity these fuckers keep committing.

WingsOfGood posted...

You support this bill?
@Master_Bass

Lmao, no. I said I hated reactionaries.

In political science, a reactionary or a reactionist is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which that person believes possessed positive characteristics absent from contemporary society.

Definitely seems like it will lead to extremely shady business practices.

I get that kids could work these jobs but why are children being considered for this? Does Iowa have a dwindling population of age-appropriate hires?

Suolevram posted...

Can felons work these jobs? Why not open these positions to people who already have a hard time finding a job instead of children? If felons can already apply, forgive my ignorance.

Well it's not like there's a shortage of workers anyway. Just a shortage of workers willing to work for peanuts.

Master_Bass posted...

Lmao, no. I said I hated reactionaries.

oh thanks, didn't know this thought it referred to people on the internet reacting to stuff quickly

Suolevram posted...

I get that kids could work these jobs but why are children being considered for this? Does Iowa have a dwindling population of age-appropriate hires?

obligatory Jacobin: https://jacobin.com/2015/09/mcdonalds-seiu-minimum-wage-strike

tl;dr - Kids are cheap labor, because their cost-of-living is punted to parents.

Suolevram posted...

Definitely seems like it will lead to extremely shady business practices.

I get that kids could work these jobs but why are children being considered for this? Does Iowa have a dwindling population of age-appropriate hires?

Adults don't want their min wage

Hourly Minimum Wage in Iowa
The state-wide minimum wage for Iowa is $7.25 per hour as of January 01, 2023.

WingsOfGood posted...

oh thanks, didn't know this thought it referred to people on the internet reacting to stuff quickly

No problem, I see how the mixup could happen.

Alright, I guess wages could be a potential reason as to why. This beckons the question: why not raise wages to entice new hires? It's not that hard to pay someone their worth considering they're going into mines and extremely dangerous conditions are present. 7.25 an hour to put my life on the line daily? Yeah I'd look for work elsewhere.

Even still, considering putting children into these conditions is just so ass backwards.

I know the answer to my first question: CEO bonuses and company profits can't take a hit especially if it means paying a livable wages to your employees.

Suolevram posted...

why not raise wages to entice new hires?

lol

Is there not federal laws that prevent them from doing this?

WingsOfGood posted...

lol

This, really.

If kids can't/won't do it here, there's a line of eleven-year-olds in Bangladesh waiting for the job.

WingsOfGood posted...

lol

I know it's unthinkable... but still...

Left4Doge posted...

Is there not federal laws that prevent them from doing this?

Probably. Hopefully. But who fucking knows if they're worth the paper they're written on with this Supreme court.

The liability shield is especially ironic because the adults that are working those jobs don't have a liability shield. This would just incentivise these company's to hire children explicitly instead of adults.

A_Good_Boy posted...

The liability shield is especially ironic because the adults that are working those jobs don't have a liability shield. This would just incentivise these company's to hire children explicitly instead of adults.

as intended

Ron Swanson agrees!

I think the liability shield is "art of the deal" shenanigans. Offer up something absurd, then "negotiate" to what you actually wanted.

Remember when we learned about tar and feathering? Seems like as good a time as any to put that into practice.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I think the liability shield is "art of the deal" shenanigans. Offer up something absurd, then "negotiate" to what you actually wanted.

I'm very much giving the benefit of the doubt, but Iowa law provides that workers'compensation is the sole remedy for typical negligence, by either employees or the employer, that results in bodily injury and/or death. A civil cause of action against the employer only accrues on a showing of gross negligence, which is a distinct claim from claims of normal negligence.

My gut instinct is that workers' compensation would cover the students here, but like I said, huge benefit of the doubt.

ThePieReborn posted...

I'm very much giving the benefit of the doubt, but Iowa law provides that workers' compensation is the sole remedy for typical negligence, by either employees or the employer, that results in bodily injury and/or death. A civil cause of action against the employer only accrues on a showing of gross negligence, which is a distinct claim from claims of normal negligence.

Alright then, this is just making child labor in line with adult labor.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Alright then, this is just making child labor in line with adult labor.

Yeah, not keen on the child labor part and please don't misconstrue my post as defending the bill. Just saying that the students, if this passes, should still have a way to get support if they're injured.

Again, that being said, I wouldn't want any teen near the tools in a meat processing plant. I've seen enough injuries from that shit with adults and it's already fucking terrifying.

ThePieReborn posted...

Yeah, not keen on the child labor part and please don't misconstrue my post as defending the bill.

I'm not either.
The amoral "this is why" take does tend to piss off CE, though, which is amusing by itself.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm not either.
The amoral "this is why" take does tend to piss off CE, though, which is amusing by itself.

Oh, I know. That's my every day as an insurance defense attorney.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm not either.
The amoral "this is why" take does tend to piss off CE, though, which is amusing by itself.

Is that why you do it so much? You enjoy pissing off people?

Ruvan22 posted...

Is that why you do it so much? You enjoy pissing off people?

No, that's just a bonus.

I wish we had a work-oriented culture when I was 14, I would have had a lot more skills developed by the time I was 25. Provided I didn't die on shift.

Question loves to kiss big corps butts. He has other motives.

Those same lawmakers are now running to their dictionaries to find alternative terms for "slave" for the next bill they wish to pass.

Gggggeeeeee I wonder why republicans are so hell bent on 'protecting' babies ie forcing poor mothers to give birth.