Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 2: These Are The Voyages

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1.252 Chris votes Sheep for not being able to follow his reads and not liking that Sheep assumed him as town.
1.262 Sheep immediately engages with Chris and asks what reads Chris wants clarified, and comments about the "trust you to figure me out" comment.
1.267 Chris asks more pointed question about game state from Sheep.
1.276 Sheep answers while also talking with Sultan.
1.280 Chris leaves off with "I guess we shall see how the day develops."

1.297 Han votes Sheep "I agree or don't care about a lot of what's been said, but I want to add that Death is anything but an open book and that's what stuck out to me this morning. I don't believe that read." Then spends rest of the post talking about Ulti.
1.305 Sheep responds to Han about Death, and a whole conversation from multiple people about reading Death is talked about.
Han doesn't provide any other pressure on Sheep here.

1.337 Chris asks Lea to join on Sheep train.
1.341 Lea joins sheep train.
1.350 Lea (my interpretation) says Sheep is a good direction as any with the calibur of players we have an no obvious lynch priorities like Red in the game.
1.362 Lea brings an actual point about Sheep's soft claim and wanting to resolve it.
1.380 Sheep comes back in and claims before saying he will be gone for next couple of hours.

Crescent, please tell me what Sheep failed to engage with before making his claim.

I'll kindly ask more people to weigh in on my comment that Sheep's claim does not align with what he initially said.

Ooh, this is eminently digestible, because I was also thinking about claiming on the first page. I'd even broach asking about a same time claim if I wasn't about to head off to bed.

I'm just gonna claim straight up, because I don't think I can get away with not doing so today and it would probably distract everyone for the next 24+ hours if I carry on without doing so? But I'm vanilla and was trying to be cute at the start of the day. I'm sorry for making a lot of today so far about me - I played everything up a lot last night to get people talking and it kinda backfired (I was not expecting myself to take up all that much space). I'm happy to have gotten a lot of content out of it, but I think too much of today has been focused on me for it to actually be productive, especially if I get lynched: I think there's a decent enough consensus for it already that I'm not sure you'd get many reads analysing the votes.

Gonna be away for a couple hours, and then will be back to answer any questions.

Can you pull it up for me? Phone posting atm

Sultan already found the post it seems.

Yeah Sultan, I get that he adressed it saying he tried to be cute but I still struggle to see the point.

1. I don't recall how Crescent plays all too well. Like me, I recall her having a meltdown, and I feel that entirely. I never played with her back in the day and only watched a couple games; I'd think the time off has allowed for her to refine her playstyle. So her thinking I'm scum for making a shitpost might not mean anything, but it feels like scum quickly trying to pick a mislynch target as much as it does town scumhunting.
2. Han, the fake dayscan didn't come across as a joke to me, but we're good. It's a game!
3. Sheep, IIRC my only experience with you was the game we were scum together. You are kind of acting like you did there, with the only difference being that I'm town this time. Are you trying to drag me down with you, knowing that I'm town? I know that if you flip scum, it makes me look suspicious, but I will deny it to the end
4. wallmasterz is blatant scum clearly trying to frame me instead. I wasn't bragging, just bringing up what happened! And thinking I'm scum for a shitpost on page 1 is fucking TIRING. Let's see if we can get a claim out of this scum. ##vote: wallmasterz
5. Like everyone was saying, Sheep claimed Vanilla but didn't claim flavor. It's pinging my scumdar. Any paraphrased flavor justification is irrelevant. "Oh, I'm Vanilla" feels like scum trying to escape the gallows since a townie would know their flavor and give it.
6. Han, I Have no idea why you're going down this rabbit hole.
7. Ctes, have you read the topic? I *have* been around.

If Dumey and Sheep are neighbors or Mason's this is going to be really stupid and just say so.

The fact they are so connected this is where my head is kinda at..

Catch up time! Sorry, had a couple things to take care of.

1. I don't recall how Crescent plays all too well. Like me, I recall her having a meltdown, and I feel that entirely. I never played with her back in the day and only watched a couple games; I'd think the time off has allowed for her to refine her playstyle. So her thinking I'm scum for making a shitpost might not mean anything, but it feels like scum quickly trying to pick a mislynch target as much as it does town scumhunting.
2. Han, the fake dayscan didn't come across as a joke to me, but we're good. It's a game!
3. Sheep, IIRC my only experience with you was the game we were scum together. You are kind of acting like you did there, with the only difference being that I'm town this time. Are you trying to drag me down with you, knowing that I'm town? I know that if you flip scum, it makes me look suspicious, but I will deny it to the end
4. wallmasterz is blatant scum clearly trying to frame me instead. I wasn't bragging, just bringing up what happened! And thinking I'm scum for a shitpost on page 1 is fucking TIRING. Let's see if we can get a claim out of this scum. ##vote: wallmasterz
5. Like everyone was saying, Sheep claimed Vanilla but didn't claim flavor. It's pinging my scumdar. Any paraphrased flavor justification is irrelevant. "Oh, I'm Vanilla" feels like scum trying to escape the gallows since a townie would know their flavor and give it.
6. Han, I Have no idea why you're going down this rabbit hole.
7. Ctes, have you read the topic? I *have* been around.

Sheep, wallmasterz, and two more. Still thinking Crescent could be one. Possibly Ulti. Don't know for sure though.

I've been saying I gut read you as town for most of the game now. Are you actually reading my posts, or just making things up as you go along?

Sheep did you not consider the ramifications of claiming nilla?

Flavorwise I doubt it, unless Sheep /Dumey just picked a random character out of a hat for a joke nilla claim

It's a stretch but from a quick good search she is married and has a kid

The husband is the main character of deep space 9 or whatever

wallmasterz is blatant scum clearly trying to frame me instead. I wasn't bragging, just bringing up what happened! And thinking I'm scum for a s***post on page 1 is f***ing TIRING. Let's see if we can get a claim out of this scum. ##vote: wallmasterz

Ctes, have you read the topic? I *have* been around.

Not sure I understand this one BCT.

What?? And I mean that sincerely what? Exsplain more to what you're saying here.

Did you read the full post? That was very specifically with regards to responding to Sheep's claim and you hadn't been around since then.

Okay, so if Sheep is scum, wallmasterz must be scum. Feels like scum is trying to set me up to take a mislynch and I don't like it.

I really don't like how wallmasterz refuses to take into account my personality and playstyle, plus trying to make my information look like boasting.

Also if Sheep flips scum and you all go after me, so be it. You'll find that I'm very much town.

Okay, so if Sheep is scum, wallmasterz must be scum. Feels like scum is trying to set me up to take a mislynch and I don't like it.

I really don't like how wallmasterz refuses to take into account my personality and playstyle, plus trying to make my information look like boasting.

Also if Sheep flips scum and you all go after me, so be it. You'll find that I'm very much town.

1) I feel ignored, very rude.

2) The game has barely started so I don't see how too much of the game has been spent discussing you to be productive.

3) Surely you have some thoughts about this ominous train that threatens to engulf you? It seems like a cop out to be all "four people constitute a consensus so there's no point in analyzing these votes"

The emotion dripping from this post is fearful avoidance, which is weird because despite my best jingoism it's like, still ultimately a very tepid pressure right now. Kind of a hair trigger claim, tbh.

Apologies for ignoring you, I was tryna get to everything and then saw there was a lot of it and kinda gave up on doing it all in time and just dumped what I had out there.

I don't think too much of the game so far has necessarily been spent on me, but I do think that my Doing a Benjamin drew a lot of attention towards me, and I was not as prepared as I believed I was to fend it off nor squeeze content out of it (especially as nobody else seemed to get very much out of it beyond suspicion of me). Also, I frankly didn't wanna do the stupid "please claim" game for most of the rest of today - I think it's a waste of time and frustrates me no end being on either side of it.

I think the votes were decently justified, honestly? I'm definitely playing a bit off from what I was last time I had a town D1, there's plenty of dumb things I've said, and there's none I take massive issue with. I think everyone had a pretty decent progression, and I'd have been more surprised if basically everyone who did vote me hadn't voted me once? You're probably the biggest exception, but I think the sheeping is basically a null-tell at this stage. Chris especially I'd expected to jump on, and I honestly don't take issue with anyone else's reasons beyond them being wrong. I feel Dumey's unvote might actually have been a bit hasty, because I'm not sure my claim is enough juice to put anyone off immediately without a different direction to go in, but then I also know nothing about Dumey's style.

3. Sheep, IIRC my only experience with you was the game we were scum together. You are kind of acting like you did there, with the only difference being that I'm town this time. Are you trying to drag me down with you, knowing that I'm town? I know that if you flip scum, it makes me look suspicious, but I will deny it to the end
4. wallmasterz is blatant scum clearly trying to frame me instead. I wasn't bragging, just bringing up what happened! And thinking I'm scum for a shitpost on page 1 is fucking TIRING. Let's see if we can get a claim out of this scum. ##vote: wallmasterz
5. Like everyone was saying, Sheep claimed Vanilla but didn't claim flavor. It's pinging my scumdar. Any paraphrased flavor justification is irrelevant. "Oh, I'm Vanilla" feels like scum trying to escape the gallows since a townie would know their flavor and give it.

Sheep, wallmasterz, and two more. Still thinking Crescent could be one. Possibly Ulti. Don't know for sure though.

Sheep what do you make of Mzero?

Okay, so if Sheep is scum, wallmasterz must be scum. Feels like scum is trying to set me up to take a mislynch and I don't like it.

I really don't like how wallmasterz refuses to take into account my personality and playstyle, plus trying to make my information look like boasting.

Also if Sheep flips scum and you all go after me, so be it. You'll find that I'm very much town.

Also, fwiw Wall, I think BCT's recent post you responded to in #90 makes me feel a lil better about him again? I think him thinking he's being framed is very perspective-indicative, and I don't think he makes that framing connection if he's scum and knows I'm not.

I'm generally not too concerned with getting votes unless they're later in the game, very late in the day, or from players who don't tend to put them down and might not be around to take them off (I'd probably be quite concerned if I got votes from Ctes, Death or MZero). I mostly just claimed because there was a good half of the game on my back, and I'd rather not drag out what was a butchered play.

On this topic, I'm fairly convinced Crescent is Town, but I am kinda interested to know why she didn't vote me despite being pretty clear that she thinks I'm Scum? I might have missed it, but I don't think she's ever been super reserved with her voting.

Also, fwiw Wall, I think BCT's recent post you responded to in #90 makes me feel a lil better about him again? I think him thinking he's being framed is very perspective-indicative, and I don't think he makes that framing connection if he's scum and knows I'm not.