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SwayM posted...

TC is a known marvel hater lol

Imagine your whole existence is trying to will a very popular thing into failure.

*pats head*

You keep up the good fight my man.

where am i doing this... ? i've accepted defeat. however, i am still allowed to be a hater 8)

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

No you didnt. Not even a little bit, with the video game stuff. And then to IMMEDIATELY turn it into a smug "Can you BELIEVE these people?" based on your own comment is just a bit much.

i'm reading the cards. are you reading the cards?

zither let me ask bluntly - what would it take to get you back into nflbcord, even just to say hi

TaylorHeinicke posted...

zither let me ask bluntly - what would it take to get you back into nflbcord, even just to say hi

the only time ive gone back was the nephew/freya drama

need some level of cool drama i guess

already turned down returning for baseball season as i've done in the past

Zithers posted...

need some level of cool drama i guess

bruh how will you be made aware of the drama if you arent there to witness it

it's a catch 22

Zithers posted...

idk man, the hollywood studio system also allowed people like john ford, howard hawks, ernst lubitsch, vincente minnelli, alfred hitchcock, and so forth do whatever they wanted and have their own voice. and they had large budgets and movie stars. not having to beg for handouts like the coen bros or scorsese are doing with netflix and apple tv.

Even then, there's a reason why there was a massive oversaturation of Westerns and gangster movies during that time period.

Sonic Boom but it's based on TF2

TaylorHeinicke posted...

bruh how will you be made aware of the drama if you arent there to witness it

it's a catch 22

i hear whispers

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Even then, there's a reason why there was a massive oversaturation of Westerns and gangster movies during that time period.

do you actually believe westerns and gangster movies had the market share back then that superhero movies do now

serious question. genuinely curious if this is what normies believe.

Zithers posted...

do you actually believe westerns and gangster movies had the market share back then that superhero movies do now

I never said that they did, but I also don't see how this is relevant to my point.

The thing with Westerns is that they were a lot cheaper to make, and therefore didn't eat up as much of a studio's resources. But that doesn't dispute the fact that classic Hollywood wasn't as auteur-driven as you're making it out to be. Back then, Hollywood had the same "stagnation" problem as you're claiming they do now, which was only exacerbated once other places (like France with the French New Wave) started producing their own movies and came in with a unique approach to filmmaking.

The 60s-70s era of Hollywood came about because there was now an entire generation of young directors and writers who had studied film in school and were gaining more exposure to filmmakers overseas. They provided a fresh take to Hollywood because they weren't just studying American filmmakers, but a variety of filmmakers from around the world. Then Star Wars and Jaws dropped, and Hollywood went right back to making marketable blockbusters, which is how we ended up with an abundance of 80s sci-fi action movies and slasher flicks.

It's like people have forgotten that if they don't want to watch superhero movies, they don't have to.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I never said that they did, but I also don't see how this is relevant to my point.

The thing with Westerns is that they were a lot cheaper to make, and therefore didn't eat up as much of a studio's resources. But that doesn't dispute the fact that classic Hollywood wasn't as auteur-driven as you're making it out to be. Back then, Hollywood had the same "stagnation" problem as you're claiming they do now, which was only exacerbated once other places (like France with the French New Wave) started producing their own movies and came in with a unique approach to filmmaking.

The 60s-70s era of Hollywood came about because there was now an entire generation of young directors and writers who had studied film in school and were gaining more exposure to filmmakers overseas. They provided a fresh take to Hollywood because they weren't just studying American filmmakers, but a variety of filmmakers from around the world. Then Star Wars and Jaws dropped, and Hollywood went right back to making marketable blockbusters, which is how we ended up with an abundance of 80s sci-fi action movies and slasher flicks.

wow thanks for the history lesson. i had no idea. i'm being sarcastic btw. i know plenty of movies from [insert genre] were made back then. the point is that is good because it meant there was variety that people got to enjoy and everything wasn't made with the purpose of franchising and creating never-ending universes and making sure everyone liked the same thing and only that thing.

also the classic studio era and new hollywood were both clearly more auteur driven than today's hollywood. possibly why movies are so fucking shitty now.

Sphyx posted...

It's like people have forgotten that if they don't want to watch superhero movies, they don't have to.

I don't watch them, and waddayaknow they still bother me, imagine that

Mr_hulk88 posted...

I don't watch them, and waddayaknow they still bother me, imagine that

the market share they have is suffocating the making of movies i would like to see so yeah they suck big ass imo

bump anyone else got any thoughts on video game adaptations being the new way forward for the film and television industry

You should be worried about video game adaptations whenever they greenlight a Fortnite movie starring The Rock. As of right now, the Borderlands movie will probably kill the momentum for a few years.

Smashingpmkns posted...

You should be worried about video game adaptations whenever they greenlight a Fortnite movie starring The Rock. As of right now, the Borderlands movie will probably kill the momentum for a few years.

the success of mario bros and tlou, along with the recent success of pikachu and sonic and to a lesser extent uncharted, is gonna seriously outweigh borderlands being a disaster. or that monster hunter movie not doing much (which also came out during covid iirc)

Zithers posted...

the success of mario bros and tlou, along with the recent success of pikachu and sonic and to a lesser extent uncharted, is gonna seriously outweigh borderlands being a disaster. or that monster hunter movie not doing much (which also came out during covid iirc)

Really doubt it. Mario is an animated adaptation and no one takes animation seriously still (even though we should) and doesn't determine anything in the pipeline. TLOU is a TV show, same with Fallout whenever that comes out. Both won't have an effect on the movie space. We might get more video game TV shows, but we've been getting those sparingly for a few years now.

Uncharted did poorly. Sonic is for literal babies. And Pikachu was a flash in the pan. We probably won't get another big Nintendo movie for 5 or so years, if not more. There's the Death Stranding movie in pre-pro rn but that will probably be good.

Imo more animated video game adaptation would be a net positive for animated movies. Better than the schlock Disney has been churning out

Smashingpmkns posted...

Really doubt it. Mario is an animated adaptation and no one takes animation seriously still (even though we should) and doesn't determine anything in the pipeline. TLOU is a TV show, same with Fallout whenever that comes out. Both won't have an effect on the movie space. We might get more video game TV shows, but we've been getting those sparingly for a few years now.

Uncharted did poorly. Sonic is for literal babies. And Pikachu was a flash in the pan. We probably won't get another big Nintendo movie for 5 or so years, if not more. There's the Death Stranding movie in pre-pro rn but that will probably be good.

Imo more animated video game adaptation would be a net positive for animated movies. Better than the schlock Disney has been churning out

grownups love toons. ask @blue_inigo he thinks toons are better than live action movies despite 30 years old. i should also make it clear that tv shows based on video games is super cringe as well and bad for the medium btw.

uncharted still made 400m in a recovering theatrical landscape. studios will see that number and think they can make something cheaper and put it out in a more normalized box office era post-covid and do well. dunno how pikachu can be called a flash in the pan when we are now seeing video game adaptations receive critical acclaim and/or big box office numbers. also again there are tons of grownups who like the two sonic movies, which made 300m and 400m (pikachu made 430m).

mario will blow the doors off and immediately get a sequel, probably some nintendo spinoffs, until they get a smash bros movie. last of us is gonna rake in emmy's and legitimize the medium as worthy of prestige tv adaptations. david e kelley or sam esmail or d&d will be asked to adapt some bullshit for tv. its gonna be super embarrassing to see adults who know better acting like video games have rich narrative texts.

Zithers posted...

grownups love toons. ask @blue_inigo he thinks toons are better than live action movies despite 30 years old. i should also make it clear that tv shows based on video games is super cringe as well and bad for the medium btw.

uncharted still made 400m in a recovering theatrical landscape. studios will see that number and think they can make something cheaper and put it out in a more normalized box office era post-covid and do well. dunno how pikachu can be called a flash in the pan when we are now seeing video game adaptations receive critical acclaim and/or big box office numbers. also again there are tons of grownups who like the two sonic movies, which made 300m and 400m (pikachu made 430m).

mario will blow the doors off and immediately get a sequel, probably some nintendo spinoffs, until they get a smash bros movie. last of us is gonna rake in emmy's and legitimize the medium as worthy of prestige tv adaptations. david e kelley or sam esmail or d&d will be asked to adapt some bullshit for tv. its gonna be super embarrassing to see adults who know better acting like video games have rich narrative texts.

Doesnt change that animated movies have absolutely no impact on anything other then trends of other animated movies. Less that even, and really more like they just inspire twin films, which has been an issue since like the 20s. A successful animated Mario movie isn't gonna get Sony to hurry production on that MGS movie for instance.

That's another thing. Video game companies are incredibly disjointed. The Marvel's and DCs of the industry are Nintendo, Sony, and MS. Nintendo has to hand off their rights to Illumination to get anything made (so far) and they already have like 10 franchises running at any given time. Sony has film studios and yet the only vg movie they have in production is Gran Turismo (doesn't exactly scream "optimistic") and they're still churning out bad Spiderman villain knock off movies instead. Microsoft has tried for years to get a movie off the ground and they've been unable to.

I just really don't see video game movies ever becoming as popular as comic book movies have been. TV show vg adaptations are fine. Who cares. TV is filled with way worse schlock than video game adaptations, and it won't even come close to controlling the TV space like something like bad fantasy has been for the past few years.

Zithers is very out of touch when it comes to appreciating animation as an art form

the average animation appreciator is either an anime coomer or someone who is developmentally stunted and just watches things made for children

then there is 1% of them who are normal and actually watch all kinds of animation and also enjoy other stuff like normal grownups

Zithers posted...

the average animation appreciator is either an anime coomer or someone who is developmentally stunted and just watches things made for children

then there is 1% of them who are normal and actually watch all kinds of animation and also enjoy other stuff like normal grownups

You just went full Sunhawk. Never go full Sunhawk.

Thank God they are all trash

Zithers posted...

the average animation appreciator is either an anime coomer or someone who is developmentally stunted and just watches things made for children

then there is 1% of them who are normal and actually watch all kinds of animation and also enjoy other stuff like normal grownups

Dude crying about the death of cinema when he has zero respect for a medium to tell stories and probably hasn't even heard of things like Mad God, Scanner Darkly, Wolf House, Waltz with Bashir, Anomalisa, or Fantastic Planet, let alone seen them.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Dude crying about the death of cinema when he has zero respect for a medium to tell stories and probably hasn't even heard of things like Mad God, Scanner Darkly, Wolf House, Waltz with Bashir, Anomalisa, or Fantastic Planet, let alone seen them.

you would be wrong but you can apply this statement to the average person claiming to enjoy animation but just watches boku no pico or steven universe or attack on titan or w/e

Zithers posted...

you would be wrong but you can apply this statement to the average person claiming to enjoy animation but just watches boku no pico

lmao what

the average person is not watching that

ppl are still gonna argue with you anyway tho

Zithers posted...

sorry that i am not a thumbsucking baby who loves superhero movies =(

Both missing the point AND proving me right, impressive

https://twitter.com/BilgeEbiri/status/1626663318541697025

:O

Who really gets this obsessive over something they hate tho