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EDumey
05/10/23 10:12:46 PM
#101:


Obellisk posted...
I feel like by killing obvious scum Chris we essentially killed peaf because we gave them the strongman kill back. so who was pushing Chris over the other possible scum lynch yeaterday? (I say this realizing that I decided Chris made the most sense as scum is scum and should be killed)

EDumey posted...
D4 Final Votals
[6] Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Wallz), Sultan, Ctes, (Wallz), Corrik
[4] Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), Wallz
[0] MZero - (Sultan), (Dumey), (Marth)
[0] SBell - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Wallz)

The people on Ctes were Chris, who had to be, and then the three town-core in Peaf/Wallz/Me. That means that scum chose to lynch Chris over Ctes, likely because he was the spent strongman and wanted to preserve Ctes' power.

EDumey posted...
Sultan, yesterday you stayed out of the Chris/Ctes conversation until the very end, not wanting to humor Ctes as an option, and ultimately settling on Chris because you thought he was capable of talking his way out of a future lynch? Does that sound like a fair assessment of your D4?

I could see that as scum deciding to sack the Strongman at the end and you coming in to vote him for that reason despite showing no interest in moving off of MZero earlier in the day.

Not quoting to be sarcastic, just didn't want to retype stuff lol. Other than that, the people really "pushing" Chris were MZero, Wallz, some doubt by Peaf, and you SBell. IIRC at least. A lot of the vocal suspicion on Chris came from town players, which is why I think the Sultan vote looking opportunistic stands out to me.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:12:48 PM
#102:


Corrik7 posted...
Zero point to lynching Sultan. Lynch ctes and Sultan point your gun at Marth. Ezpz
May I ask why you feel this way?

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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:12:53 PM
#103:


Corrik7 posted...
#Vote: Lea

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:14:07 PM
#104:


1) UltimaterializerX - almost certainly town because lopen wouldn't leave open the 2 for 1 death knell if ulti was found out to be scum or flipped scum early.

2) MZero - has to be town
3) Corrik7 - has to be town
4) wallmasterz - has to be town
5) ctesjbuvf - scum
6) Obellisk - last scum is godfather, he claimed miller. Has to be town.
7) EDumey - has to be town.
8) TheSultanOfSlam - has to be town.
9) UnderUrMattress - unfortunate scan into godfather marth.

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EDumey
05/10/23 10:14:26 PM
#105:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Yeah not sure why we are killing me to kill ctes but if that's really what yall wanna do I'm all for it lol

Corrik7 posted...
Zero point to lynching Sultan. Lynch ctes and Sultan point your gun at Marth. Ezpz

If it's not Ctes, it's Corrik, by the way.

See my post #83 for the math, thanks!

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:14:28 PM
#106:


Yeah, Lea was scum, wallz. What's your point?

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:15:28 PM
#107:


UnderUrMattress posted...
May I ask why you feel this way?
Sultan is town. I don't lynch town.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/10/23 10:16:20 PM
#108:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Who would you blast it not ctes

Just curious where your head is at

Good question the last 3 ?? Are corrik ulti Ctes.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:17:07 PM
#109:


Corrik7 posted...
Sultan is town. I don't lynch town.
I don't disagree, even though his progression was questionable, but it ain't me either so...

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:17:15 PM
#110:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Good question the last 3 ?? Are corrik ulti Ctes.
*sigh*

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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:18:18 PM
#111:


Never mind sultan youre hard town confirmed because Corrik says so

Scum chose not to kill you and mzero overnight even with Chris/mzero resolved, but youre town

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/10/23 10:19:27 PM
#112:


I guess that list backwards is where I'm at tbh.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:19:54 PM
#113:


wallmasterz posted...
Never mind sultan youre hard town confirmed because Corrik says so

Scum chose not to kill you and mzero overnight even with Chris/mzero resolved, but youre town
A kill was literally blocked, so you don't know who they tried to kill. Sultan can't be scum if you read Lopens interactions with Sultan. Lopen didn't realize how his claim couldn't exist with Sultans because he was somewhat unaware of what Sultan actually claimed. Sultan literally 100% cannot be scum.


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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:22:07 PM
#114:


Corrik7 posted...
A kill was literally blocked, so you don't know who they tried to kill. Sultan can't be scum if you read Lopens interactions with Sultan. Lopen didn't realize how his claim couldn't exist with Sultans because he was somewhat unaware of what Sultan actually claimed. Sultan literally 100% cannot be scum.

Im talking about last night, Corrik. Scum killed peaf.

lmao saying someone cant be scum because of how scum interacted with them

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:22:31 PM
#115:


Shrug

I actually am leaning towards just lynching ctes first again.

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EDumey
05/10/23 10:22:57 PM
#116:


wallmasterz posted...
Never mind sultan youre hard town confirmed because Corrik says so

Scum chose not to kill you and mzero overnight even with Chris/mzero resolved, but youre town

I forgot I did think about this with Peaf a little last night.

There's a chance that they didn't want to shoot Sultan because it isolates Chris on the Red Watch. They kill Sultan and MZero in that situation after we lynch Lopen. Then maybe we make the same mistake and lynch Death instead of revealing Chris at that time. Then Chris dies 100%. In most cases, that's still a decent trade for scum, but there is at least a motive for scum to not shoot Sultan yet if they think they can use the confusion to lynch outside of the Red Watch first, and give Chris time to trade for more.

Not saying your logic is wrong, just that there could potentially be scum motive to not do that trade immediately, especially if they think Sultan will be stubborn enough to leave his gun on MZero, which he publicly seemed to be until we lynched Chris.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:23:16 PM
#117:


wallmasterz posted...
Im talking about last night, Corrik. Scum killed peaf.

lmao saying someone cant be scum because of how scum interacted with them
Peaf was protection and blocking their kills. No shit.

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Obellisk
05/10/23 10:25:05 PM
#118:


if corrik is correct (and he often can be) then I'd rather not lynch town to get scum killed.


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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:25:08 PM
#119:


Sultan is your gun still on mzero

if the answer is no you dont have to specify where its pointed

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EDumey
05/10/23 10:29:08 PM
#120:


Obellisk posted...
if corrik is correct (and he often can be) then I'd rather not lynch town to get scum killed.
As odd as it may sound coming from me, then we'd better be damn confident that Ctes is scum. Because we lose our chance to lynch Sultan if Ctes is town.

Ultimately, like I said in my second post today, I'm okay with just lynching Ctes. But I do want to make sure people understand the numbers we're playing with regarding Sultan if there's any credible suspicion on him, which I think there is at least some.

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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:29:51 PM
#121:


Obellisk posted...
if corrik is correct (and he often can be) then I'd rather not lynch town to get scum killed.

Wrong way to think about it, we are skipping ahead to lynch the 2nd priority so if sultan is town, their power goes to good use, vs having a lower probability of killing scum

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/10/23 10:32:42 PM
#122:


wallmasterz posted...
Sultan is your gun still on mzero

if the answer is no you dont have to specify where its pointed
No took it off when I voted for Chris.

Like I said earlier I was changing my mind on alot yesterday

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Obellisk
05/10/23 10:33:33 PM
#123:


EDumey posted...
As odd as it may sound coming from me, then we'd better be damn confident that Ctes is scum. Because we lose our chance to lynch Sultan if Ctes is town.

I reran the numbers, I see what you are saying. if we don't lynch Sultan and take advantage of his shot today and we don't successfully lynch scum then we boned.

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wallmasterz
05/10/23 10:33:49 PM
#124:


If everyone is so worried about sultan flipping town (Im not), we could always ask sultan not to shoot anyone.

Someone compile the post(s) where sultan makes a case for himself being town or presents any other logic beyond ok guys you can shoot me and Ill review them. I am being facetious you dont have to waste time looking for non-existent posts

ctes put up more fight than this

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EDumey
05/10/23 10:33:54 PM
#125:


also i feel like corrik assuming there has to be a godfather because we have cop, and therefore sbell is confirmed town, is really silly. he could be right for all i know, but talking about "meta at your own risk", that would be a super lazy way to throw the game.

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Obellisk
05/10/23 10:36:39 PM
#126:


EDumey posted...
also i feel like corrik assuming there has to be a godfather because we have cop, and therefore sbell is confirmed town, is really silly. he could be right for all i know, but talking about "meta at your own risk", that would be a super lazy way to throw the game.

I don't disagree with this. we don't know a godfather is in this game. just like there isn't necessarily a ninja just because there is a watcher.

the fact there is a cop and a miller could be where the role fuckery ends

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:43:08 PM
#127:


EDumey posted...
also i feel like corrik assuming there has to be a godfather because we have cop, and therefore sbell is confirmed town, is really silly. he could be right for all i know, but talking about "meta at your own risk", that would be a super lazy way to throw the game.
Please stop playing mafia if you really think this, bud. Lol.

I literally had this game figured out day 2 minus the misinformation from town power.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:47:38 PM
#128:


##vote: ctes

I'm noteven sure if Sultan is the move after this. I think we should resolve him at Mylo/lylo if we even get to that point

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:49:00 PM
#129:


If he's mafia then owned lol
If he's town then he has a smaller pool

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/10/23 10:49:48 PM
#130:


wallmasterz posted...
If everyone is so worried about sultan flipping town (Im not), we could always ask sultan not to shoot anyone.

Someone compile the post(s) where sultan makes a case for himself being town or presents any other logic beyond ok guys you can shoot me and Ill review them. I am being facetious you dont have to waste time looking for non-existent posts

ctes put up more fight than this


I more or less know you're over thinking and if the best way to kill Ctes and win the game is killing me to do it fine let's do it. I see no reason to push my agenda when I got a gun in my hand and get a say so on who I'd kill anyways.

I'm not scum soo you can trust me or not trust me that's okay but st the end of the day if I die I got a the decision on who I shoot I'm making it well know who I'd shoot to be helpful I don't have to do that either

##Vote:Ctes.

orwe could just kill ctes now like normal people

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:50:49 PM
#131:


Yeah I get a bad feeling about voting you out today

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:53:49 PM
#132:


Also Chris rolled over and ctes seems to have rolled over as well.

If Sultan was the partner, would they really just give up with how suspected he was? Chris is a very good player and would fight harder if the game was that easy for town. Like the dude didn't exec try to get MZero lynched.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:57:46 PM
#133:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Also Chris rolled over and ctes seems to have rolled over as well.

If Sultan was the partner, would they really just give up with how suspected he was? Chris is a very good player and would fight harder if the game was that easy for town. Like the dude didn't exec try to get MZero lynched.
I had Chris dead. He tried some wifom shit yesterday tho.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:58:06 PM
#134:


For now I just wanna flip ctes and see what happens at night

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 10:59:14 PM
#135:


Corrik7 posted...
I had Chris dead. He tried some wifom shit yesterday tho.
Me and Sultan were tunneling MZero and that was literally an out for him that he didn't take.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 10:59:18 PM
#136:


UnderUrMattress posted...
For now I just wanna flip ctes and see what happens at night
You better have a good argument for why ulti is scum tomorrow.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 11:00:57 PM
#137:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Me and Sultan were tunneling MZero and that was literally an out for him that he didn't take.
It was never gonna happen. Chris played wifom yesterday a lot. He was hoping we would go ctes first to get on scum then use his claim to wittle through the people who would never ever lynch him if he was serving ketchup hotdogs to people in all white.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 11:05:01 PM
#138:


Corrik7 posted...
It was never gonna happen. Chris played wifom yesterday a lot. He was hoping we would go ctes first to get on scum then use his claim to wittle through the people who would never ever lynch him if he was serving ketchup hotdogs to people in all white.
If ctes is what I think he is, then Chris probably rolled over for him.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 11:08:00 PM
#139:


UnderUrMattress posted...
If ctes is what I think he is, then Chris probably rolled over for him.
He is ninja. But Chris didn't roll over for him. Chris thought he could still win this game.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 11:09:26 PM
#140:


Hmm

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 11:11:44 PM
#141:


If you think there's ninja and gf then how did peaf die?

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MZero
05/10/23 11:11:49 PM
#142:


EDumey posted...
I forgot I did think about this with Peaf a little last night.

There's a chance that they didn't want to shoot Sultan because it isolates Chris on the Red Watch. They kill Sultan and MZero in that situation after we lynch Lopen. Then maybe we make the same mistake and lynch Death instead of revealing Chris at that time. Then Chris dies 100%. In most cases, that's still a decent trade for scum, but there is at least a motive for scum to not shoot Sultan yet if they think they can use the confusion to lynch outside of the Red Watch first, and give Chris time to trade for more.

Not saying your logic is wrong, just that there could potentially be scum motive to not do that trade immediately, especially if they think Sultan will be stubborn enough to leave his gun on MZero, which he publicly seemed to be until we lynched Chris.

This doesn't change the fact that Sultan had his gun pointed at me day 1 and we had a plan in place to have Red hammer, then Lopen randomly jumped off to go after death and Chris replaced in and veto'd the Sultan lynch while he was still the top candidate. This is before any watch happened. Lopen jumping off is one thing, but Chris coming in and saying no to two dead town doesn't make a lot of sense

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Corrik7
05/10/23 11:15:32 PM
#143:


UnderUrMattress posted...
If you think there's ninja and gf then how did peaf die?
There was a redacted portion. I assume godfather is consuming powers as a backup in some form.

Strongman, untargetable roleblocker, ninja, backup godfather.

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EDumey
05/10/23 11:16:43 PM
#144:


That's true. I didn't consider that dynamic as much. I might have to go reread that part of D1 and see if it actually looked like that lynch could pick up any steam by the time Lopen jumped off.

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UnderUrMattress
05/10/23 11:21:34 PM
#145:


Corrik7 posted...
There was a redacted portion. I assume godfather is consuming powers as a backup in some form.

Strongman, untargetable roleblocker, ninja, backup godfather.
Seems hella imba but what do I know?

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EDumey
05/10/23 11:22:07 PM
#146:


Unofficial Votals.

[3] Sultan - Ulti, Wallz, MZero
[3] Ctes - Corrik, Marth, Sultan

Takes 5 to lynch, both at -2. Just in case anyone not paying attention.

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Corrik7
05/10/23 11:27:01 PM
#147:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Seems hella imba but what do I know?
It likely can only absorb certain powers. How many scum flips were redacted?

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Corrik7
05/10/23 11:27:13 PM
#148:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Seems hella imba but what do I know?
And you do know well because it is you.

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EDumey
05/10/23 11:28:57 PM
#149:


SBell, what are you thinking at the moment? Ctes hasn't checking in yet, so I'm not eager to hammer, but he really has no choice but to try and start an alternate lynch of lynch Sultan and pray that he's scum.

I've already said I'm okay with both, but am leaning toward Plan Test Sultan, so you could throw my name up in that group as well.

So you're the last one not represented. Does looking at how the battle lines are drawn give you any insight?

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MZero
05/10/23 11:40:24 PM
#150:


EDumey posted...
That's true. I didn't consider that dynamic as much. I might have to go reread that part of D1 and see if it actually looked like that lynch could pick up any steam by the time Lopen jumped off.

Sultan was at -3 with SBell and Peaf saying they would vote to set up red to hammer. Lopen showed up right after Marth voted to put Sultan at -3 and starting setting up to move to death

Lopen posted...
Sultan
Mattress
Death
Dumey

I'm thinking probably this at the moment. Mzero's attitude regarding his lynch going through feels townish to me. Just the right amount of enthusiasm.

one of these four names is almost definitely scum, and Sultan is far and away the most likely

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