Current Events > So Biden once more sides with Republicans on Crime.

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Do you think Biden is doing this because he's conservative, as has been the sentiment in many of the posts you've replied to, or do you think he's just trying to (ineffectively) reach across the aisle?

Fuck is reaching across the isle. Say he was doing just that. How does this help dems in any way. Republicans new message is . Even Biden had to the side with Republicans with radical Liberals in DC. Those black people in DC. Republicans have already used this as ammo. Where is the win for Dems in this .

This whole "this is no surprise as Biden is a conservative" line is just false. It's propaganda.

Fuck is reaching across the isle. Say he was doing just that. How does this help dems in any way. Republicans new message is . Even Biden had to the side with Republicans with radical Liberals in DC. Those black people in DC. Republicans have already used this as ammo. Where is the win for Dems in this .

You repeating it over and over as a mantra doesn't make it have weight.

The bill isn't a left leaning bill lol. Literally is incoherent, but you go off.

I don't have any comments about the bill as I haven't read it. And I am not making an argument about Biden being socialist. Why do you keep implying that?

Saying someone has fought for stronger social programs and equal access to education isn't calling them a socialist lmao.

But left-leaning is. Liberalism is centrist, and conservatism is right.

I don't think you actually understand what any of these words mean.

Do you think Biden is doing this because he's conservative, as has been the sentiment in many of the posts you've replied to, or do you think he's just trying to (ineffectively) reach across the aisle?

I think on the issue of crime, specifically, Biden has a history of being on the Democratic Party's conservative flank. The crime bill, and all that. This is different from the Republican Party's conservative flank, and that's a distinction worth making. But Bidens long prioritized the concerns of white suburbanites on these issues, and that's not going to lead to good results.

"Reaching across the aisle" is a framing that to me, sounds like trying to make Biden's wrong views an issue of excess generosity. I don't think that's his problem, he just has bad views.

And I don't care what you think. You haven't shown to really understand basic poli-sci, so I see no reason to put weight on anything you write.

guess we shoulda voted for Trump then huh fuck outta here dude

But this bill isn't really pushing any left or right-wing ideals. So how is the "opposition" to this bill further evidence of his conservatism in this area?

An inspection of the law, as shown in that Slate article, would show that this is bullshit. But it's the sort of bullshit that Fox will say to white suburbanites, Biden's people. Either he and his team are genuinely unaware of the law change he's opining about in that tweet, or he's choosing to frame things in that way for some other reason.

And I'm explicitly this is far more likely than the president and his entire team having an understanding of the bill that would come from an afternoon of Fox News watching.

I also think that Biden knows what he's doing is based on bullshit.

And I'm explicitly this is far more likely than the president and his entire team having an understanding of the bill that would come from an afternoon of Fox News watching.

Sure, an entire cabinet of a democratically led presidency gets their understanding of bills from watching Fox News. You really want to run with that one?

I don't think you actually understand what any of these words mean.

With all due respect, I don't think you do.

I mean, liberalism can and typically does lean a little left (at least as far as voters are concerned), but being pro-capitalism still puts you somewhere in the center.

Left-leaning is progressivism and you can't make much progress adhering to a status quo.

Sure, an entire cabinet of a democratically led presidency gets their understanding of bills from watching Fox News. You really want to run with that one?

No modern democrat fits the bill of a classical liberal.

The traditional definition of liberal is much closer to what people call libertarians.

Economic liberalism is associated with markets and private ownership of capital assets. Economic liberals tend to oppose government intervention and protectionism in the market economy when it inhibits free trade and competition, but tend to support government intervention where it protects property rights, opens new markets or funds market growth, and resolves market failures.[2]

This article is about the variety of liberalism that supports a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights. For the branch of liberalism that advocates civil liberties with an emphasis on economic freedom, see Classical liberalism. For the ideology that stresses the freedom of individuals from traditional cultural norms, see Cultural liberalism. For the political philosophy that incorporates liberal principles in socialism, see Liberal socialism. For advocacy of social reform, see Progressivism.

Yeah, but if we get into that then we have view this as the most accurate political compass:

"fully automated luxury gay space communism"?

That's not what I'm running with. My claim is that Biden and his team have done the due diligence to know its deeply misleading to claim the bill will reduce penalties for carjacking. They're saying so anyways because they want to give the appearance of being tough on crime to Fox News viewers, who do have only that understanding of the bill.

Do you think Biden is doing this because he's conservative, as has been the sentiment in many of the posts you've replied to, or do you think he's just trying to (ineffectively) reach across the aisle?

What was in the law?

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/03/disgusting-biden-embraces-effort-to-dc-criminal-justice-reforms_partner/

No way to ask this without sounding hostile, but can you tldr? I'm stuck on mobile and this site is driving me nuts

Just bullet points on like, what is in the law. The carjacking thing is a good example. Is there other stuff like that in there?

This isn't enough, not even close of a reason for to go around telling people Biden is bad.

I really don't see a reason for me to care about this.

This isn't enough, not even close of a reason for to go around telling people Biden is bad.

Using a Republican talking put to undermine black people. Is pretty bad, if he just vetoed with the BS that would be one thing. But he didn't. HE went out of his way to use a Republican talking point. Now Republicans have themselves a win. Tell me what do Democrats get out of this?

I live in Southern Maryland, however I have family and friends in DC, I'm also black. My family in particular when I go to visit live in unsafe neighborhoods. Friends, I prefer they come visit me after an incident 3 years ago.

I'd prefer DC getting statehood and making its own laws. That being said given they arent a state, and what my grandparents live with, I dont support the current laws in DC.

Especially since crime in Southern Maryland spills from DC, and neighborhoods near it traveling down to Southern Maryland.

So no, Biden not vetoing this really is not a reason for me dislike Biden or worse convince family and friends to stay home in 2024.... pretending Biden is just as bad as Republicans just because he sided with them over one or two issues.

No he is bad for using GOP talking point. BTW carjacking the big thing people can't get over would carry more time in the knew crime bill at DC tried to get then it does in Maryland now. The Republicans are cheering and using this to attack DC asa whole. So what to dems get out of this. And its funny how hard in crime he is with black people but not his criminal son.

So circling back to your first sentence, see my last post. You brought up Maryland as if my mind would be swayed if the sentence was upped in Maryland. I wouldn't.

TC: you don't understand what this bill is about.