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Sphyx
04/17/23 6:49:15 PM
#154:


Why do they hate islamic fundamentalism when they're trying so hard to copy it?

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RuneterranSnap
04/17/23 6:50:35 PM
#155:


There's never a good excuse for the death penalty.
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wanderingshade
04/17/23 6:52:58 PM
#156:


From what I've seen of these laws, it looks like you could be executed if you went to a Comic/Anime convention in Florida dressed as Sailor Moon.

"No you see it's funny because I'm hairy and have a mustache an-"
"Death. And all it took was a 2/3rds majority."

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Concreterock2
04/17/23 6:55:11 PM
#157:


Death penalty is legitimate. Only issue is that Florida reduced it to 8-4 as opposed to unanimous. Something serious like the death penalty should be unanimous.

Also with chomos its arguable that this law motivates them to kill the child.

people like Ted Bundy though clearly deserved the death penalty
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hockeybub89
04/17/23 6:57:50 PM
#158:


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Not according to the party that goes on and on about how shitty and incompetent government is. They think killing people is one of the few things the government should be trusted to do. I don't follow the logic.

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DrizztLink
04/17/23 6:58:27 PM
#159:


This is pretty obviously gonna be wielded as a weapon against the LGBT population in Florida, but I shouldn't get in the way of CE's chud's murderboners.

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harley2280
04/18/23 8:22:08 AM
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KillaHarkan posted...
And in the alternate scenario you're proposing a child is raped, and the rapist gets free room and board on the taxpayers' dime.
Executions cost tax payers more than life sentences.

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison

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Sufferedphoneix
04/19/23 10:52:36 AM
#162:


harley2280 posted...
Executions cost tax payers more than life sentences.

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison

I never understood that. It costs a lot per year to house a Inmate. If you wanna talk legal fees or whatever for their attempts to appeal people simply with life do that too.

That said I feel the death penalty should be used rarely. Only in cases where there is absolutely zero doubt they are guilty of a heinous crime.

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RuneterranSnap
04/20/23 9:59:35 AM
#163:


Sufferedphoneix posted...
I never understood that. It costs a lot per year to house a Inmate. If you wanna talk legal fees or whatever for their attempts to appeal people simply with life do that too.

That said I feel the death penalty should be used rarely. Only in cases where there is absolutely zero doubt they are guilty of a heinous crime.
Death Penalty cases get a significantly expanded appeals process no other kind of conviction gets, as is necessary.
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ChrisReeve
04/20/23 8:17:58 PM
#164:


RuneterranSnap posted...

Death Penalty cases get a significantly expanded appeals process no other kind of conviction gets, as is necessary.


People should get access to all the DNA testing if they're eligible for DNA testing, tbh.

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ChrisReeve
04/20/23 8:18:15 PM
#165:


eligible for *the death penalty

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whateveroh
04/20/23 8:20:35 PM
#166:


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Even when it comes to war and other military deployment?

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Smokex288
04/20/23 8:21:40 PM
#167:


Liberals won't like this
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ChrisReeve
04/21/23 12:30:02 PM
#168:


whateveroh posted...


Even when it comes to war and other military deployment?


Good question.

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PiOverlord
04/21/23 12:53:43 PM
#169:


whateveroh posted...
Even when it comes to war and other military deployment?
I would argue no, but the philosophical debate of war is a much larger and complex topic at hand.

At the very least, I don't think it's too much to ask a country to not kill its own citizens. Why are we giving our country that much power?

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Kakapo
04/21/23 12:54:54 PM
#170:


RuneterranSnap posted...
There's never a good excuse for the death penalty.
Very much this. Particularly considering

DrizztLink posted...
This is pretty obviously gonna be wielded as a weapon against the LGBT population in Florida


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ChrisReeve
04/21/23 2:07:41 PM
#171:


PiOverlord posted...
I don't think it's too much to ask a country to not kill its own citizens.


What about Waco and Ruby Ridge?

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Letron_James
04/21/23 2:26:45 PM
#173:


ChrisReeve posted...
What about Waco and Ruby Ridge?

They both deserved it.


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hockeybub89
04/21/23 2:32:05 PM
#174:


ChrisReeve posted...
What about Waco and Ruby Ridge?
Did they shoot at the government? No one is saying that state employees shouldn't be able to exercise self-defense or protection of others in a deadly situation.

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wanderingshade
04/21/23 2:57:57 PM
#175:


The Waco nuts were basically exchanging fire with automatic weapons they had stockpiled. They were a doomsday cult fashioning automatic weapons.

The feds did kind of blast the Weavers away.

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voldothegr8
04/21/23 3:00:12 PM
#176:


KillaHarkan posted...


If passed, the law will empower courts to sentence pedophiles to death if theyre convicted of sexual battery on a child under 12 years old.
\_()_/

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ChrisReeve
04/21/23 9:39:39 PM
#177:


voldothegr8 posted...

\_()_/

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ChrisReeve
04/22/23 5:30:00 PM
#178:


https://youtu.be/qlM_IFCNgKw

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lilORANG
04/22/23 5:44:30 PM
#179:


I oppose the death penalty but I also dgaf about child rapists

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Zikten
04/22/23 7:15:27 PM
#180:


lilORANG posted...
I oppose the death penalty but I also dgaf about child rapists
Then let's just let them rot in prison. Its the most sensible solution.
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Unsuprised_Pika
04/22/23 7:22:56 PM
#181:


voldothegr8 posted...
\_()_/

"Oh well part of it targets bad people so guess its okay for our rights to be eroded"

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Zikten
04/22/23 7:28:35 PM
#182:


Unsuprised_Pika posted...
"Oh well part of it targets bad people so guess its okay for our rights to be eroded"
And that is pretty much h how rights get eroded. The government frames it so its to stop bad things, and people say "well if it's for bad things, I guess that's ok". And then the change gets approved and everyone slowly has their rights chipped away

They chose specifically to make this about pedophiles so that nobody would want to stand up against it
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darkmaian23
04/22/23 8:11:20 PM
#183:


The amount of people defending this--especially in light of the Florida's continuing attacks on the LGBT+ community--is astonishing. I hope it's actually one or two people with lots of alts.

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hockeybub89
04/22/23 8:20:43 PM
#184:


darkmaian23 posted...
The amount of people defending this--especially in light of the Florida's continuing attacks on the LGBT+ community--is astonishing. I hope it's actually one or two people with lots of alts.
A lot of people just either have their heads in the sand or are trying to be very PC about how much they want LGBTQ people to die.

DeSantis and the rest of the Florida GOP have been framing LGBTQ people and anyone who "aids and abets" them as pedophiles for years now and are passing laws to that affect.

If they believe it's pedophilia to be involved in LGBTQ stuff and they believe pedophiles should be executed, then...

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Bishop9800
04/22/23 8:22:50 PM
#185:


darkmaian23 posted...
I hope it's actually one or two people with lots of alts.


That would be SMAL..

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legendarylemur
04/22/23 8:40:10 PM
#186:


Not easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the modern sciences do make it possible. So I think the past arguments of like false convictions resulting in executing an innocent person applies much less here.

So yeah I have very little sympathies. Like wtf is jailing them going to accomplish? They've abandoned their humanity

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Zikten
04/22/23 8:47:46 PM
#187:


legendarylemur posted...
Not easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the modern sciences do make it possible. So I think the past arguments of like false convictions resulting in executing an innocent person applies much less here.

So yeah I have very little sympathies. Like wtf is jailing them going to accomplish? They've abandoned their humanity
We can never be 100% sure. Stuff can be faked people can be framed. Cops, lawyers and judges can be corrupt. And we are literally in the time period of the rise of technology that let's people fake images and voices. Someone could easily produce a fake video of a person killing someone. Or use a fake phone call of someone admitting to a crime
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COVxy
04/22/23 8:48:48 PM
#188:


legendarylemur posted...
Not easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the modern sciences do make it possible. So I think the past arguments of like false convictions resulting in executing an innocent person applies much less here.

You have an extremely disconnected view of the justice system.

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legendarylemur
04/22/23 9:23:10 PM
#189:


Zikten posted...
We can never be 100% sure. Stuff can be faked people can be framed. Cops, lawyers and judges can be corrupt. And we are literally in the time period of the rise of technology that let's people fake images and voices. Someone could easily produce a fake video of a person killing someone. Or use a fake phone call of someone admitting to a crime
I'm talking DNA testing. If there was sexual violence, which is what the law is about, generally it's possible to recover the DNA of the culprit from the body. But it also depends on how quickly they were able to investigate, or they risk any other potential contamination or destruction of the DNA.

That's pretty much the best way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. None of that AI shit even matters. Falsifying scientific investigation would require a lot of fucking people to be in on executing some guy.

COVxy posted...
You have an extremely disconnected view of the justice system.
Nice one sentence claim. Surely this must mean that you have a good grasp on how convictions work.

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ThyCorndog
04/22/23 9:27:21 PM
#190:


I am against the death penalty but there aren't many better candidates for it, so it's very difficult to muster any comment against this

Of course it's Florida though, and DeSantis will probably extend this to do terrible things to the LGBT community or anyone the state will decide deserves it

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COVxy
04/22/23 9:28:18 PM
#191:


legendarylemur posted...
Nice one sentence claim. Surely this must mean that you have a good grasp on how convictions work.

Most cases are closed on the basis of circumstantial evidence and/or eyewitness testimony alone.

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legendarylemur
04/22/23 9:38:24 PM
#193:


COVxy posted...
Most cases are closed on the basis of circumstantial evidence and/or eyewitness testimony alone.
That's interesting. You got actual data on it with correct nuances? Not that it matters. You're probably right. Obviously children generally do not have the knowledge needed to report crime or preserve evidence around their body. But legislations like this aren't about improving conviction rate or anything like that, so your point is pointless

They specify sexual battery because it's a type of crime to leave DNA evidence the most, and thereby it's the easiest to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

This type of law is about the threat of execution more than the actual execution itself most of the time. What if this trial ends up being proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in the one most possible for such a case to actually go to trial and be proven scientifically against the culprit? If flimsy, it puts the fear of the death penalty on pedophiles, maybe it prevents a case or two. Certainly better than the alternative, which is doing nothing

In the first place, even if the death penalty is legal in some context, you probably still need to go through a billion red tapes and retrials. But because of scientific evidence that's generally pretty difficult to overturn unless they're able to prove some foul play or contamination in the investigation. If there's even any doubt about accidentally killing an innocent guy, they'll have problems killing somebody who's undeniably guilty anyways. So this type of law truly is just for the fear of it.

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Zikten
04/22/23 10:07:52 PM
#195:


At the end of the day, no matter how you try to justify it, the death penalty is barbaric and immoral. So I really don't care what you think can achieve 100% certainty they are guilty. I still will always oppose the death penalty in 100% of situations. A nation that executes criminals, is an immoral nation
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Sufferedphoneix
04/22/23 10:10:31 PM
#196:


ThyCorndog posted...
I am against the death penalty but there aren't many better candidates for it, so it's very difficult to muster any comment against this

Of course it's Florida though, and DeSantis will probably extend this to do terrible things to the LGBT community or anyone the state will decide deserves it

Pedophiles are usually the most model inmates. While I have no love lost for them they are useful. They will do just about anything you tell them to do.

I'm pretty sure they do it out of fear though.

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ChrisReeve
04/23/23 12:44:07 AM
#197:


legendarylemur posted...
Like wtf is jailing them going to accomplish?


Unless we throw them in gen pop.

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hockeybub89
04/23/23 4:05:40 AM
#198:


legendarylemur posted...
Not easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the modern sciences do make it possible. So I think the past arguments of like false convictions resulting in executing an innocent person applies much less here.

So yeah I have very little sympathies. Like wtf is jailing them going to accomplish? They've abandoned their humanity
Innocent people get executed regularly and the definition of "pedophile" is expanding across many of the states that still execute.

Also, what does execution accomplish? They're already locked up in some high-security federal prison far removed from society! Are we also going to remove the appeals process on case-by-case basis when we're double dog sure the person is guilty? Because otherwise, prison is always cheaper.

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Shadow_Don
04/23/23 4:13:30 AM
#199:


No sympathy for pedophiles but this coupled together with the 8-4 jury change and the rhetoric surrounding lgbt people is just a massively dangerous combination.

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Gremlynn
04/23/23 4:17:43 AM
#200:


Florida- passes law allowing the death penalty for sexually assaulting children
CE- makes sense!

Florida- allows majority vote instead of unanimous vote for death penalty
CE- not a big deal, it only applies to child molesters anyways!

Florida- passes laws to define exposing kids to drag performances as sexual assault
CE- woops!

Florida- defines drag in a way that it can include simply existing as a transgender person.
CE- at least we maybe killed an actual child molester or two while allowing a genocide.

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ChrisReeve
04/23/23 1:45:34 PM
#203:


Oh, but the psychopaths who rape kids won't kill the kids if there's no death penalty? Fuck off.

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