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tremain07
02/15/23 8:52:02 PM
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Cold and Mecha Freiza killed by Alt Future Trunks
Android 19 and 20 killed by Vegeta and Android 17
Cell killed by Gohan
Debura killed by Buu
Buu killed by the spirit bomb that only got to go off because of Satan

Then the Super era
He lost to Beerus
He cheap shotted Golden Freiza
He lost to Hit
He lost to Zamas and Black needed Zeno
He lost to Jiren straight up and needed the help of Freiza to win
He lost to Broly needed Gogeta

The manga canon is up for debate but it did let him finally beat a villain on his own in Moro but the very next arc he loses to Granola, Gas and Black Freiza

For all the memes about Goku needing to save the day he rarely actually succeded in saving the day, at least compared to his OG kid self where he barreled through every arc villain and the non canon GT, I think he beat Super 17 and Baby on his own but needed a lot of help to beat Omega Shenron

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sabin017
02/15/23 9:10:38 PM
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Is there a problem with that?

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I4NRulez
02/15/23 9:12:06 PM
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i mean who gives a shit lol

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MarcyWarcy
02/15/23 9:15:00 PM
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sabin017 posted...
Is there a problem with that?

i would say the problem is that even though that's true, the writing still makes every character except goku feel largely useless
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TMOG
02/15/23 9:15:06 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The manga canon is up for debate
Is it

The manga is the canon, a lot of the anime is either extended scenes or outright filler
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Ninjas_Beat_Me_Up
02/15/23 9:15:55 PM
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vegeta should have been allowed to be the one to defeat Frieza in resurrection f

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Savoots
02/15/23 9:21:13 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Buu killed by the spirit bomb that only got to go off because of Satan

And he needed the power of everyone on the whole fucking planet in order to do it.

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KiwiTerraRizing
02/15/23 9:22:04 PM
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Has there ever been an anime where there isnt an enormous power creep?

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ellis123
02/15/23 9:24:46 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Has there ever been an anime where there isnt an enormous power creep?
Yes.

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MarcyWarcy
02/15/23 9:25:42 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Has there ever been an anime where there isnt an enormous power creep?

ye? most animes are not shounen stuff with hundreds of episodes

the reason dbz is as nonsensically plotted as it is is because toriyama was flying by the seat of his pants writing it weekly
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Unsuprised_Pika
02/15/23 9:27:19 PM
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Savoots posted...
And he needed the power of everyone on the whole fucking planet in order to do it.

He also needed Vegeta to stall Buu to gather the energy.

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TMOG
02/15/23 9:29:06 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Has there ever been an anime where there isnt an enormous power creep?
One Piece's power creep is kind of gradual and Oda also likes to power up villains as well if they return in later arcs.

Like yeah Luffy is a lot stronger now than he was at the beginning of the series, but he's not blowing up planets or anything. He's just a really strong stretchy pirate who can become an actual cartoon character.

Most recently Oda brought back Rob Lucci from Water 7 / Enies Lobby and they put up a decent fight against Luffy at his strongest. They weren't winning but they also didn't embarrass themselves considering how relatively early their appearance was compared to the current chapter count and Luffy's growth and feats since their fight.
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A_Good_Boy
02/15/23 9:34:44 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Has there ever been an anime where there isnt an enormous power creep?
Flame of Recca

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foxhound101
02/15/23 10:05:37 PM
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Cell killed by Gohan

Goku was his own worst enemy when it came to Cell. Goku was beating him. And then gave him a sensu bean to completely restore his power.

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