Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 11: A Few Photons Never Hurt Anybody

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EDumey posted...

Lea, my mind is being tempted by the dark side. The Borg/Sith hybrid Collective/Lord Darth Locutus Ben has made me consider what if there are two lying Vanilla?

If I am to assume JC is truthful, then it seems like only one of Ctes/Sultan might be scum. Talking about the Ctes claim to have an excuse for moving, that makes more sense if Ctes/Sultan are opposed, because otherwise they just have always moving Sultan do all night kills. Not impossible for both to be scum and Ctes just covering his own ass, but something to consider.

Then it seems very unlikely for Han and Ben to both be scum just based on play, so they also seem opposed.

Which leaves... you. Oh sweet betrayal, how could this happen to me?

Ease my mind of this dark temptation. Are there only two scum left? Is Han/Ben remotely possible? Is JC scum here and throwing off my read? Is Ctes/Sultan totally possible and I shouldn't be swayed by Ben's sweet whisperings of murdering Vanilla's?

I feel the need to slay Darth Locutus Ben to sate my desire for killing Vanillas and quell this treacherous mind of mine.

Creative way to wrap it around to killing me, I'll give you that.

Lmeowa

EDumey posted...

I was just about to make a joke about how I will never forgive you for AFKing through our scum game when I could have had this stubborn persistent Ben on my side instead.

But you yourself provided the reasonings that you had issues accessing GFAQs from work that you resolved for this game, so is that really a reasonable question to ask me?

Ignore my activity differences. Surely activity isn't the only thing to analyze about someone's play

PunishedBen posted...

Ignore my activity differences. Surely activity isn't the only thing to analyze about someone's play

Genuinely most of your posts were based around the fake claim you made for yourself that you kind of put yourself in that situation to begin with. I don't think it's fair of you to ask me to compare the two games when there's is such a stark difference in context, both activity and game state.

Though I will admit, and admitted as much in scum chat, that I felt very stunlocked by Kirby that game and was afraid to post anything at a point. So being scum did tie into inactivity a little that game too

Also, cute framing aside, the point of my Lea post there is to honestly analyze whether I think a pairing like Ctes/Sultan together is reasonable or not. Or if I'm being too charitable to JC's claim now that we have strong reason to believe Ulti was shot N3 instead of JC. These are things to consider, but even if I came to the conclusion that it was unlikely and I needed to seriously consider Lea in that scum team, I strongly doubt I would vote for her before you in the present situation.

Nooooo, I did not say I think it's two scum. I said in a fringe fringe case, because someone was challenging me to make a smaller scum POE, I can accept their being two scum.

Two scum is still easier for me to believe Than Ctes and JC not being town. BUT I DONT THINK THERE'S 2 SCUM

2 scum also requires one of Dumey, Lea, and Han to be town and I've yet to see it. They're so tightly wrapped in a bundle it's sickening

Thank you Lea, I feel as though beams of bright pastel robin egg blue have come over the horizon to shatter the darkness over clouded mind, and I can see clearly once again.

that doesnt sound like when someone busts out a quality look on the runway and ru says girl youre sickening

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Hey don't put that bad Vanilla killing juju on me. It's only a discussion point now because so many have flipped before I even joined the game. And i did NOT want to kill Wallz. Especially not after his reactions at the end of day

I didn't mention anything about the RB because JC already said what he did. What's the point in me giving that information away now when there's more than one scum left for sure? Does it really do much but give scum info?

Oh wait, I will say one single thing.

I did not RB Ben.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I didn't mention anything about the RB because JC already said what he did. What's the point in me giving that information away now when there's more than one scum left for sure? Does it really do much but give scum info?

because the information is useless to everyone if we lose today

if it's a 3-man scumteam there won't even be an NK to block

Ctes is now for going giving town info to solve the game...

ctesjbuvf posted...

I didn't mention anything about the RB because JC already said what he did. What's the point in me giving that information away now when there's more than one scum left for sure? Does it really do much but give scum info?

and why didn't you disclose this sooner given that a) there was an expectation you would inform us and b) you were asked specifically by sultan on page 1?

It was a legit question!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Ctes is now for going giving town info to solve the game...

Just like Han and him did last game. It's okay imo

Worst case scenario, There are two other scum

Chaeix posted...

and why didn't you disclose this sooner given that a) there was an expectation you would inform us and b) you were asked specifically by sultan on page 1?

Sorry, I had a relatively small window earlier to play and got to caught up in trying to work out Ulti's role.

ctesjbuvf posted...

It was a legit question!

and our answers suggest that we believe there is more than just value to scum from you sharing

ctesjbuvf posted...

Sorry, I had a relatively small window earlier to play and got to caught up in trying to work out Ulti's role.

a relatively small window huh

5:50-something EST you arrive - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80381579/972227793

8:33 EST you leave - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80381579/972229241

i gotta say nearly 3 hours doesn't sound like a relatively small window

I mean, I was not playing mafia that whole time, cmon.

Chaeix posted...

and our answers suggest that we believe there is more than just value to scum from you sharing

And I'm considering it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I mean, I was not playing mafia that whole time, cmon.

that's... not an excuse for this?

My vote now switched to Ctes in theory

Chaeix posted...

that's... not an excuse for this?

to flesh this thought out further, "i was not playing mafia the whole time" is not an excuse for "while i was playing mafia i neglected to do X"

Chaeix posted...

that's... not an excuse for this?

I DID not have much time to play earlier. You highlighting my first and last post in some window doesn't change that, you can also just look at the time between the posts I did respond to contra how many posts were between them.

I told you right away should I have probably answered to it, I was juggling between this things I had to get done, and by the time I was caught up I had forgotten Sultan asked specifically. This is a weird thing to attack.

I get that you want to hear my result, but you should be able to see the goddamn value in not telling it. I literally just won town a game with Han by being very insistent on not telling town, you included even, what I knew.

Like, I did not actively chose to not answer to that specific post.

it's not specifically about sultan's post

it's that you didn't bring it up unprompted, with the added caveat of having been asked specifically - making it seem even weirder that you wouldn't address it in the first place

whether or not there is value in not telling it, it's just an extreme omission that you didn't bring it up at all

Alright, I see your point.

I will admit I was surprised to see you say your action right away.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Alright, I see your point.

I will admit I was surprised to see you say your action right away.

so you were surprised and then just forgot to mention that surprise for 3 hours when it related to a promise you made to town last day

like if you're town you really have to see where my apprehension comes from here

What worth is there in me mentioning that surprise?

I promised I would tell before you reveales your action. That was made impossible.

I don't really get the apprehension actually. What are you saying you're afraid I'm scum and hoped that no one would ever ask about this? I think you're overstating how active a decision not bringing up anything about it was.

But alright. I see the value.

I did not use it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

What worth is there in me mentioning that surprise?

I promised I would tell before you reveales your action. That was made impossible.

I don't really get the apprehension actually. What are you saying you're afraid I'm scum and hoped that no one would ever ask about this? I think you're overstating how active a decision not bringing up anything about it was.

A few things:

• it's not so much about 'worth' to me as it is just strange that you wouldn't mention it at all
• I'm trying to figure out how active the decision was. That's why I'm asking a bunch of questions. Asking about an interpretation of things necessarily requires putting that interp forward.
• If you're scum it's less about not being asked entirely, because it's a predictable question, and more about just trying to withhold information for as long as possible

I certainly haven't come to a conclusion on all this.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But alright. I see the value.

I did not use it.

If you were going to use it, who would you have used it on?

And why didn't you use it to try and save Ulti?

Chaeix posted...

If you were going to use it, who would you have used it on?

I considered almost everyone, although not you and Ulti. I considered Han a good bit because I felt best about him being scum, then considered Lea because if I was right about that team, I thought they'd expect me to RB Han. I thought about Sultan because he basically gets confirmed if the kill goes through while he's blocked. I did consider who you would scan, expected Ben, so considered him less than others. Not using it prevents scum from hammering today although I was a bit afraid of an extra kill, but yeah.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Not using it prevents scum from hammering today although I was a bit afraid of an extra kill, but yeah.

what

Chaeix posted...

And why didn't you use it to try and save Ulti?

I mean, just the previous night where I didn't use it, me using it would have let me to believe I hit scum for sure. I wasn't sure what to make of Ulti's role at that point.

Chaeix posted...

what

Wait that's actually not true.

True at mylo not at lylo.

You might have said this already JC, but why did you not want to go for Han rather than your own scan yesterday?

Also I can be around not too much tonight, I will probably try, but don't expect too much. Tomorrow is good.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I mean, just the previous night where I didn't use it, me using it would have let me to believe I hit scum for sure. I wasn't sure what to make of Ulti's role at that point.

So you were worried that scum would no-kill instead of shoot Ulti if I'm following?

ctesjbuvf posted...

You might have said this already JC, but why did you not want to go for Han rather than your own scan yesterday?

Honestly I kind of thought they were scumbuddies and I was forcing Han to vote out his scumbuddy by making him move his vote off Ben to save himself.

When wallz flipped it was straight up an 'oh fuck me i'm so bad at this game' kind of deal.

That's a fair answer.

Chaeix posted...

So you were worried that scum would no-kill instead of shoot Ulti if I'm following?

No, not at all. I considered using it n3 as well but in hindsight I was glad I didn't since it woukd have meant I'd likely attack someone for the wrong reasons when no one died without me using it. When no kill then happened I wasn't sure what Ulti's role was anymore. The same would be the case this previous night. If no died I don't think I could reasonably know for sure if it was Ulti or me who caused it. I think it's value increases significantly this following night.