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BlueTigerLion
04/06/23 9:54:02 AM
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https://nypost.com/2023/04/06/bystander-ignored-dying-tech-guru-bob-lee-begging-for-help/

Tragic video shows dying Cash App founder Bob Lee was ignored by bystanders as he begged for help after being stabbed in San Francisco early Tuesday. Before succumbing to his injuries, the 43-year-old chief product officer of MobileCoin walked up to a parked car that had its hazard flashers on to try to get help, according to surveillance footage obtained by the San Francisco Standard. Footage showed Lee lifted his shirt to show the driver his two stab wounds but collapsed to the ground as the car drove off. Lee called 911 at 2:34 a.m. and pleaded for help, yelling to dispatchers that he had been stabbed and needed to go to the hospital. Police arrived less than six minutes later and found Lee unconscious with two stab wounds to the chest.

He was rushed to San Francisco General Hospital, where he died. Police had not announced any arrests or named any suspects in the stabbing as of Thursday morning. The brutal fatal stabbing in the citys downtown Rincon Hill neighborhood, a well-to-do area in former House Speaker Nancy Pelosis district, left a trail of blood along the sidewalk outside the building where Lee collapsed, according to the Standard. Police have not said whether the stabbing was a random or targeted attack. Lee, who was a father of two and a longtime Bay Area resident, had recently moved back to Miami because he felt San Francisco was deteriorating, his friend Jake Shields said. Shields revealed Lee was attacked while he was walking. He was in the good part of the city and appeared to have been targeted in a random mugging/attack, Shields tweeted. His death sparked outrage within the tech industry and prompted giants like Elon Musk to express concern over public safety in the city. Many people I know have been severely assaulted, Musk tweeted. Violent crime in SF is horrific and even if attackers are caught, they are often released immediately.

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Solar_Crimson
04/06/23 10:13:16 AM
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The right-wing is going to have a field day with this.

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VeggetaX
04/06/23 10:17:08 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The right-wing is going to have a field day with this.
Yep.

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Damn_Underscore
04/06/23 10:23:26 AM
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Its sad that peoples first thoughts are what will the right think of this?

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creativerealms
04/06/23 10:25:23 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Its sad that peoples first thoughts are what will the right think of this?
Yes it is, we live in sad times.

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Solid_Sonic
04/06/23 10:27:15 AM
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Should the government come out and openly shame people for the way they behaved in this instance?

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Ivynn
04/06/23 10:32:57 AM
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That's sad. Look up Kitty Genovese (sp?) is you want to see how bad Bystander Effect can get.

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Damn_Underscore
04/06/23 10:34:40 AM
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Ivynn posted...
That's sad. Look up Kitty Genovese (sp?) is you want to see how bad Bystander Effect can get.

Looking this up the article that claimed nobody did anything was wrong...

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cjsdowg
04/06/23 10:35:42 AM
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It is the post so everything besides am being dead and musk being himself should not be taken with out out reports

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SpiritSephiroth
04/06/23 10:43:12 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The right-wing is going to have a field day with this.

This site man, fucking hell

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Irony
04/06/23 10:43:54 AM
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That's fucked

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TheSavageDragon
04/06/23 10:43:55 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Looking this up the article that claimed nobody did anything was wrong...

Yeah, I keep seeing that case being brought up in various places. For some reason people are incapable of reading an entire wiki article.
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Kaiganeer
04/06/23 10:46:16 AM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
the 43-year-old chief product officer of MobileCoin walked up to a parked car that had its hazard flashers on to try to get help, according to surveillance footage obtained by the San Francisco Standard. Footage showed Lee lifted his shirt to show the driver his two stab wounds but collapsed to the ground as the car drove off.
i mean, picture yourself in this situation. are you really gonna get out of your car and get involved in whatever the dude with two stab wounds is tangled up in or are you going to get the fuck out of there as fast as you can?
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Irony
04/06/23 10:46:39 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
i mean, picture yourself in this situation. are you really gonna get out of your car and get involved in whatever the dude with two stab wounds is tangled up in or are you going to get the fuck out of there as fast as you can?
Uh help?

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TheSavageDragon
04/06/23 10:51:52 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
i mean, picture yourself in this situation. are you really gonna get out of your car and get involved in whatever the dude with two stab wounds is tangled up in or are you going to get the fuck out of there as fast as you can?

How's about opening the passenger door, getting the wounded human being into your car and then getting the fuck out of there as fast as you can?
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AmericaTheBrave
04/06/23 11:04:06 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
How's about opening the passenger door, getting the wounded human being into your car and then getting the fuck out of there as fast as you can?

Easy to say from behind a computer screen. Would you actually do that if you actually were in that situation? Doubt it. Self-preservation takes over. You see a stabbed man coming up to you, you'll probably want to get out of the area lest you get stabbed yourself. Don't see why anyone couldn't at least call 911 tho.

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bigblu89
04/06/23 11:14:55 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
How's about opening the passenger door, getting the wounded human being into your car and then getting the fuck out of there as fast as you can?
You know who says this?

People that have never seen a knife used for anything other than to cut food.

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Nirvanas_Nox
04/06/23 11:24:56 AM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Easy to say from behind a computer screen. Would you actually do that if you actually were in that situation? Doubt it. Self-preservation takes over. You see a stabbed man coming up to you, you'll probably want to get out of the area lest you get stabbed yourself. Don't see why anyone couldn't at least call 911 tho.

So your saying that if you got stabbed and you came up to my car for help it's OK for me to just drive off and leave you to bleed out on the curb? Nah dude that ain't right. I'd open the door help in and take the person to the hospital like a decent person.

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DipDipDiver
04/06/23 11:26:22 AM
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It could be as simple as them misinterpreting the situation and trying to get away from the random dude who approached them covered in blood. There's a lot of reasons bystander effect can occur, it's a fairly normal and common thing honestly
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bigblu89
04/06/23 11:30:33 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
I've had a dude come at me with a knife. It's scary as fuck.

Good. So you now understand why someone would flee.

People won't even answer their phone if it's a number they don't recognize. But you think we're all going to rush to the rescue of a random bleeding stranger?

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A_Good_Boy
04/06/23 11:30:53 AM
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Nirvanas_Nox posted...
So your saying that if you got stabbed and you came up to my car for help it's OK for me to just drive off and leave you to bleed out on the curb? Nah dude that ain't right. I'd open the door help in and take the person to the hospital like a decent person.
Everyone always says this shit but nobody really knows how they'll react in a crisis. It's easy enough to speculate whn you're comfortably browsing on CE, but it's another when almost 3am and you're out in the dark on the cold streets sitting in your car doing who knows what and suddenly some dude pops up out of nowhere covered in blood and starts pleading at you.

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ThunderTrain
04/06/23 11:33:47 AM
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How do you know hes not a psychopath that stabbed himself and will stab you when he gets in your car?

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Sufferedphoneix
04/06/23 11:38:26 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Everyone always says this shit but nobody really knows how they'll react in a crisis. It's easy enough to speculate whn you're comfortably browsing on CE, but it's another when almost 3am and you're out in the dark on the cold streets sitting in your car doing who knows what and suddenly some dude pops up out of nowhere covered in blood and starts pleading at you.

It's literally part of my job to run towards these kinda situations and I have. At this point I feel it would just come natural.

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xlr_big-coop
04/06/23 11:42:40 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Its sad that peoples first thoughts are what will the right think of this?
That's when you know these people have nothing of value to ad to the conversation, probably even society.

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TheSavageDragon
04/06/23 11:42:49 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
You know who says this?

People that have never seen a knife used for anything other than to cut food.

You know who says this?

People desperately trying to justify being cowards. I've had knives pulled on me and I've seen a buddy get stabbed. Know what I didn't do? Leave him bleeding on the ground while I ran like a coward.
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opopopza
04/06/23 11:43:25 AM
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If someone came up to me covered in blood at 3am, I would definitely call 911. But that's about all I'm doing, I'm not trained to help in that situation and I doubt I'm going to getting him to the hospital any quicker than calling an ambulance and having professionals take over.

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asdf8562
04/06/23 11:45:38 AM
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Nirvanas_Nox posted...
So your saying that if you got stabbed and you came up to my car for help it's OK for me to just drive off and leave you to bleed out on the curb? Nah dude that ain't right. I'd open the door help in and take the person to the hospital like a decent person.
You say this, but pretty words mean very little when actually faced with dilemma and not knowing the full picture like we are doing reading the aftermath behind a computer screen.

We can read the full or better picture of the situation and better assess the situation. We know who the victim was, we know the victim is truly an actual victim and not some elaborate rouge (some criminal do put on drama club productions to get their mark), we know he posed no threat to yourself and anyone in the car, we know he likely wouldn't bring future criminal activity to your doorstep.

In some neighborhoods, its even worse with unspoken rules that can lead to more danger to you and your loved ones if you get involved. There's just so much we know since we are reading the aftermath that someone in the moment would not know.

While its definitely tragic, there are multiple reasons why bystanders try to ignore a situation out of self preservation.
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HudGard
04/06/23 11:53:16 AM
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Ill be honest. And not sure how much is me and how much is societal conditioning. But if that happened my first thought would be am I being bamboozled? and wonder if its an act to carjack or mug me. After seeing the wound though? Probably would have tried to help.

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Gritty
04/06/23 11:54:38 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
i mean, picture yourself in this situation. are you really gonna get out of your car and get involved in whatever the dude with two stab wounds is tangled up in or are you going to get the fuck out of there as fast as you can?

exacty. You dont know who this dude is.
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LinkPizza
04/06/23 12:26:39 PM
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For people saying to help, its not the smartest decision. There are people who pretend to be hurt or whatever just to get people to get out of a car to help, only to ambush them, take their car, and possibly kill them. They even had people who would lay in the middle of the road to get you to stop. Even if you didnt het out of the car, they would try to break you window or shoot you. In this case, for all you know, the wounds could have been fake or shallow, and he could have been planning to kill/stab you. Or the stabber could have been close by Calling the cops and waiting is probably fine (the probably is for the waiting part) But getting out or letting him in might not be Though, if they recognized him, they may have been more willing to help And if they actually knew him, they most likely would have helped, as that changes things

TheSavageDragon posted...
You know who says this?

People desperately trying to justify being cowards. I've had knives pulled on me and I've seen a buddy get stabbed. Know what I didn't do? Leave him bleeding on the ground while I ran like a coward.

This is different. You actually knew the person. How do I know I wont get stabbed. It sounds like they didnt see him get stabbed. So, how would they know he didnt stab himself. Or the person who stabbed him wasnt close by Your situation was very different from this one So, of course you would act differently. Most people who saw their buddy get stabbed wouldnt leave them But this situation is different

opopopza posted...
If someone came up to me covered in blood at 3am, I would definitely call 911. But that's about all I'm doing, I'm not trained to help in that situation and I doubt I'm going to getting him to the hospital any quicker than calling an ambulance and having professionals take over.

Not to mention the ambulance can help to stabilize him in the way tk the hospital, as well Having him get in the car wouldnt actually help at all So, this makes sense

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WBC_Injury
04/06/23 12:30:12 PM
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https://nypost.com/
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RlP
04/06/23 12:34:31 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
For people saying to help, its not the smartest decision. There are people who pretend to be hurt or whatever just to get people to get out of a car to help, only to ambush them, take their car, and possibly kill them. They even had people who would lay in the middle of the road to get you to stop. Even if you didnt het out of the car, they would try to break you window or shoot you. In this case, for all you know, the wounds could have been fake or shallow, and he could have been planning to kill/stab you. Or the stabber could have been close by Calling the cops and waiting it probably fine But getting out or letting him in might not be Though, if they recognized him, they may have been more willing to help And if they actually knew him, they most likely would have helped, as that changes things

This is different. You actually knew the person. How do I know I wont get stabbed. It sounds like they didnt see him get stabbed. So, how would they know he didnt stab himself. Or the person who stabbed him wasnt close by Your situation was very different from this one So, of course you would act differently. Most people who saw their buddy get stabbed wouldnt leave them But this situation is different

Not to mention the ambulance can help to stabilize him in the way tk the hospital, as well Having him get in the car wouldnt actually help at all So, this makes sense

This is the US, you help him and then get sued for preventing professionals like an ambulance help him. If you could trust strangers, this would be a different world.

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thronedfire2
04/06/23 12:39:12 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Its sad that peoples first thoughts are what will the right think of this?

that wasnt anyones first thought though. We know exactly what the right wingers are going to say.

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Pepys_Monster
04/06/23 12:43:16 PM
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This is tragic. If I lived in San Francisco, I'd get a permit and start carrying a gun.

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WBC_Injury
04/06/23 12:45:17 PM
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Can someone cite a source that isn't the NY Shitpost? Everything I read prior to this topic was that he was stabbed. The "bystanders not helping" angle hadn't been discussed up to this point.
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Gritty
04/06/23 1:05:18 PM
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thats an excellent point. Though we dont know in this case, if the driver did call 911 afterwards or not, but assuming they didnt then, yeah that would be shitty. I can understand not stopping or trying to help with some complete stranger runs up to you covered in blood but you got to at least call.
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NeonTentacles
04/06/23 1:06:16 PM
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Man, San Francisco really turned into a shithole the last few years

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Zikten
04/06/23 1:09:55 PM
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Did they find the person who killed him?
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ThePrinceFish
04/06/23 1:10:25 PM
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Democracy is grand. It turns out you get exactly what you vote for.

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Gritty
04/06/23 1:12:07 PM
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Democracy is grand. It turns out you get exactly what you vote for.
Yikes

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WBC_Injury
04/06/23 1:14:39 PM
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Gritty posted...
Yikes

me thinks you didnt say this about Ashley Babbitt

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BlueTigerLion
04/06/23 1:16:34 PM
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WBC_Injury posted...
Can someone cite a source that isn't the NY Shitpost? Everything I read prior to this topic was that he was stabbed. The "bystanders not helping" angle hadn't been discussed up to this point.

You were reading old news articles. There have been updates to the story since. Here is another source. I have to Tinyurl it due to GameFaqs 150 url character limit

https://tinyurl.com/yc46vvhy


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refmon
04/06/23 1:18:41 PM
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WBC_Injury
04/06/23 1:19:29 PM
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relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKUCK7spm08
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NicholasCage
04/06/23 1:20:45 PM
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Forget it, Jake. Its Frisco-town.
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