Current Events > Baby mauled by family's FIVE pit bulls, father charged

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Im honestly questioning if you ever owned a dog now since you dont understand that trimming their nails is a hassle for many owners and even professional groomers.

Youre mistaken if you think that works for all dogs.

Every dog is different and has their own fears. My beagle hates having her nails touched. Its in her personality. Its not a sign that Im a bad owner.

Why the hell do you need FIVE pitbulls?!

Probably because I never said that at all, but don't let that stop your hyperbolic sniveling.

Lemme help you out: dog ice cream. Let them lick that while trimming and they give ZERO fucks about clipping their nails. Not a hard concept at all, shocking you think that this is normal dog behavior and just deal with being knocked out by your dogs because they don't trust you.

Pitbulls are bad dogs.

Yeah let's make it legal to own big cats and bears as pets while we're at it. Just like we should legalize miniguns and rocket launchers as long as there are licenses and training.

Who cares about their objectively higher killing power? Or how pit bulls have caused exponentially more fatalities than literally any other breed.

Please stop throwing around some words like pit bulls are people or something. Domestic dogs only exist because of humans and cannot survive without us. It is 100% our responsibility and we need to stop breeding ones that are too dangerous, or too sickly, or too whatever. I'm not saying to go into the wild and start slaughtering carnivorous animals.

There are stories about people getting hurt by every animal or persom and every type. What are you gonna do? Execute every white person because one white person killed one black person?

Correlation does not prove causation. Ever.

Exactly this. Why this post got ignored despite being sensible and reasonable is anyone's guess, really...

Anyway, to people defending them: Pitbulls physically are more dangerous and destructive than other dogs. You can bash these things on the head or pepper spray them while they are biting, and they genuinely will not let go. There was a video of one that kept attacking a horse even when the horse directly kicked it in the head. It did not stop. It had no sense of self-preservation. No other dogs are like that. It's not because of a locked jaw, that's a myth. They have no locked jaw. It's just because they are genetically engineered to not stop attacking once they start. Even grown adults struggle to defend against the average pit or get them off. That's what sets them apart from a one-off incident of Rottweilers attacking a baby, or a pitbull with dwarfism (Granola, we get it, ok? Yours is weak and medically incapable of such things. That isn't relevant for the breed as a whole, and there's no need to keep bringing yours up).

If owning large cats is too dangerous, then owning pit bulls should be treated equivalently. They are equally as destructive. Also, letting their numbers decrease can be achieved without slaughtering existing ones. You do not have to commit "dog genocide" or rob people of their pitbulls. Just require them to be fixed going forward. It's an easy solution and compromise for both sides. There's plenty of other breeds available each with their own positive qualities, you don't have to keep getting exclusively pitbulls. The world won't end if you have to get a different breed afterwards.

Correlation is always important to examine. It's also important to narrow down correlations and figure out which factors to take out out to further explore ones that might matter. For example, we know that graduating high school is a significant factor in pursuing college. It doesn't prove that graduating hs means you go to college, it's just likely.

Also bringing it to executing white and black people doesn't have much to do with this thread, it seems like you're forcing a point out of shock value. Pitbulls are statistically dangerous, so it's important to look at correlating factors as to why. It's always important to examine. Lastly, pitbull breeds being an extreme outlier in dog attacks and being the sole outlier means that there should be something done about pitbulls even if we don't know why.

pitbulls are not statistically dangerous at all. dog attacks are incredibly rare to begin with, and idiots tend to describe various different breeds as 'pitbull'.

So idiots complied dog attack statistics for some vendetta against pit bulls?

And people being ripped to shreds by something humans created shouldn't be corrected if the deaths are statistically irrelevant? Pit bulls were bred to attack and fight and be swole tanks.

Perhaps good owners should stop using them as pets instead of trying to reprogram them? It's like buying a herding dog and not letting it leave a 1212 room.

pitbulls are not statistically dangerous at all. dog attacks are incredibly rare to begin with, and idiots tend to describe various different breeds as 'pitbull'.

If we were to completely breed Pitbulls out of existence. What do you think would happen then? Would all dog attacks magically stop? Do you know what breed is responsible for the second or third highest amount of overall violent incidents? Im asking is where is this dangerous breed elimination movement going to stop?

Statistics can be used and distorted for an agenda. Not saying youre doing this, but others in all these Pitbull topics have.

If we were to completely breed Pitbulls out of existence. What do you think would happen then? Would all dog attacks magically stop? Do you know what breed is responsible for the second or third highest amount of overall violent incidents? Im asking is where is this dangerous breed elimination movement going to stop?

Master Kazuya, how many wolf hybrids do you think there are out there? Certainly not in the literal millions in the case of Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls literally outnumber Rottweilers, German Shepards, etc by a wide margin.

Statistics can be used and distorted for an agenda. Not saying youre doing this, but others in all these Pitbull topics have.

If we were to completely breed Pitbulls out of existence. What do you think would happen then? Would all dog attacks magically stop? Do you know what breed is responsible for the second or third highest amount of overall violent incidents? Im asking is where is this dangerous breed elimination movement going to stop?

They were bred for dog v dog combat.

Like I said, so why would we trust the average person with a dog that was literally designed for combat? That's a lot of risk when there's thousands of other breeds you can own for companionship instead.

It's kind of like arguing you need to be able to own a minigun when plenty of legal guns exist. No one needs to own a pit bull.

Please, please, please do not do the gun nut argument of "You won't completely eliminate shootings and murder with gun control!"

Also, by this logic, there shouldn't be any restraint on the creation of future dog breed. I guess breeders should just play experiment however they want and then people can go "The genie's out of the bottle. The breed exists so we can't stop it now!"

We already cross breed and selectively breed now to favor certain traits. Why is it suddenly horrific when someone suggests breeding aggression and giant, powerful bite out? Manufacturers have a duty to fix defective, dangerous products, even if the statistical majority are not defective. Even if operator error exacerbates the flaw

The movement stops where it stops. "Where will it end?" sounds more like an argument against ever doing anything ever again, not just addressing pit bull attacks.

If you're not acknowledging the same stats as I am, there's no discussion between us.

This is a little disingenuous and I don't think you're meaning to be. The basic answer is that we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. There's no commitment that breeding pitbulls out means that we have to do anything else.

It's also wrong to take safety precautions to an extreme to try and force a shock value dystopian agenda. Like, "hey we should age restrict movies, oh does that mean we should age restrict everything? Should we age restrict McDonalds because it's unhealthy? And have Big Brother tell us what to do??". I don't know how else to paint the ickyness of how doing that kinda thing feels right now, but there's no discussion to be had if everything is taken to a dystopian extreme.

Also, even if there is a dystopian extreme, that's not a good enough of a reason to ignore issues in the current moment. Just because you have a fear of where it can go doesn't mean that it's true and that it will play out exactly how you think. I think solving issues now also helps us solve issues later too, instead of not looking at them entirely because of not having faith in solving issues later.

To address your current questions, in order: It would stop pitbulls from being as common, dog attacks would not all magically stop, according to a website (https://www.warriorsforjustice.com/dog-biting-statistics-by-breed/) looks like Rottweilers and German Shepherds are the 2nd and 3rd, I think it'll stop at Pitbulls.

One thing I want to make note of is not the attacks, but the deaths. On that same website, Pitbulls had 295 deaths. The 2nd highest are Wolf-Dog hybrids with 19. Not only do pitbulls have 15x the deaths of the next highest breed, but the next highest breed are literally part wolf. Even looking at attacks alone, Pitbulls to Rottweilers were 6.3x and Rottweilers to German Shepherds were 4.3x. So even comparing 2 to 3 in your scenario of "what happens next", not only is the jump from Rottweiler to German Shepherd not as high as Pitbull to Rottweiler, but Rottweilers actually have less deaths than German Shepherds despite more attacks. Let me know if you need me to explain these figures again.

If we were to completely breed Pitbulls out of existence. What do you think would happen then? Would all dog attacks magically stop?

They would be a lot less common.

thats not true

thats not true

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/issue-analysis-breed-specific-legislation/

Around the world, governments are recognizing the inherent problems with BSL and revising their dangerous dog policies. Italy, for example, repealed its breed-specific policies after six years of costly enforcement and ineffectiveness. In June 2009, the Dutch government announced its intent to remove its pitbull ban after determining that it did not decrease dog bites or improve safety in the Netherlands.

Also:

A study published by the Journal of Animal and Veterinary Advances found that owner behavior has a direct impact on dog aggression and personality. The study of approximately 50 purebred breeds concluded that the time an owner spent caring for and training a dog is inversely correlated to the level of aggressive behavior the dog exhibits. (Factors Links to Dominance Aggression in Dogs. Journal of Animal and Veterinary Advances. 8(2): 336-342, 2009.)

boom, annihilated

Yes it is.

damn, I didn't know you were more informed than the AKC and all the vets and scientists who studied it.

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