Current Events > JK Rowling calls Transitioning kids One of the worst medical scandals in century

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CyricZ posted...

Fine, you disagree with the idea that fostering an exclusory culture of trans women being "not women" isn't harmful. Good for you on that one.

But I don't think you get to say that and not have people draw conclusions about you as a person.

What I disagree with is treating something that could be better but is still ultimately a good thing as something altogether horrible because of shitty views of somebody funding it. Do you think it would be better for that shelter to not exist than to exist and not be as inclusive as you want it to be?

Deteled posted...

So you see no problem with a shelter for young boys not accepting young black boys then?

Because it's more like that than your example.

I would have a problem with that but I dont think I agree that the difference between Black boys and boys of other races is analogous to the difference between cis and trans people. And that goes back to what I said about the apparent inconsistency in which some of these things are applied, because there are many organizations that are solely to support a single race just as there are many that are to solely to support one sex/gender/orientation/etc.

"As long as some children's sports leagues allow blacks, why does it matter if all don't?"

-Tenlaar, in this topic

It's more like he just said "but see I don't see trans women as real women" but he wants to make it not sound awful.

Spoilers; it still does

CrestedTax posted...

Are people here really in favor of transitioning kids or are you all just hating on JK Rowling? If it's the former you people are sick.

"Are people here really in favor of treating kids for health issues or are you all just hating on <asshole celebrity>?"

hockeybub89 posted...

"Are people here really in favor of treating kids for health issues or are you all just hating on <asshole celebrity>?"

Is transitioning a health issue?

Goth posted...

Is transitioning a health issue?

No, it's a treatment for an issue. Not sure why weirdos treat this one thing as special and something kids are just supposed to suck it up and deal with. Probably the same people who think kids can't be depressed or anxious.

Kids are well-known for making sound decisions after all.

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Want me to make the "goth is warned" topic?

Tenlaar posted...

What I disagree with is treating something that could be better but is still ultimately a good thing as something altogether horrible because of shitty views of somebody funding it. Do you think it would be better for that shelter to not exist than to exist and not be as inclusive as you want it to be?

"Isn't it a good thing that an inner city kids' support program is being established, even though it excludes black kids? Do you think it would be better for that program to not exist?"

You still haven't answered why you're in this topic. Why this little nit to pick is so important to you. I don't buy "inconsistent logic exists on the Internet and I must correct it". You're too fucking emotional for that to pass.

Goth posted...

Kids are well-known for making sound decisions after all.

Speaking from personal experience of your own poor decisions of getting banned?

CyricZ posted...

"Isn't it a good thing that an inner city kids' support program is being established, even though it excludes black kids? Do you think it would be better for that program to not exist?"

Answer the question. Would you prefer a support program for cis women who have been raped cannot exist because they dont agree with your view that trans women need to be included regardless of how it may affect the cis women?

You still haven't answered why you're in this topic. Why this little nit to pick is so important to you. I don't buy "inconsistent logic exists on the Internet and I must correct it". You're too fucking emotional for that to pass.

I have told you why, I dont care if you want to pretend there has to be some bigoted ulterior motive at play. Making up things like how emotional I must be is pointless troll shit. If you dont want to talk about what I posted about then dont reply to it.

Tenlaar posted...

Answer the question. Would you prefer a support program for cis women who have been raped cannot exist because they dont agree with your view that trans women need to be included regardless of how it may affect the cis women?

"Charity organizations" built on bigotry should not exist. This is not some "oh there's just a disagreement of views" bullshit and you CONTINUALLY framing it like that is FUCKING SUSPICIOUS.

The logistical exclusion of trans women from the group known as "women" is straight bigotry, and you know this. Or at least I thought you did.

At the very least, you could provide some justification for why cis women should exclude trans women.

Tenlaar posted...

I dont care if you want to pretend there has to be some bigoted ulterior motive at play.

Yes you do. You keep losing your shit at everyone who calls your number and it clearly pisses you off. You have some other motive here than someone being "wrong on the Internet" if the core of your argument has been cornered to "how dare you shut down a charity organization just for being bigoted".

rowling is a shitposting troll

This topic wow

Sheep for Wolves, I mean Gays against Groomers better watch out because if Trans people are gone, they are next.

hockeybub89 posted...

No, it's a treatment for an issue. Not sure why weirdos treat this one thing as special and something kids are just supposed to suck it up and deal with. Probably the same people who think kids can't be depressed or anxious.

Now I don't think Rowling is one of them but there are many people who want them to be depressed and anxious, want them to commit suicide even. A dead trans kid is one less trans person to them.

Now I seriously doubt Rowling believes that.

creativerealms posted...

Now I don't think Rowling is one of them but there are many people who want them to be depressed and anxious, want them to commit suicide even. A dead trans kid is one less trans person to them.

Now I seriously doubt Rowling believes that.

Lol of course she does

DarthAragorn posted...

Lol of course she does

Na so far she hasn't gone as far as wishing for their death. Maybe in a year she will be there.

creativerealms posted...

Now I don't think Rowling is one of them but there are many people who want them to be depressed and anxious, want them to commit suicide even. A dead trans kid is one less trans person to them.

Now I seriously doubt Rowling believes that.

Well she hasn't expressed that belief publicly. Whether or not she does in private... Let's just say, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that she does.

You guys are really stretching.

Goth posted...

You guys are really stretching.

Geesh, VM, don't you know impersonation is a serious crime against the ToS here?

https://youtu.be/6xGOZwZo1S8

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Do you think that they should be pressured to accept trans women who present as male, regardless of how that may affect other women in the shelter?

"I want to help people! I am here to help people! You are upset about how I help people and rather than helping all people I'll just help no people" isn't someone who actually wants to help people. It's someone who wants to pretend to be helping people while taking a jab at the other group that's asking for help.

Once again I have to say that this does not seem like something that is consistently applied. I have a hard time believing that you would say that a support program for trans women should be pressured to accept cis women and if the people running it dont want to do that it means that they dont actually want to help people. Or a youth group for Black children should be pressured to accept children of other races as well, a support group for gay or lesbian people should be pressured to accept bisexual or even asexual people, and so on. It is very common for groups to focus on supporting one sub-group of a demographic rather than the whole of the demographic.

Tenlaar, please kindly shut the fuck up forever

Just learned of another one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance .
What's happening there. Also yeah, Tenlaar needs to get suspended again

KainWind posted...

Somehow Peterson made it worse

i don't even understand what he's trying to say

GiftedACIII posted...

Just learned of another one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance .
What's happening there. Also yeah, Tenlaar needs to get suspended again

Disgusting that he hasn't been banned yet as much as he gets suspended

I have gotten suspended here and there for insulting users by repeating things that they had posted in the past (like when I pointed out that a user had previously been banned for posting White nationalist great replacement rhetoric) and most recently for suggesting some self awareness on the part of a poster insulting other people for something that very much applied to themselves. Some of you like to pretend that I get suspended for having some terrible set of political beliefs but that just isnt true.

That is absolutely not what you're most known for lol. It's the consistent downplaying of the most heinous crimes and the "very good people on all sides" rhetoric.

lol is Tenlaar still going? He blocked me so I can only imagine what little tirade he's going on.

CyricZ posted...

lol is Tenlaar still going? He blocked me so I can only imagine what little tirade he's going on.

He blocked me as well but I'm blocking him for when he decides to come back to mock us

Oh I'm not blocking him. I'll need to know when he decides to go public about how "the left pushed him to the far right".

DarthAragorn posted...

Disgusting that he hasn't been banned yet as much as he gets suspended

Allen never actually checks, he just auto purges.

CyricZ posted...

Oh I'm not blocking him. I'll need to know when he decides to go public about how "the left pushed him to the far right".

I had him blocked on my last account anyways. He's always been like that.

Supaitwo posted...

Allen never actually checks, he just auto purges.

Funny since my last two accounts got suspended and then banned at the same time without any prior suspensions or purgs on their records. No warnings on them, either.

remandramdoll posted...

I had him blocked on my last account anyways. He's always been like that.

Funny since my last two accounts got suspended and then banned at the same time without any prior suspensions or purgs on their records. No warnings on them, either.

Weird as Allan has admitted as such and even claims he listens to mods that ask him to ban but then has been known to ignore them.

Supaitwo posted...

Weird as Allan has admitted as such and even claims he listens to mods that ask him to ban but then has been known to ignore them.

Eh. Even with my record being clean the mods openly stated that my life long reputation was why they all were climbing over each other, cheering and so on. -_- Meanwhile blatant repeated transphobia isn't even consistently resulting in more than warnings for these people because well. I'd say it reflects the priorities and understanding of issues for the mod team and sballen as a whole.

remandramdoll posted...

He blocked me as well but I'm blocking him for when he decides to come back to mock us

Consider yourself lucky

Allan obviously has biases when it comes to who gets banned or not with how many hateful people get chance after chance. Plus look at some of the past mods like Admiral. He let them go on for a long time.

Southernfatman posted...

Allan obviously has biases when it comes to who gets banned or not with how many hateful people get chance after chance. Plus look at some of the past mods like Admiral. He let them go on for a long time.

Current mods as well.

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Wow. I'm never sure quite how i feel about you, conflict, but on this matter I do appreciate your insight. Yikes.

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I did not get suspended for saying that its bad to dehumanize anyone. Stop making things up, and stop trying to twist using Nazis as an example of the worst people in history as some how being a pro-Nazi post.

GiftedACIII posted...

That is absolutely not what you're most known for lol. It's the consistent downplaying of the most heinous crimes and the "very good people on all sides" rhetoric.

This is a flat out not true. I do not and have not posted anything resembling very good people on all sides rhetoric, and Im certainly curious what heinous crimes you believe I have downplayed.

I dont know why so many of you just make things up as if Im not going to know youre making it up.