Current Events > This bumper sticker should be an admission of guilt if you brake check someone

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Fluttershy posted...

You are.

i'm not.

u r

nah.

Fluttershy posted...

nah.

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if you actually had anything close to an argument you'd be able to post it.

No wonder the entire world is irreparably screwed.

Amoral psychopaths are bullying people on the road and the response is "Well some people just have different values! They're harmless if you get out of their way!" No wonder horrible people keep thriving on this awful planet.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

There's no obligation to pull over to let a speeder pass you. The speeder is supposed to slow down and travel at or below the posted speed limit.

You're flat wrong about the second part, and while you might not be obligated to let them pass...

https://magazine.northeast.aaa.com/daily/money/auto-insurance/dealing-with-a-tailgater/

Get Safely Out of the Way
If youre on a multi-lane road and its safe to move to another lane, put on your turn signal and get out of the way. This is the easiest way to deal with a tailgater and end the situation. The driver behind you is being unsafe and if you can solve the problem simply by switching lanes, then do so as soon as possible. If theres not another lane, consider turning into a parking lot.
It might be tempting to get angry at the tailgater and not let them pass. Dont let your emotions get the best of you. Tailgating is a dangerous and aggressive driving tactic.
Aggressive driving, defined by the National Highway Traffic Safety Association as a combination of moving traffic offenses that can endanger other people or property, is often the result of road rage and a major factor in fatal highway collisions each year.
A 2009 study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety based on the NHTSAs Fatal Accident Reporting System, found that aggressive driving played a role in 56% of fatal crashes from 2003 through 2007. And according to recent NHTSA data, following improperly is among the top aggressive driving behaviors associated with fatal crashes.
Its far easier to change lanes and let a tailgater pass than become one of those statistics.

Waddlez posted...

I don't get the justification for brake checking. The tailgater will pass you when they get the chance. So if you just maintain what you're doing, the tailgater will just go around you when possible. No need to make the situation more dangerous. Tailgating minimally affects you because they're behind you. They aren't impeding you from maintaining your driving forward. If there are cars in front of you, okay, slow down just as any normal person would. No need to brake check. "Oh but I might have to slam my brakes at any moment". Well, according to some people in here, you should already be at a safe distance you don't need to slam on your brakes like that.

Now if you're clogging a lane and not allowing people to pass for a long time, move the fuck over. Speed up a couple mph and get the fuck over. It's not gonna kill you. Or maybe it will.

Sometimes you slam on breaks for things completely out of your control like a dog running out into the road or more common down here deer

No wonder the entire world is irreparably screwed.

people not accepting responsibility for their decisions? yeah, it's bad.

Gob bro. You might need to learn what cause and effect means. If I told you to move your fucking grocery cart out of the way and you beat the shit out of me, I'm not the cause of you beating the shit out of me. You might need to learn to control your angry pants. Was I wrong to tell you to move your cart in that manner, yeah. Did I have some responsibility in escalating that situation? Yeah, But I didn't cause you to go ape shit. We'll agree to disagree on being accountant for one's actions.

However, I genuinely want to know. How does tailgating more than minimally affect you? When I've been tailgated, yeah it's annoying. But it doesn't stop me from forward motion, which is my goal. Then they go around me. Why make the situation worse than it already is by brake checking? I know you're not justifying brake checking either. But I do genuinely want to know how tailgating more than minimally affects your forward movement. I mean, you're not trying to slam into reverse are you? You also have side view mirrors and blind spot checks to change lanes if that's what your intention is.

Fluttershy posted...

You're incorrect.

i'm not, and you don't even have any arguments to support what you're saying. you were better off telling people to shut the fuck up, lol.

Pulling over is LITERALLY the most dangerous thing you can do.

sorry, but i'm going with AAA and progressive (and my state's driver's manual) over gremlynn on gamefaqs, thanks.

Or just use some common fucking sense and know that driving on the shoulder is illegal unless you're pulling over to stop for an emergency, and merging back onto the freeway from a dead stop is incredibly dangerous?

Or that literally the majority of vehicular accidents occur during merging / changing lanes, thus indicating that any action forcing you to do so without need is creating unnecessary additional risk?

Literally the safest course of action at all times is to simply keep up with the speed of traffic in your lane, and truck nuts Mcgee can be as mad as he wants.

Or just use some common fucking sense

https://www.progressive.com/answers/how-to-deal-with-tailgaters/
https://magazine.northeast.aaa.com/daily/money/auto-insurance/dealing-with-a-tailgater/

whine at them about it. gonna go ahead and go with their take and not gremlynn's on gamefaqs, though, thanks!

like, here's what my state's driver's safety manual has to say about it:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/chapter-3-safety-first-0/download
If a tailgater is behind you, move to another lane or pull to the side of the road to let the tailgater pass.

i'd like to see what yours says, but i don't imagine you'll fish up something that makes you look like a fool for me.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Sometimes you slam on breaks for things completely out of your control like a dog running out into the road or more common down here deer

No shit, but this is different than intentionally brake checking someone who is closer than you want them to be. One is emergency braking. Another is intentionally creating more risk to prove a point. If someone tailgates you at the same moment you have to slam on brakes for a dog, shit, sorry bro bad luck. In general, a tailgater can be ignored and everyone goes on their Merry way. And there's a decent chance you end up at the same place as the tailgater who is speeding anyway. So

Gremlynn posted...

Or just use some common fucking sense and know that driving on the shoulder is illegal unless you're pulling over to stop for an emergency, and merging back onto the freeway from a dead stop is incredibly dangerous?

Or that literally the majority of vehicular accidents occur during merging / changing lanes, thus indicating that any action forcing you to do so without need is creating unnecessary additional risk?

Literally the safest course of action at all times is to simply keep up with the speed of traffic in your lane, and truck nuts Mcgee can be as mad as he wants.

I'm just going to keep posting this as responses.

https://magazine.northeast.aaa.com/daily/money/auto-insurance/dealing-with-a-tailgater/

Get Safely Out of the Way

If youre on a multi-lane road and its safe to move to another lane, put on your turn signal and get out of the way. This is the easiest way to deal with a tailgater and end the situation. The driver behind you is being unsafe and if you can solve the problem simply by switching lanes, then do so as soon as possible. If theres not another lane, consider turning into a parking lot.
It might be tempting to get angry at the tailgater and not let them pass. Dont let your emotions get the best of you. Tailgating is a dangerous and aggressive driving tactic.
Aggressive driving, defined by the National Highway Traffic Safety Association as a combination of moving traffic offenses that can endanger other people or property, is often the result of road rage and a major factor in fatal highway collisions each year.
A 2009 study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety based on the NHTSAs Fatal Accident Reporting System, found that aggressive driving played a role in 56% of fatal crashes from 2003 through 2007. And according to recent NHTSA data, following improperly is among the top aggressive driving behaviors associated with fatal crashes.
Its far easier to change lanes and let a tailgater pass than become one of those statistics.

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Nobody said change lanes. They said pull over. Pull over means OFF THE ROAD.

Regardless, I'm already in the right lane. Im where i should be.. If they want to go fast they can go around. I'm not getting off the road and putting myself in an even more dangerous situation because some dipshit behind me wants to get home and watch Tucker Carlson, nor am I going to try to fight my way into the passing lane so I can slow them down and then watch this idiot do the same shit to the next car infront of me.

Fluttershy posted...

Brake checking is clearly wrong, but oftentimes set off by the bad driving of someone else.

nope -- being part of an adult is accepting responsibility for your own actions, and 'they were making me mad!' just doesn't fly.

Instead of driving like a responsible adult with logic and empathy, people play games and dare others to fight them.

oh, like this?:

I won't brake check, but I won't be caught dead pulling over. They can go around me or learn some goddamn humanity and responsibility.

you're a fucking hypocrite, a bad driver, and you're too juvenile to drive.

I'm a bad driver because I don't trip all over myself getting out of the way of people bullying you into submission?

This is literally what I'm talking about with those bad drivers. Just because they are driving cars, they can do whatever they want? Basically pointing a gun at everyone until they get their way. "Don't brake check" is one thing. "Get out of the way if you don't want to be tailgated" is an entirely different one.

"Everyone is responsible for their own actions" is a weird argument when we're treating some bad drivers as an unavoidable force of nature. Hell, by that logic, no one should go outside because you can't get hurt if you make the choice to not exist in public. Victims are to blame for not staying home.

Waddlez posted...

How does tailgating more than minimally affect you?

It makes driving more dangerous for everyone around it.

Guess I need to tell my job I quit since my commute will now take me so long due to pulling over for aggressive drivers that I have to eliminate sleep to get to work on time.

I'm a bad driver because I don't trip all over myself getting out of the way of people bullying you into submission?

no, you're a bad driver because you let your insecurities get in the way of concentrating on driving safely. you just have to prove those big mean bullies wrong.

you have some growing up you really need to do. consider not driving until then.

It doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong, what matters to you is reading the situation around you and making the safest decision in the circumstances.

it's also not your job to enforce traffic laws. you don't get to do reckless and dumb things because you can mental gymnast your way to an answer that feels good enough.

hockeybub89 posted...

I'm a bad driver because I don't trip all over myself getting out of the way of people bullying you into submission?

This is literally what I'm talking about with those bad drivers. Just because they are driving cars, they can do whatever they want? Basically pointing a gun at everyone until they get their way. "Don't brake check" is one thing. "Get out of the way if you don't want to be tailgated" is an entirely different one.

"Everyone is responsible for their own actions" is a weird argument when we're treating some bad drivers as an unavoidable force of nature. Hell, by that logic, no one should go outside because you can't get hurt if you make the choice to not exist in public. Victims are to blame for not staying home.

You are responsible for your own actions. I'm no legal expert, but if I do something antagonistic to make you mad at the grocery store and you beat me to a pulp, I'm pretty sure you'll be held responsible for your actions more than I will be for mine. Your charge will likely be more severe, and we're both responsible for our parts.

all this talk of hockeybub should move out of the way proves this talk about brake checking wasn't actually pointed to the rare occurrence where it is actually dangerous like those videos we see where a car flies off the road cause of it,
but because users here are tailgaters who are upset that people won't let them drive unsafely and stupidly

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Sometimes you slam on breaks for things completely out of your control like a dog running out into the road or more common down here deer

but move out my way! you slow rarrr!

/s

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It makes driving more dangerous for everyone around it.

Yes...I did not disagree with that. I'm saying brake checking makes the situation worse. 2 wrongs don't make a right. And I'm also saying the actual brake checking is the actual cause of the accident, in a situation that's already more dangerous.

Fluttershy posted...

No wonder the entire world is irreparably screwed.

people not accepting responsibility for their decisions? yeah, it's bad.

Why is there tailgating if people take responsibility for their actions? Continue to accept a world where evil people literally force you into situations where you have to give them what they want if you value your life. "If you give them the chicken nuggets for free, then they will put the gun away! Don't be an idiot and upset people to where they pull the gun!"

It seems Republicans have learned their ways from tailgaters, brake checkers, and the like.

users here are tailgaters who are upset that people won't let them drive unsafely and stupidly

if being wrong bothers you so much that you need to convince yourself of this, be my guest, lol. little disappointed to see you so pouty. out of arguments, but still want a fight.

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actually not always

where I live speeders actually go in the rightmost lane because they are soon to get off the freeway

in addition when people are in the leftmost lane, there is no matter of being fast enough, even a guy going 40 over the limit gonna soon enough have a tailgater behind them BUT

this is key BUT

the leftmost lane is empty, people will literally avoid it and try to run down the middle at fast speeds

just crusing and ignoring them is infact the safest move here, they can get in the left lane if they want to go faster but they are literally idiots

Fluttershy posted...

users here are tailgaters who are upset that people won't let them drive unsafely and stupidly

if being wrong bothers you so much that you need to convince yourself of this, be my guest, lol. little disappointed to see you so pouty. out of arguments, but still want a fight.

Why do you tailgate?

makes you feel like a big man?

We're all gonna die horribly anyway. If I get killed following traffic laws because a sociopath wanted me to stop on the shoulder of a busy highway, so be it.

Waddlez posted...

Yes...I did not disagree with that. I'm saying brake checking makes the situation worse. 2 wrongs don't make a right. And I'm also saying the actual brake checking is the actual cause of the accident, in a situation that's already more dangerous.

watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewu2P8UhQO8

now if brake checking causes an accident, what if that same situation had debris in the road and the person HAD to brake

their braking still caused the accident or did the tailgating?

in ANY situation that brake checking can "cause an accident" so would then legitimate braking....

Why?

because fucking tailgating duh

Why is there tailgating if people take responsibility for their actions? Continue to accept a world where evil people literally force you into situations where you have to give them what they want if you value your life.

see, this is how i know you're more invested in proving a point than you are driving safely. it's a competition to you. you're playing stupid games with your car.

Instead of driving like a responsible adult with logic and empathy, people play games and dare others to fight them.

you literally said this. lol.

Why do you tailgate?

why do you continue posting if you don't have any arguments left?

like if you really need to accuse people of tailgating because they aren't agreeing with you, you're - wait for it - out of gas, lol.

OudeGeuze posted...

Both are bad, brake checking is worse

I don't even know who you are

only because its intentional. both are dumb and dangerous

Fluttershy posted...

why do you continue posting if you don't have any arguments left?

in any situation a brake check causes an accident what happens if instead of a brake check the car ahead had to legitimately brake?

in any situation a brake check causes an accident what happens if instead of a brake check the car ahead had to legitimately brake?

i don't know. you're the one who brake-checks all the time; you tell me.

(see how stupid and weak and petty that is?)
(so disappointed in you wings)

I was taught that you should stay right and go left if you want to pass, but apparently it's actually "move to whatever lane gets you out of the way of other cars and just pull off the road completely if there's no lane for you to move to". Everyone knows the safest way to drive is to mirror drive when you're going straight and not planning on changing lanes.

Fluttershy posted...

in any situation a brake check causes an accident what happens if instead of a brake check the car ahead had to legitimately brake?

i don't know. you're the one who brake-checks all the time; you tell me.

(see how stupid and weak and petty that is?)
(so disappointed in you wings)

so you can't answer because you KNOW the answer

in ANY situation a brake check can "cause" an accident

then a LEGITIMATE braking would TOO

why?
because a tailgater CREATED the dangerous situation

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I agree, and I move out of the way of people.

But people going ham on hockeybub is showing they are tailgaters who just want THEIR responsibility of UNSAFE driving removed

(in the middle though moving out the way to the left lane means you get stuck most often, gotta really see what is around you)

that doesn't even make sense because the obstruction in the road would be creating the dangerous situation, but it's obvious you're just a big brake-checker because of how desperate you are to defend it.

(see how stupid and weak and petty that is?)

Fluttershy posted...

that doesn't even make sense because the obstruction in the road would be creating the dangerous situation, but it's obvious you're just a big brake-checker because of how desperate you are to defend it.

(see how stupid and weak and petty that is?)

incorrect, if you didn't ride the tail there would be no accident

just as they could not brake check you if you weren't tailgating

you caused the unsafe scenario by tailgating

nah, the obstruction caused the unsafe scenario. think before you post, lol. it wouldn't matter if someone was tailgating or not. duh.

why are you so allergic to holding people responsible for the operator-level decision of brake-checking, when so many driving resources (dmv guides, insurance companies) tell you not to do it?

i don't imagine you have any answer to that question.

it is very easy thought

a guy hits his brake (brake check if you will) and you are more than 1 car length from him - there is no accident EZ

now, you complain about this:

guy hits his brake and you are on his fucking tail, you veer off and hit the wall cause you don't have much time

you: OMG HE CAUSED ACCIDENT!

ok let's try that again:

guy hits his brake and you are on his fucking tail, you veer off and hit the wall cause you don't have much time

oh wait...he wasn't brake checking because there was debris in the road

in all 3 scenarios there was debris

accident ONLY happens when you are tailgating.....

hmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Its what many people here are advocating.

Waddlez posted...

2 wrongs don't make a right

Agreed, but tailgating is terrible.

Fluttershy posted...

nah, the obstruction caused the unsafe scenario. think before you post, lol. it wouldn't matter if someone was tailgating or not. duh.

there can be no accident when you aren't tailgating, you have ample time to slow down if not on the tail

you need to take responsiblity for your unsafe driving and please turn in your license

your posts shows you are not mature enough to drive

now, you complain about this:

lol, you're making up arguments to fight against now. you were done pages ago. why did you come back?? i'm so disappointed in you and how you actually need to strawman here.

Its what many people here are advocating.

so did you write to AAA and progressive and the mass dmv yet??

your posts shows you are not mature enough to drive

your posts show me that everything i said fucking landed, and that all you can do is repeat it back to me, because you have nothing - absolutely nothing - of your own, and everything you did have was shot down.

why did you come back?

Fluttershy posted...

nah, the obstruction caused the unsafe scenario. think before you post, lol. it wouldn't matter if someone was tailgating or not. duh.

why are you so allergic to holding people responsible for the operator-level decision of brake-checking, when so many driving resources (dmv guides, insurance companies) tell you not to do it?

i don't imagine you have any answer to that question.

You're sitting here saying tailgaters are essentially never at fault and gonna decry others for not taking responsibility? I was rear ended a couple months ago and you know what? It was completely their fault! Not mine for braking too quickly, not someone or someone in front of me causing me to have to stop. "It's the obstruction's fault!" Come on, bro.