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Questionmarktarius 03/14/23 12:45:19 PM #51:	JE19426 posted... So now what? go to the embassy <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:972166789] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite><quote>So now what?</quote>go to the embassy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 03/14/23 12:59:51 PM #52:	This kind of overreactions is why people dont like STM. Look at him go ITT <cite>the_pika posted [p:972167085] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>This kind of overreactions is why peopledont like STM. Look at him go ITT </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 03/14/23 1:17:15 PM #53:	It looks like there's already an asylum process, though it seems a bit cobbled together. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50813246 What happens when migrants arrive? The majority of boats are intercepted in the Channel by Border Force and taken to the Port of Dover, where Home Office staff begin screening migrants in a shipping container. From there, it is likely they will be held at the Kent Intake Unit, near the car ferry terminal, where they can make an asylum claim and have an initial interview before being released. Adults will be sent to hostel-style accommodation across the country, paid for by the government and provided by private contractors. Unaccompanied children are usually taken into the care of Kent County Council. Boys aged under 16 and all girls are sent to foster care or a dedicated care home. Boys aged 16 or 17 are sent to the Milbank reception centre in Ashford for about two months, before going to "semi-supported" shared accommodation. Asylum seekers are given 37.75 per week for essentials like food, clothes and toiletries while they wait for a decision. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:972167452] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>It looks like there's already an asylum process, though it seems a bit cobbled together.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50813246<quote>What happens when migrants arrive?The majority of boats are intercepted in the Channel by Border Force and taken to the Port of Dover, where Home Office staff begin screening migrants in a shipping container.From there, it is likely they will be held at the Kent Intake Unit, near the car ferry terminal, where they can make an asylum claim and have an initial interview before being released.Adults will be sent to hostel-style accommodation across the country, paid for by the government and provided by private contractors.Unaccompanied children are usually taken into the care of Kent County Council. Boys aged under 16 and all girls are sent to foster care or a dedicated care home. Boys aged 16 or 17 are sent to the Milbank reception centre in Ashford for about two months, before going to "semi-supported" shared accommodation.Asylum seekers are given 37.75 per week for essentials like food, clothes and toiletries while they wait for a decision.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/14/23 1:31:17 PM #54:	ScazarMeltex posted... Gonna be hilarious when Scottish vote to leave them and their system collapses. London has to give the okay for a second referendum and you'll have an easier chance convincing Madrid to allow for a binding status referendum on Catalonia or China on Taiwan than in London allowing that again. And even if it does happen, the side effect of Scotland leaving would be gutting a major opposition base, making the Tory position in a United Kingdom of England (including Wales) and Northern Ireland even stronger than before. It'd be like if Trump had continued to be so awful that California and New England were allowed to leave. USA got a lot weaker, but the GOP would be a lot stronger in the remnant. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:972167750] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>Gonna be hilarious when Scottish vote to leave them and their system collapses.</quote>London has to give the okay for a second referendum and you'll have an easier chance convincing Madrid to allow for a binding status referendum on Catalonia or China on Taiwan than in London allowing that again.And even if it does happen, the side effect of Scotland leaving would be gutting a major opposition base, making the Tory position in a United Kingdom of England (including Wales) and Northern Ireland even stronger than before. It'd be like if Trump had continued to be so awful that California and New England were allowed to leave. USA got a lot weaker, but the GOP would be a lot stronger in the remnant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 03/14/23 1:40:54 PM #55:	K181 posted... London has to give the okay for a second referendum and you'll have an easier chance convincing Madrid to allow for a binding status referendum on Catalonia or China on Taiwan than in London allowing that again. And even if it does happen, the side effect of Scotland leaving would be gutting a major opposition base, making the Tory position in a United Kingdom of England (including Wales) and Northern Ireland even stronger than before. It'd be like if Trump had continued to be so awful that California and New England were allowed to leave. USA got a lot weaker, but the GOP would be a lot stronger in the remnant. That's on the British to fix, it's not the Scots responsibility to stay in the UK to provide opposition to the Tories since they've historically been on the shit end of tory policy. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:972167935] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>K181 posted... </cite><quote>London has to give the okay for a second referendum and you'll have an easier chance convincing Madrid to allow for a binding status referendum on Catalonia or China on Taiwan than in London allowing that again.And even if it does happen, the side effect of Scotland leaving would be gutting a major opposition base, making the Tory position in a United Kingdom of England (including Wales) and Northern Ireland even stronger than before. It'd be like if Trump had continued to be so awful that California and New England were allowed to leave. USA got a lot weaker, but the GOP would be a lot stronger in the remnant.</quote>That's on the British to fix, it's not the Scots responsibility to stay in the UK to provide opposition to the Tories since they've historically been on the shit end of tory policy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/14/23 1:45:04 PM #56:	ScazarMeltex posted... That's on the British to fix, it's not the Scots responsibility to stay in the UK to provide opposition to the Tories since they've historically been on the shit end of tory policy. I'm not saying it is, but the British legal system is built around essentially all of Scotland's powers being devolved unto them by parliament. London has to allow another referendum, and if they really don't like it then they could just nix the Scottish assembly at anytime. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:972168013] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>That's on the British to fix, it's not the Scots responsibility to stay in the UK to provide opposition to the Tories since they've historically been on the shit end of tory policy.</quote>I'm not saying it is, but the British legal system is built around essentially all of Scotland's powers being devolved unto them by parliament. London has to allow another referendum, and if they really don't like it then they could just nix the Scottish assembly at anytime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/14/23 1:57:04 PM #57:	Holy_Cloud105 posted... Apparently the amount of people going to the UK is far less than what's going to the other countries. The UK government is blaming all their Brexit problems on immigrants though. Yup. We are on the lower end for Europe and it has only risen due to the Tories. Questionmarktarius posted... What makes UK so fucking special over Ireland or France, anyway? Likely them maybe knowing some English is likely it. JE19426 posted... Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the consulate, so we can't help you". So now what? Exactly. Our government has said you have to be in the country to claim asylum yet refuses to provide a way for them to do so. And is now doing their best to stop the way they have been forced into and is telling them they wont be protected from anti slavery laws. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972168214] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Holy_Cloud105 posted... </cite><quote>Apparently the amount of people going to the UK is far less than what's going to the other countries. The UK government is blaming all their Brexit problems on immigrants though.</quote>Yup. We are on the lower end for Europe and it has only risen due to the Tories.Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>What makes UK so fucking special over Ireland or France, anyway?</quote>Likely them maybe knowing some English is likely it.JE19426 posted... </cite><quote>Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the consulate, so we can't help you". So now what?</quote>Exactly. Our government has said you have to be in the country to claim asylum yet refuses to provide a way for them to do so. And is now doing their best to stop the way they have been forced into and is telling them they wont be protected from anti slavery laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 03/14/23 1:58:28 PM #58:	K181 posted... I'm not saying it is, but the British legal system is built around essentially all of Scotland's powers being devolved unto them by parliament. London has to allow another referendum, and if they really don't like it then they could just nix the Scottish assembly at anytime. Oh absolutely. But let's not pretend that the Scots don't have a number of options if they chose to go scorched earth. General strikes, holding their own referendum regardless of it's legality under the UK's government, marches, all kinds of shit to make the Brits life miserable are available. You generally don't get freedom from a shitty government by asking for their permission anyway. There is absolutely no stomach in the British populace for a Troubles era occupation of the entirety of Scotland. I don't believe that they would, if they didn't do it under Thatcher I don't think they would do it now but anything is possible. Especially if the Tory government keeps destroying the UK. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:972168246] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>K181 posted... </cite><quote>I'm not saying it is, but the British legal system is built around essentially all of Scotland's powers being devolved unto them by parliament. London has to allow another referendum, and if they really don't like it then they could just nix the Scottish assembly at anytime.</quote>Oh absolutely. But let's not pretend that the Scots don't have a number of options if they chose to go scorched earth. General strikes, holding their own referendum regardless of it's legality under the UK's government, marches, all kinds of shit to make the Brits life miserable are available. You generally don't get freedom from a shitty government by asking for their permission anyway. There is absolutely no stomach in the British populace for a Troubles era occupation of the entirety of Scotland.I don't believe that they would, if they didn't do it under Thatcher I don't think they would do it now but anything is possible. Especially if the Tory government keeps destroying the UK. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 03/14/23 2:06:46 PM #59:	Funkydog posted... Yup. We are on the lower end for Europe and it has only risen due to the Tories. historically, what happened? you guys were the worlds superpower. Then WW2 happened, but you still won (along with the allies). whats with this huge decline? <cite>the_pika posted [p:972168412] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite><quote>Yup. We are on the lower end for Europe and it has only risen due to the Tories.</quote>historically, what happened?you guys were the worlds superpower. Then WW2 happened, but you still won (along with the allies).whats with this huge decline?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/14/23 2:07:38 PM #60:	Good luck with protests like that with with the fascist anti protest laws the government has passed. I can fully imagine them trying to crack down hard with them. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972168434] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Good luck with protests like that with with the fascist anti protest laws the government has passed.I can fully imagine them trying to crack down hard with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/14/23 2:08:38 PM #61:	the_pika posted... historically, what happened? you guys were the worlds superpower. Then WW2 happened, but you still won (along with the allies). whats with this huge decline? Tories doing their best to make the life of immigrants as miserable as possible and providing them as few ways to come as possible. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972168459] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>historically, what happened?you guys were the worlds superpower. Then WW2 happened, but you still won (along with the allies).whats with this huge decline?</quote>Tories doing their best to make the life of immigrants as miserable as possible and providing them as few ways to come as possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 03/14/23 2:08:53 PM #62:	The real Brexit are the friends we made along the way. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:972168465] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>The real Brexit are the friends we made along the way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 03/14/23 3:43:33 PM #63:	Questionmarktarius posted... go to the embassy Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the embassy, so we can't help you". So now what? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:972170503] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>go to the embassy</quote>Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the embassy, so we can't help you". So now what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 03/14/23 4:39:20 PM #64:	JE19426 posted... Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the embassy, so we can't help you". So now what? go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go. The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:972171695] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite><quote>Cool, and then they say, "sorry you can't claim asylum at the embassy, so we can't help you". So now what?</quote>go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go.The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 03/14/23 4:49:53 PM #65:	Questionmarktarius posted... go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go. The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum is this before or after Suella and Rishi install mines and barb wire right in front of Dover with their own hands ? <cite>the_pika posted [p:972171935] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go.The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum</quote>is this before or after Suella and Rishi install mines and barb wire right in front of Dover with their own hands ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 03/14/23 4:55:32 PM #66:	the_pika posted... is this before or after Suella and Rishi install mines and barb wire right in front of Dover with their own hands ? before, presumably. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:972172084] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>is this before or after Suella and Rishi install mines and barb wire right in front of Dover with their own hands ?</quote>before, presumably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/14/23 5:14:31 PM #67:	Questionmarktarius posted... go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go. The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum Cool. And what ways does the UK provide people to make the crossing? --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972172568] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>go to the Port of Dover, where asylum seekers are supposed to go.The UK is nice enough to outline eligibility and the process: https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum</quote>Cool. And what ways does the UK provide people to make the crossing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 03/14/23 7:54:47 PM #68:	Funkydog posted... Sadly, many dont have such an opportunity. Nor are some other English speaking countries exactly doing great themselves. Dont limit yourself to English speaking countries. Thats a mad thing to do. So many missed opportunities. <cite>Glob posted [p:972176273] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite><quote>Sadly, many dont have such an opportunity. Nor are some other English speaking countries exactly doing great themselves.</quote>Dont limit yourself to English speaking countries. Thats a mad thing to do. So many missed opportunities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/14/23 9:02:17 PM #69:	Glob posted... Dont limit yourself to English speaking countries. Thats a mad thing to do. So many missed opportunities. Most dont, given we are on the very low end of refugees coming here. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972177576] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>Dont limit yourself to English speaking countries. Thats a mad thing to do. So many missed opportunities.</quote>Most dont, given we are on the very low end of refugees coming here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 03/14/23 9:04:51 PM #70:	If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:972177633] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 03/14/23 9:36:33 PM #71:	ForsakenHermit posted... If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party. they sound a lot like US democrats trump: guts Dodd-Frank, eases regulations on railroads * banks and us railroads collapse* republicans and voters: BIDEEENNN!!! <cite>the_pika posted [p:972178243] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party.</quote>they sound a lot like US democrats trump: guts Dodd-Frank, eases regulations on railroads* banks and us railroads collapse*republicans and voters: BIDEEENNN!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/15/23 7:45:42 AM #72:	ForsakenHermit posted... If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party. Tbf, the tories remain in the gutter with voters thankfully. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972184066] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party.</quote>Tbf, the tories remain in the gutter with voters thankfully.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomClark 03/15/23 7:55:21 AM #73:	Funkydog posted... Tbf, the tories remain in the gutter with voters thankfully. Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starter eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected. It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif <cite>TomClark posted [p:972184146] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite><quote>Tbf, the tories remain in the gutter with voters thankfully.</quote>Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starter eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected.It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/15/23 8:10:52 AM #74:	TomClark posted... Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starter eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected. It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them. Please let me live in my fantasy land where we dont vote for the party who openly say 'vote for me and I will so my best to make things worse' for at least one day :( --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972184304] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>TomClark posted... </cite><quote>Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starter eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected.It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them.</quote>Please let me live in my fantasy land where we dont vote for the party who openly say 'vote for me and I will so my best to make things worse' for at least one day :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kage_53 03/15/23 8:23:15 AM #75:	the_pika posted... Are people still trying to immigrate to the UK though? Why not stay in Germany, Switzerland, or even Italy, Portugal or Spain? edit - not because of their policies, but because they dont seem especially prosperous right now Italy hates immigrants and their equivalent of the tories are in charge. I wouldnt be shocked if they left European Union. <cite>kage_53 posted [p:972184450] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>Are people still trying to immigrate to the UK though? Why not stay in Germany, Switzerland, or even Italy, Portugal or Spain?edit - not because of their policies, but because they dont seem especially prosperous right now</quote>Italy hates immigrants and their equivalent of the tories are in charge. I wouldnt be shocked if they left European Union.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 03/15/23 9:23:00 AM #76:	TomClark posted... Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starmer eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected. It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them. They are truly the British GOP. kage_53 posted... Italy hates immigrants and their equivalent of the tories are in charge. I wouldnt be shocked if they left European Union. it sucks that Italy now has a desantis-like leader. <cite>the_pika posted [p:972185150] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>TomClark posted... </cite><quote>Until it comes to election season. Then, the moment Starmer eats a sandwich "wrong" they'll get re-elected.It's been explicitly clear how shite the Tories are right from the start, and they always manage to slime their way out of the fact that everyone hates them.</quote>They are truly the British GOP.kage_53 posted... </cite><quote>Italy hates immigrants and their equivalent of the tories are in charge. I wouldnt be shocked if they left European Union.</quote>it sucks that Italy now has a desantis-like leader. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 03/15/23 10:02:21 AM #77:	the_pika posted... They are truly the British GOP. it sucks that Italy now has a desantis-like leader. I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:972185627] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>They are truly the British GOP.it sucks that Italy now has a desantis-like leader.</quote>I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 03/15/23 10:08:28 AM #78:	ScazarMeltex posted... I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system. Only because it already exists, and therefore is valid in their minds as they're biased towards whatever existed when they were young and what their parents and grandparents valued. They'd also get in huge trouble for going full mask off in favor of privatization. But it's abundantly clear that their values line up with the GOP. If you didn't have the NHS already and someone proposed the exact system you currently have, they'd scream about death panels and Soviet Communism and destroying the efficient operation of the free market. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:972185715] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system.</quote>Only because it already exists, and therefore is valid in their minds as they're biased towards whatever existed when they were young and what their parents and grandparents valued. They'd also get in huge trouble for going full mask off in favor of privatization.But it's abundantly clear that their values line up with the GOP. If you didn't have the NHS already and someone proposed the exact system you currently have, they'd scream about death panels and Soviet Communism and destroying the efficient operation of the free market. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 03/15/23 10:16:33 AM #79:	ForsakenHermit posted... If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party. There's already multiple left wing parties (Labour, Lib Dems, Greens), this means the left vote is split while the right only has the Conservative party to vote for making it an easy victory. (UKIP too I suppose but they're pretty much a non-party now). So the only option is tactical voting but we shouldn't have to resort to that. FPTP is awful and needs changing. We had the chance back in 2010 but blew it. <cite>Trelve posted [p:972185850] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If Labour can't capitalize on this then the UK needs a new left wing party.</quote>There's already multiple left wing parties (Labour, Lib Dems, Greens), this means the left vote is split while the right only has the Conservative party to vote for making it an easy victory. (UKIP too I suppose but they're pretty much a non-party now). So the only option is tactical voting but we shouldn't have to resort to that. FPTP is awful and needs changing. We had the chance back in 2010 but blew it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 03/15/23 10:33:15 AM #80:	Conservatives and absolute hysteria over immigration, name a more iconic duo --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:972186151] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives and absolute hysteria over immigration, name a more iconic duo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/15/23 11:01:03 AM #81:	ScazarMeltex posted... I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system. Not true anymore. They are doing their best to destroy it while continuously talking about all the ways we'll have to pay for services in the future. They 100% want the American system and only dont straight up say it for fear of losing votes. Instead they want to turn the public against it. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:972186702] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>I hate the tories but I don't think you can compare them to the GOP. The tories still at least acknowledge that the NHS is better than the American healthcare system.</quote>Not true anymore.They are doing their best to destroy it while continuously talking about all the ways we'll have to pay for services in the future.They 100% want the American system and only dont straight up say it for fear of losing votes. Instead they want to turn the public against it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Supaitwo 03/15/23 11:36:25 AM #82:	Trelve posted... There's already multiple left wing parties (Labour, Lib Dems, Greens), this means the left vote is split while the right only has the Conservative party to vote for making it an easy victory. (UKIP too I suppose but they're pretty much a non-party now). So the only option is tactical voting but we shouldn't have to resort to that. FPTP is awful and needs changing. We had the chance back in 2010 but blew it. Lib Dems havent been left wing for years, they teamed up with the tories and then elected a Christian fundie as there leader for a while. --- After 25 years he's the very best like no one ever was. <cite>Supaitwo posted [p:972187410] in UK Tory pa... [t:80378762]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite><quote>There's already multiple left wing parties (Labour, Lib Dems, Greens), this means the left vote is split while the right only has the Conservative party to vote for making it an easy victory. (UKIP too I suppose but they're pretty much a non-party now). So the only option is tactical voting but we shouldn't have to resort to that. FPTP is awful and needs changing. We had the chance back in 2010 but blew it.</quote>Lib Dems havent been left wing for years, they teamed up with the tories and then elected a Christian fundie as there leader for a while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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