Current Events > Is it rational to own a gun as a self defense weapon against a home invasion?

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So no actual argument to what I said? Just pointing out that my main's in purg? Pretty telling when an ad hominem attacks is all you have.

It makes no logical sense to assume most people who are strapped up inside their homes are hoping to get in a gunfight in the dark while they are but naked and asleep.

I mean like tell that to people where home invasions happen all of the time like Memphis for example.

A shooting range is fun. Shooting ducks, dove etc can be fun. A two way shooting range, inside your own home, in the middle of the night in the dark is not fun for anyone. Sure, there might be a few people that haven't thought out how shitty it would be unless you had NODs, body armor, a suppressed SBR, and are already awake, but most people aren't that geared up, most people sleep at night, and most people, gun owner or not, don't have murder fantasies. I think you underestimate just how many people keep a gun in their house for protection, or you're extremely cynical or maybe you have homicidal ideations and you just assume everyone else does too.

Like I said, you'd have a point if you're talking about someone carrying a full size handgun with 3 extra mags with a weapon mounted light to go through the Wendy's drive thru in a rural or suburban town.

Someone who has buys a gun that never leaves the house except to go to the range is honestly the opposite of the picture I get when I think of a cowboy hoping to smoke someone legally. And this is based up real world experience as well as common sense.

You sound like someone who has never lived in a dangerous neighborhood or at least thinks things will never get bad for you. I hope they don't, and I also hope I never have to use a gun on another human being. But if the unfortunate time comes I think I owe it to myself and my family to do what I can to protect us as well as I feasibly can.

It's not irrational to keep a weapon in the home for safety. What doesn't make sense is the need to let everyone know what a big, brave boy you are by walking around the grocery store with your holster on full display.

youenjoymyself1 posted...

Shooting ducks, dove

Can you not ? I eat chicken , yeah ...but why do you need to shoot ducks and doves when theyre going about their day ?

PsychicHippo posted...

It's not irrational to keep a weapon in the home for safety. What doesn't make sense is the need to let everyone know what a big, brave boy you are by walking around the grocery store with your holster on full display.

Except that it is irrational, because every stat ever collected shows that a household is more likely to be injured by its own gun than be protected by it. Having a gun in your home is more unsafe than not having one.

I'm thinking about getting a Sig Sauer P365

cuttin_in_farm posted...

What percentage of these events are from legally acquired guns?

And then what percentage of legal gun owners experience a tragic shooting?

Why do you think a gun being legal or not matters? At some point they all were manufactured and sold legally.

Vhagar995 posted...

Can you not ? I eat chicken , yeah ...but why do you need to shoot ducks and doves when theyre going about their day ?

You don't need to, but hunting actually helps control the population, it isn't a bad thing. There are bag limits. Poaching or trapping or shooting way over your bag limit is a bad thing.

And you eat chicken that live in a cage all their lives being fed steroids and geting inbred and genetically modified . From an ethical standpoint that is worse that shooting a dove and eating it.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Why do you think a gun being legal or not matters? At some point they all were manufactured and sold legally.

Not true. 80 percent receivers, 3d printing, smuggling etc. You can make a 3d printed Glock finish with a 10 dollar Dremel for like $200 and 3d print a auto sear "switch" and chassis system with a stock and a foregrip. Now you have a viable submachine gun for less than $500. I mean I guess we could ban 3d printers but it'd take hundred of years to confiscate all pistol barrels and slides (only metal parts you need) and even then it THAT hard to make that shit. Look up the 1911s and AR-15s they make in sheds in the Philippines with no 3d printing at all. Look up Kyber Pass guns same shit. Machine guns made in shacks in Pakistan.

Guns will never be banned in the US, they might ban semi automatics eventually or at least "assault weapons"(semi automatic, magazine fed, high capacity) but they'll never be a full on ban, and mass shootings will still continue to happen. Our best bet on minimizing that is to make our schools more protected and maybe invest in some mental health options for people. Also make less areas "gun free zones" since apparently mass shooters target these on purpose.

I love shooting paper targets at the indoor range, and outdoors its a lot of fun shooting those clay pigeons.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I love shooting paper targets at the indoor range, and outdoors its a lot of fun shooting those clay pigeons.

Wish you live around me so we could kick it and shoot clay pigeons and paper targets at my outdoor range is fun too. My indoor range only goes to 25yds where my outdoor goes from 25 to 100 with target holders every 5 yards and steel plates at 25 and 50 yards.

I love having an outdoor range at my vacation property.

Most of the time I just sit and plink until hunting season. But I haven't gotten a chance to hunt in a few years because I work myself to death to save up some munny.

Irony posted...

I'd say most people that buy a gun for this are actually buying it and hoping they get their home invaded

I'd say nobody wants their home invaded.

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Sorry the truth hurts you so much. Don't worry, you can still dream of your utopia where only criminals have guns and regular people can't defend themselves.

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When did I say arming people in schools will create a utopia? All I've said is that it's rational to have a gun in the home for self defense

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It's always funny when people go off the rails flaming you but still try to stay within the TOS because they basically live here

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I mean armed guards and civilians have stopped plenty of mass shootings before. Not really your fault for not knowing that because the media doesn't blast it all over the TV and internet when it happens.

I have a non-gun weapon in nearly every room of my home. Bring it, bitches

Are rocksalt shotgun shells still legal?

Owning a gun for anything other than hunting or work is irrational imo.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Are rocksalt shotgun shells still legal?

As far as I can find: yes.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Are rocksalt shotgun shells still legal?

I would not even waste time with that as it could easily get you killed, that is like using birdshot for home defense a terrible idea.

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What I said wasn't untrue. There have been many mass shootings stopped due to people carrying a gun. If someone stops a mass shootings before it happens, it isn't reported as a "mass shooting stopped" it is reported as a "defensive handgun uses".

Defensive handgun uses in America average around 1.7 million times a year. Statistically this is correct.

Geez I wonder why the CDC doesn't keep up with defensive gun use now that Biden "9mm will blow out your lungs" is in charge? Curious as to why he would do that...

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Forget mass shootings.....how about child injuries/deaths and suicides?

Is it rational? Maybe not. Do I own guns? Sure do... They're safely out of reach from my kids, not loaded, and the ammunition is stored separately. I honestly don't know the last time I fired one.

Why do so many people think they arent safe? These type of people need to turn off the news.

Owning a handgun for self defense to keep in your home is perfectly acceptable. Owning anything strong enough to kill crowds of people is not.

Owning a hand gun out in public should require some extensive safety tests and paper work. There have been cases of people saving others by carrying in public during crimes.

The excuse to own something more than a handgun to protect themselves from the government is pretty silly considering the military would destroy us pretty easily.

Owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes I believe should require something more extensive for owning them. Im all for digitally locked fire arms that can identify people and wont fire if it does.

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Honestly, this doesnt sound rationale. You sound like one of those people who builds a bomb shelter because it could happen.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I would not even waste time with that as it could easily get you killed, that is like using birdshot for home defense a terrible idea.

What if a gang of pigeons break in?

not in this country lol

Whats funny is that these types of people, probably dont exercise, eat right, not drink alcohol or do other drugs, or go to the medical doctor, but they need a gun for their protection.

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

Whats funny is that these types of people, probably dont exercise, eat right, not drink alcohol or do other drugs, or go to the medical doctor, but they need a gun for their protection.

Are you implying someone who is well fit and healthy can defend themselves with their bare hands from home invaders in the middle of their sleep?

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Are you implying someone who is well fit and healthy can defend themselves with their bare hands from home invaders in the middle of their sleep?

Not at all. If you cared about your health, you would be doing those things. But those take actual effort.

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

Whats funny is that these types of people, probably dont exercise, eat right, not drink alcohol or do other drugs, or go to the medical doctor, but they need a gun for their protection.

You expect a fat guy on oxygen to take down a home-invader with jujitsu or something?

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

Not at all. If you cared about your health, you would be doing those things. But those take actual effort.

Then how is that relevant to this topic lol

Honestly, its sad that people are defending a behavior that more often than not hurts others. Youre gonna be okay without your gun.

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

Honestly, its sad that people are defending a behavior that more often than not hurts others. Youre gonna be okay without your gun.

lmao

who even is this spin4fun dude? you know what's really fun? spinning right on over to the account closure form