Board 8 > Super Bowl LVII Discussion Topic

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Ashethan posted...

But is it a bigger failure if they get Aaron Rodgers or if they don't?

One contains false hope for the delusional. One just accepts the despair.

Leonhart4 posted...

Having to roll out Zach Wilson again next year definitely has greater disaster potential

In the short term, maybe. But I'm not so sure about the long term. Would've been much better to have just signed Derek Carr honestly.

Baker to Tampa.

I feel like Rodgers is more likely to end merely in disappointment rather than disaster.

What's going to really be a disappointment is when Aaron Rodgers doesn't announce what he's going to do, and instead announces his new NFT and then we have to spend the next six weeks talking about what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.

Rodgers just announced on McAfee that he intends to play for the New York Jets

The Jets circus of repeating the same mistakes over and over again

If the Jets can protect Rodgers, they'll actually be a legit contender next season.

I get that Jets fans are addicted to losing, and the fear that might change because someone they personally hate for dumb reasons has decided he wants to play for them next season is going to override the rational parts of their brains, but if I was a Jets fan, I'd be excited that we will actually be relevant for the first time since Rex Ryan.

It would be one thing if the Jets had an even slightly promising QB situation, but they obviously don't and this gives them by far the best shot at winning a championship of the options available.

And I get wanting Lamar instead, but then you're stuck long term with a guy who hasn't had any playoff success (also assuming he even decides he wants to play when his team gets there) and has missed a ton of games in the back halves of the past two seasons. So if you're looking at making the playoffs more long term, but not having much success there, he's a better option. Not if you want to win it all though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1636060361471270913

Also Juju to the Patriots

Also Cowboys apparently gonna cut Zeke - https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1636005376695869440

Leonhart4 posted...

Also Juju to the Patriots

Gross. At least he got a ring first, I guess

Also for the record, even Rodgers' worst seasons are better than any season any Jets QB has ever had from an advanced metrics perspective, so even if he's not what he was, he's an improvement.

Leonhart4 posted...

Also for the record, even Rodgers' worst seasons are better than any season any Jets QB has ever had from an advanced metrics perspective, so even if he's not what he was, he's an improvement.

Sure, but they're also giving up draft picks for a guy who'll produce maybe two years. Rodgers is better than what they've had, but... Derek Carr would be too. And he wouldn't have cost draft picks. Unless the compensation is really low (and I doubt it, given they haven't worked it out yet) I feel like it's trading the future for a very small shot at a Lombardi.

You guys do realize Rodgers has won two of the last three NFL MVP awards, right? He's not some has-been who can't play anymore....

There have been reports that the Packers aren't even necessarily asking for a 1st round pick, probably as a favor for the Jets taking that massive contract off their books (and partly because they just want this to be over with and they don't want talks to break down because of them).

Also Rodgers' "bad year" last year was still better statistically than Derek Carr's. Carr is a fine option if you think all you need to win the Super Bowl is a serviceable QB, but he's not going to be THE reason you win it. You might only get two average seasons from Rodgers, but the ceiling is much higher. It's also important to remember he played most of last season with a broken thumb.

MrSmartGuy posted...

You guys do realize Rodgers has won two of the last three NFL MVP awards, right? He's not some has-been who can't play anymore....

I think it's more last season was a clear regression, and he's freakin 39. It's more anticipatory than realized and I don't think that's unfair.

Rodgers had a "clear regression" before his two MVP seasons too

Brissett to Washington
PJ Walker to Free Agency

Brissett is a good pickup for Washington

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35865573/georgia-dt-jalen-carter-9-lbs-heavier-struggles-pro-day

Cowboys sent out a "Thank you Zeke" post which is as official as anything that he's gone

Panthers pick up Miles Sanders.

Emeraldegg posted...

I think it's more last season was a clear regression, and he's freakin 39. It's more anticipatory than realized and I don't think that's unfair.

honestly the same could have been said after Brady's last season in New England, except he was even older. In fact im pretty sure it was said

Brady was a free agent though, so the compensation point is fair

Yeah, Brady wasn't good his last season in New England.

(He wasn't very good his first season in Tampa either but nobody remembers that part)

theawesomestevr posted...

I get that Jets fans are addicted to losing, and the fear that might change because someone they personally hate for dumb reasons has decided he wants to play for them next season is going to override the rational parts of their brains, but if I was a Jets fan, I'd be excited that we will actually be relevant for the first time since Rex Ryan.

hey.

i take offense to "for dumb reasons"

I think there's plenty of reason to think that Rodgers's attitude has the potential to be toxic to a team full of young talent given how he treated young players literally last year. Now maybe you can argue that that was just him being petty af and taking out his dislike for the Packers front office on the players but that isn't much better! IDK, maybe he has a complete change in attitude now that he's (basically) on the Jets but I really doubt it - nothing we've seen from him the past 3 years indicates that's likely.

Hell, Jets front office has been so bad at drafting historically that I honestly don't value draft picks (for them) as highly as most because I internally just think "oh their first round pick? well they'd just draft a bust anyway. or else drive away an actually good player within three years" so in theory I kinda get the front office's fixation on trying to just cobble a team together in free agency by grabbing vets/big names... but again, for the first time since - like you said, Rex Ryan - it felt like they might have gotten a good coach and GM combo and maybe this changed but I think the philosophy from ownership remains unchanged and they might ruin that.

tl;dr: Obviously Rodgers objectively should make the team considerably better. Kinda hard not to because the QB situation was so bad. But this feels very short-sighted and potentially risking what looked like, for once, a kinda promising long-term situation.

I mean, I guess you're not entirely wrong that my personal feelings about Rodgers means that even if they have success here my feelings will be muted about it but whatever - it's basically done now.

Swagkage defecting to the hidden village of the Bayou

Minshew Mania takes his talents to Indy

Toxic yes. He could pollute the entire team.

And let's not delude ourselves, he'd be no better than the 6th or 7th best QB in the AFC, but he'd act like he was their god and demand to be treated as such.

Thorn posted...

I think there's plenty of reason to think that Rodgers's attitude has the potential to be toxic to a team full of young talent given how he treated young players literally last year.

This was always a non-story that certain people in the media tried their best to make a narrative out of. I think the criticisms of him not showing up for OTAs are fair (particularly when he was going to need to lean on rookie WRs last season) - he seems to think that just because they don't provide him any personal benefit that it doesn't matter.

But veteran players, especially the QB, making it clear to rookies what's required for the team to be successful is not some crazy toxic approach, and it wasn't like it was made out to be by some where he was overly harsh on them 24/7. He went out of his way at times to compliment Doubs, Watson, and Toure in interviews, but he also acknowledged the obvious reality of the team's struggles last season. That's not any different than what any successful veteran QB would or should have done in that situation.

The only thing I would have been worried about in trading for him from the Jets' perspective is how much he even wants to play, but it seemed pretty clear from the McAfee interview that he's motivated to play for them. So at least for next season, I'm expecting him to light it up.

Granted, he's 39 and not very mobile anymore, so he needs to stay healthy and they need to be able to protect him, but outside that I expect him to be rock solid next season.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And let's not delude ourselves, he'd be no better than the 6th or 7th best QB in the AFC, but he'd act like he was their god and demand to be treated as such.

But that's like... half of your posts (particularly this one) in NFL threads.

The other half are usually pretty intelligent or at least hide kernels of truth in them. Not trying to crap on you hard or anything - just amused by your wording.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And let's not delude ourselves, he'd be no better than the 6th or 7th best QB in the AFC, but he'd act like he was their god and demand to be treated as such.

I'd say 8th. (In no order, cause I don't feel like ordering: Tua, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Lawrence, Mahomes, Herbert) But there's a pretty big gap between 8th and 9th.

And all those players have one thing in common: They're under 30. Rodgers definitely makes the Jets better, but the picks that will be traded to get him would have played longer than he will, and I don't see the Jets winning more than one playoff game barring serious injuries on other teams.

8th best is still way better than worst QB in the AFC. The Jets don't necessarily need Rodgers to be the best QB in the AFC to win anyway.

Leonhart4 posted...

8th best is still way better than worst QB in the AFC. The Jets don't necessarily need Rodgers to be the best QB in the AFC to win anyway.

True. But I feel the AFC is so stacked these days that giving up draft picks for a QB who won't be there in a couple years still isn't the best option. If they win a super bowl, it'll be worth it. But I don't see that happening.

I think Jets would probably be a top 3-4 team easily to get out of the AFC with Rodgers, especially with their weapons and insane defensive talent

Like the only ones I probably wouldnt put them above are the Bengals and Chiefs, and maybe the Bills but the Bills have the same fate the Jets generally do

Ashethan posted...

True. But I feel the AFC is so stacked these days that giving up draft picks for a QB who won't be there in a couple years still isn't the best option. If they win a super bowl, it'll be worth it. But I don't see that happening.

They don't even get a home playoff game, which is something that hasn't happened for the franchise in... Over 2 decades?

The Bengals/Bills/Chiefs/Jaguars are your top 4 seeds. The Jaguars are in position to murder their division and by no means feel like they're locked to just the 4 - It's the Jaguars and 3 teams that might combine for 10-12 wins.

5 and 6 go to Chargers and Jets. They should be a clear step above any other playoff contender.. Unless Baltimore keeps Lamar, in which case these are your 5-7 in some order.

Otherwise, 7 goes to whichever 9-8 scrub wants it this year. The 7 seed in the AFC will basically just a ritual sacrifice to the 2.

Like, if the Jets don't comfortably make the playoffs, it's a disaster, but I think Buffalo will actually have this thing called a running game next year and Rodgers does not put the Jets above them. I don't see this team going into, say, Cincinnati, on wild card weekend and winning.

There's still a lot to be done before the season, but the AFC East will feature three potentially really good teams and the Patriots. It'll be tough sledding for the Jets, for sure, but I don't think the compensation will be as big as people are fearing. At least everything I've heard so far is saying maybe two draft picks and it's possible neither is a 1st.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is the NFC South, which could feature all 4 teams with week 1 starters who weren't even on the roster last year if Heinicke wins the job over Ridder.

Ashethan posted...

I'd say 8th. (In no order, cause I don't feel like ordering: Tua, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Lawrence, Mahomes, Herbert) But there's a pretty big gap between 8th and 9th.

half these guys haven't won a playoff game lol

edit: I forgot Lamar has one playoff win so I guess only two of them haven't. derp

Only Tua and Herbert haven't won a playoff game among that list, actually.

Half of those QBs do have injury concerns though, so if Rodgers can stay healthy, they might win a war of attrition.

Leonhart4 posted...

Only Tua and Herbert haven't won a playoff game among that list, actually.

Half of those QBs do have injury concerns though, so if Rodgers can stay healthy, they might win a war of attrition.

Herbert won 57 minutes of a playoff game!

Crescent-Moon posted...

Herbert won 57 minutes of a playoff game!

Actually won 60 minutes of a playoff game. Jags won that one as time expired.

Ashethan posted...

Actually won 60 minutes of a playoff game. Jags won that one as time expired.

I'm counting the time it took to take the lead in the first place though.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Herbert won 57 minutes of a playoff game!

Well if we're going there, Lawrence has lead for 0 total minutes in the playoffs!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/3/AANkj4AAESmH.jpg

Lol?
Lmao?

is he wrong

depends on what you value whether you put him over Bart Starr but I feel like it's hard to argue he's not better than Favre

depends on the metric

like what if it's "just having fun out there"

Thorn posted...

depends on the metric

like what if it's "just having fun out there"

nobody got "he looks like he's just having fun out there" more than Favre, true

but I'm pretty sure he was John Madden's favorite player so he definitely gushed over him all the time

_PandaMaster_ posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/3/AANkj4AAESmH.jpg

Lol?
Lmao?

And people wonder why so many Packers fans have turned on this douchebag