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Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 3:42:59 PM #1:	At least on the internet anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNo5lZCq5M --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971588338] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>At least on the internet anyway.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNo5lZCq5M</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/15/23 3:45:09 PM #2:	23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two. tl;dw, please. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971588389] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two.tl;dw, please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agoat 02/15/23 3:45:12 PM #3:	I'm not watching that --- Just Imagine <cite>agoat posted [p:971588390] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>I'm not watching that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 02/15/23 3:46:07 PM #4:	Questionmarktarius posted... 23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two. tl;dw, please. If they win against Youtube, all sites are the internet are going to ban people from posting any content cause they can be held liable for it. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:971588413] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two.tl;dw, please.</quote>If they win against Youtube, all sites are the internet are going to ban people from posting any content cause they can be held liable for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/15/23 3:46:52 PM #5:	LightHawKnight posted... If they win against Youtube, all sites are the internet are going to ban people from posting any content cause they can be held liable for it. Oh, so this is just going after Section 230 again. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971588431] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted... </cite><quote>If they win against Youtube, all sites are the internet are going to ban people from posting any content cause they can be held liable for it.</quote>Oh, so this is just going after Section 230 again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 02/15/23 3:47:00 PM #6:	brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:971588436] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 3:49:33 PM #7:	Jagr_68 posted... brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties This is legit the funniest shit I've seen on this hellsite in awhile --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971588496] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted...</cite><quote>brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties</quote>This is legit the funniest shit I've seen on this hellsite in awhile</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 02/15/23 3:49:42 PM #8:	Questionmarktarius posted... 23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two. tl;dw, please. Case is going in front of the Supreme Court that could basically make websites liable for everything that is on the site and/or pushed by it's (specifically youtubes) algorithms --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:971588500] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>23 minutes that could have been a paragraph or two.tl;dw, please.</quote>Case is going in front of the Supreme Court that could basically make websites liable for everything that is on the site and/or pushed by it's (specifically youtubes) algorithms </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 02/15/23 3:52:31 PM #10:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] And he can grope my mantitties any day --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:971588572] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And he can grope my mantitties any day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 3:53:20 PM #11:	M_Live posted... I'll defend Legal Eagle here in that he does also make shorter videos, but his longer videos are usually to thoroughly explain things and explain complex legal semantics in more understandable ways. I'm actually a fan of his & the way he explains things This, tbh. He breaks down complicated issues and explains context very well. If its a bit long for some people I understand though. --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971588587] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>M_Live posted...</cite><quote>I'll defend Legal Eagle here in that he does also make shorter videos, but his longer videos are usually to thoroughly explain things and explain complex legal semantics in more understandable ways. I'm actually a fan of his & the way he explains things </quote>This, tbh. He breaks down complicated issues and explains context very well. If its a bit long for some people I understand though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 02/15/23 3:55:18 PM #12:	HylianFox posted... And he can grope my mantitties any day --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:971588629] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>And he can grope my mantitties any day</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomClark 02/15/23 3:56:05 PM #13:	Or just its career. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif <cite>TomClark posted [p:971588641] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Or just its career.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 02/15/23 3:56:52 PM #15:	so basically, they want to hold websites accountable for what their users say? <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:971588659] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>so basically, they want to hold websites accountable for what their users say?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuscleRobo 02/15/23 3:56:54 PM #16:	People already cheer censorship and editing at every chance they get here. <cite>MuscleRobo posted [p:971588662] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>People already cheer censorship and editing at every chance they get here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 3:59:56 PM #17:	metallica846 posted... Does this mean Facebook and Twitter would have to shut down? If I understand correctly all they might have to do is remove anything that automatically curates content to users. It would depend on how much of 230 the SC decides to tamper with. At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted. --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971588735] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted...</cite><quote>Does this mean Facebook and Twitter would have to shut down?</quote>If I understand correctly all they might have to do is remove anything that automatically curates content to users. It would depend on how much of 230 the SC decides to tamper with. At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/15/23 4:01:16 PM #18:	I'm really at a loss as to why conservatives want tot go after Section 230 so much. Maybe that video breaks it down. It sounds to me that if Section 230 was repealed then all that would do is give these social media companies the incentive to target free conservative speech for real in the way that they fear because now the companies would be held liable to the things that people say, and conservatives are constantly posting death threats, rape threats, hate speech, and other sorts of things where they wish to inflict physical harm on people. Section 230 is a conservatives best friend, not their enemy. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:971588765] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>I'm really at a loss as to why conservatives want tot go after Section 230 so much. Maybe that video breaks it down. It sounds to me that if Section 230 was repealed then all that would do is give these social media companies the incentive to target free conservative speech for real in the way that they fear because now the companies would be held liable to the things that people say, and conservatives are constantly posting death threats, rape threats, hate speech, and other sorts of things where they wish to inflict physical harm on people. Section 230 is a conservatives best friend, not their enemy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/15/23 4:01:31 PM #20:	Shadow-Bolt posted... At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted. Fair. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971588775] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Shadow-Bolt posted... </cite><quote>At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted.</quote>Fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 02/15/23 4:02:09 PM #21:	Shadow-Bolt posted... If I understand correctly all they might have to do is remove anything that automatically curates content to users. It would depend on how much of 230 the SC decides to tamper with. At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted. That... doesn't sound bad at all. :/ --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:971588787] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Shadow-Bolt posted... </cite><quote>If I understand correctly all they might have to do is remove anything that automatically curates content to users. It would depend on how much of 230 the SC decides to tamper with. At the moment the contested part is that by recommending content to users Youtube et al stop being a platform to host content and start being a move active "publisher" of content hosted.</quote>That... doesn't sound bad at all.:/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/15/23 4:03:15 PM #22:	HylianFox posted... That... doesn't sound bad at all. Well, the obvious downside is that "recommended" instantly becomes "promoted". <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971588815] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>That... doesn't sound bad at all.</quote>Well, the obvious downside is that "recommended" instantly becomes "promoted".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 4:18:46 PM #23:	HylianFox posted... That... doesn't sound bad at all. :/ And realistically, if that's all that happens, its not that bad. However, there's no telling how the SCOTUS will handle this case. They might decide to uphold 230 as is. They might decide to scrap it, which would force a divided congress to either draft a new Free Speech On The Internet protection bill (yeah right) or it would make hosting websites equally liable for any content on their sites. It could also be anywhere in between. With the conservative slant of the SCOTUS atm it is difficult to say where they'll come down. 5 years ago I don't think they even would have heard this issue. Now? Who knows --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971589197] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted...</cite><quote>That... doesn't sound bad at all.:/</quote>And realistically, if that's all that happens, its not that bad. However, there's no telling how the SCOTUS will handle this case. They might decide to uphold 230 as is. They might decide to scrap it, which would force a divided congress to either draft a new Free Speech On The Internet protection bill (yeah right) or it would make hosting websites equally liable for any content on their sites. It could also be anywhere in between. With the conservative slant of the SCOTUS atm it is difficult to say where they'll come down. 5 years ago I don't think they even would have heard this issue. Now? Who knows</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 4:34:34 PM #25:	metallica846 posted... How is that the death of free speech again? Shadow-Bolt posted... They might decide to scrap it, which would force a divided congress to either draft a new Free Speech On The Internet protection bill (yeah right) or it would make hosting websites equally liable for any content on their sites. This part, which is something conservatives have been pushing to make happen for awhile now. If, for example, Facebook can be held liable for anything posted on their website that puts them on the hook for any "libel" their users spread about, say, a politician. --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971589596] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted...</cite><quote>How is that the death of free speech again?</quote>Shadow-Bolt posted...</cite><quote>They might decide to scrap it, which would force a divided congress to either draft a new Free Speech On The Internet protection bill (yeah right) or it would make hosting websites equally liable for any content on their sites. </quote>This part, which is something conservatives have been pushing to make happen for awhile now. If, for example, Facebook can be held liable for anything posted on their website that puts them on the hook for any "libel" their users spread about, say, a politician.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/15/23 4:38:00 PM #26:	Shadow-Bolt posted... If, for example, Facebook can be held liable for anything posted on their website that puts them on the hook for any "libel" their users spread about, say, a politician. Meanwhile, on Truth social... Gutting 230 will hose conservatives vastly more than liberals. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971589670] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Shadow-Bolt posted... </cite><quote>If, for example, Facebook can be held liable for anything posted on their website that puts them on the hook for any "libel" their users spread about, say, a politician.</quote>Meanwhile, on Truth social...Gutting 230 will hose conservatives vastly more than liberals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/15/23 4:42:56 PM #27:	This claim has already been made multiple times in multiple courts and defeated each time. Facebook and Google in particular have already defeated it in one of the circuits that allows at least some claims based on third party content posted on these platforms. Also, these people are incredibly stupid. Liberals and leftists can get by without posting racist stuff, threats of violence, etc. But that's what conservatives seem to think conservative speech is, and that's exactly what will get nuked from orbit without Section 230. Any conservative talking about anything other than dry tax policy will be banned. Maybe it's all part of a gambit. They realize they are not actually being censored by big tech now, they're being boosted. But they want an even bigger boost. They want actual direct control, so they're gonna get rid of 230, get super mad about them being banned into oblivion for planning coups and lynchings on Facebook, then use that outrage to shutter or control social media companies. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:971589789] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>This claim has already been made multiple times in multiple courts and defeated each time. Facebook and Google in particular have already defeated it in one of the circuits that allows at least some claims based on third party content posted on these platforms. Also, these people are incredibly stupid. Liberals and leftists can get by without posting racist stuff, threats of violence, etc. But that's what conservatives seem to think conservative speech is, and that's exactly what will get nuked from orbit without Section 230. Any conservative talking about anything other than dry tax policy will be banned. Maybe it's all part of a gambit. They realize they are not actually being censored by big tech now, they're being boosted. But they want an even bigger boost. They want actual direct control, so they're gonna get rid of 230, get super mad about them being banned into oblivion for planning coups and lynchings on Facebook, then use that outrage to shutter or control social media companies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PepsiWithCoke 02/15/23 4:51:17 PM #28:	legendary_zell posted... This claim has already been made multiple times in multiple courts and defeated each time. Facebook and Google in particular have already defeated it in one of the circuits that allows at least some claims based on third party content posted on these platforms. This completely ignores the fact that the Supreme Court is rigged in such a way that even the slightest crumb of plausibility means that the regressive opinion will be the majority. Until 2 or more of the bought justices croak or are "Encouraged" to retire, this country is in deep shit. --- https://i.imgur.com/fEKRafh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hgwNfD8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cgQKJhR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0CU0ivF.gifv <cite>PepsiWithCoke posted [p:971589971] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>This claim has already been made multiple times in multiple courts and defeated each time. Facebook and Google in particular have already defeated it in one of the circuits that allows at least some claims based on third party content posted on these platforms. </quote>This completely ignores the fact that the Supreme Court is rigged in such a way that even the slightest crumb of plausibility means that the regressive opinion will be the majority. Until 2 or more of the bought justices croak or are "Encouraged" to retire, this country is in deep shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 02/15/23 4:51:53 PM #29:	Jagr_68 posted... brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties Just how supple we talkin --- Common sense says it may not taste good, but it'll make a turd. <cite>Smackems posted [p:971589984] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted... </cite><quote>brb suing the legal eagle guy for attempted groping of my supple mantitties</quote>Just how supple we talkin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlemayor333 02/15/23 4:52:26 PM #30:	Republicans would get rid of user-posted content on the internet tomorrow if they could. It would just become a bunch of corporate sites and commercials like cable TV. I don't know how more people can't see this. They've won the popular vote one time since the internet started to be adopted by average households, and they've never won it since social media and smartphones became widespread with Obama's first election. The free spread of information has been a complete disaster for the Republican party. "But Trump was boosted by Facebook in 2016" yes he was but it's a drop in the bucket and he still lost the popular vote by millions. --- http://i.imgur.com/WWk7D.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hE7v5GL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sY9YLKe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9e67vqt.jpg <cite>Turtlemayor333 posted [p:971590000] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Republicans would get rid of user-posted content on the internet tomorrow if they could. It would just become a bunch of corporate sites and commercials like cable TV.I don't know how more people can't see this. They've won the popular vote one time since the internet started to be adopted by average households, and they've never won it since social media and smartphones became widespread with Obama's first election.The free spread of information has been a complete disaster for the Republican party."But Trump was boosted by Facebook in 2016" yes he was but it's a drop in the bucket and he still lost the popular vote by millions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 02/15/23 4:57:49 PM #31:	it's never about killing off the other party, just taking money from them --- We suffer from the delusion that the entire universe is held in order by the categories of human thought. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:971590146] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>it's never about killing off the other party, just taking money from them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/15/23 5:12:40 PM #32:	Turtlemayor333 posted... Republicans would get rid of user-posted content on the internet tomorrow if they could. It would just become a bunch of corporate sites and commercials like cable TV. I don't know how more people can't see this. They've won the popular vote one time since the internet started to be adopted by average households, and they've never won it since social media and smartphones became widespread with Obama's first election. The free spread of information has been a complete disaster for the Republican party. "But Trump was boosted by Facebook in 2016" yes he was but it's a drop in the bucket and he still lost the popular vote by millions. This could also explain it. It's part of the overriding drive towards the commodification and commercialization of everything that's infected everything on that side, down to their religion and their metaphysics. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:971590452] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Turtlemayor333 posted... </cite><quote>Republicans would get rid of user-posted content on the internet tomorrow if they could. It would just become a bunch of corporate sites and commercials like cable TV.I don't know how more people can't see this. They've won the popular vote one time since the internet started to be adopted by average households, and they've never won it since social media and smartphones became widespread with Obama's first election.The free spread of information has been a complete disaster for the Republican party."But Trump was boosted by Facebook in 2016" yes he was but it's a drop in the bucket and he still lost the popular vote by millions.</quote>This could also explain it. It's part of the overriding drive towards the commodification and commercialization of everything that's infected everything on that side, down to their religion and their metaphysics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 02/15/23 8:33:02 PM #33:	HylianFox posted... That... doesn't sound bad at all. :/ It can be pretty bad for any new creators. Accessing new content is going to be a lot harder, which will kill newbies and make the rich get richer. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:971594697] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>That... doesn't sound bad at all.:/</quote>It can be pretty bad for any new creators. Accessing new content is going to be a lot harder, which will kill newbies and make the rich get richer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow-Bolt 02/15/23 11:49:36 PM #35:	bump --- Call me Bolt <cite>Shadow-Bolt posted [p:971598609] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bat178 02/16/23 1:39:47 AM #36:	Why don't you post this on the Politics board? --- This is like putting a t-Rex against a chicken. - Callinater <cite>Bat178 posted [p:971600018] in Oh hey, Fr... [t:80349297]...</cite> <quote>Why don't you post this on the Politics board?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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