Current Events > Do you support abortion rights?

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Of course I do. Even though I'm in a state that staunchly defends my reproductive rights, doesn't mean I can just ignore pro birthers push to roll us right back to the dark ages. I also know that birth control and condoms aren't 100 % efficient.

I'm not some willful ignoramus who can't even be bothered to look up what a dangerous pregnancy or miscarriage is and believe that women should just bleed out and die.

I don't believe in forcing pregnancy on women who are done having kids, who can't have them in the first place due to medical issues, or who don't want them at all.

I'm not some hateful sexist ghoul who thinks that women and children should be forced to bare their rapist's babies and want to track them down and put them in prison.

If you don't believe in abortion that's fine, don't get one. You don't get to make that decision for others when you dont know and dont care about their individual circumstances, and you definitely don't get to make that decision for them if you're a man.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Always.
You are the landlord of your own body, and thus can evict an unwanted tenant inside of it for any reason.

This is genius. I love it.

Yeah, it's silly not to. You end up with all this dumb bullshit going on in the states that have banned it. I do think there is some very bad messaging from people who are a little too pro-abortion (that one clip from a few years ago where the lady is going around going like "woo-hoo abortion!"). It should still be seen as the absolute last resort, and we should be getting all this dumb religious puritanical abstinence nonsense out of schools so safe sex practices can be properly taught.

I support not banning it, I don't support it being used as birth control. Pretty much the opinion most people have.

Kiryun posted...

I support not banning it, I don't support it being used as birth control. Pretty much the opinion most people have.

Don't worry birth control is next on the list for red states.

Hell yeah. Bodily autonomy is the bees knees

name_unknown posted...

Don't worry birth control is next on the list for red states.

Probably. Republicans have long since been the party of evangelical christians that claim women shouldn't have sex outside of marriage or some nonsense.

What the fuck are those poll options?

I support abortion when pregnancy is caused by rape(banning this violates a persons right to not reproduce), there are incurable fetal defects, it is required to protect the health of the mother and elective abortions before viability.

I support advancing medical technology to eventually allow for the safe removal of the fetus/embryo at any stage of pregnancy while still allowing for it to develop healthily. At which point, elective abortions would be rendered obsolete.

You'd have to be evil, stupid, or both not to.

So yes, ignoring the raging disingenuous nature of this topic.

uwnim posted...

What the fuck are those poll options?

I support abortion when pregnancy is caused by rape(banning this violates a persons right to not reproduce), there are incurable fetal defects, it is required to protect the health of the mother and elective abortions before viability.

I support advancing medical technology to eventually allow for the safe removal of the fetus/embryo at any stage of pregnancy while still allowing for it to develop healthily. At which point, elective abortions would be rendered obsolete.

These are the only 2 choices available there is no nuance when it comes to women's fundamental human rights.

TonyKojima posted...

These are the only 2 choices available there is no nuance when it comes to women's fundamental human rights.

I can refuse to play along with a false dichotomy.

Kiryun posted...

I support not banning it, I don't support it being used as birth control. Pretty much the opinion most people have.

People need to stop injecting this into their responses as if it's something that people do. You have been brainwashed to think people just use abortion willy nilly as birth control. Abortion can be a very traumatic event and no one is just leaning into abortion as a means of birth control.

uwnim posted...

I can refuse to play along with a false dichotomy.

Thats ok, you people don't have a say anyway.

AlCalavicci posted...

People need to stop injecting this into their responses as if it's something that people do. You have been brainwashed to think people just use abortion willy nilly as birth control. Abortion can be a very traumatic event and no one is just leaning into abortion as a means of birth control.

And for the sake of argument say it does happen so what? Why should I honestly care?

AlCalavicci posted...

People need to stop injecting this into their responses as if it's something that people do. You have been brainwashed to think people just use abortion willy nilly as birth control. Abortion can be a very traumatic event and no one is just leaning into abortion as a means of birth control.

Seriously, it's like saying lots of people abuse gastric bypass to get around being fat. It has no basis in reality

uwnim posted...

What the fuck are those poll options?

I support abortion when pregnancy is caused by rape(banning this violates a persons right to not reproduce), there are incurable fetal defects, it is required to protect the health of the mother and elective abortions before viability.

I support advancing medical technology to eventually allow for the safe removal of the fetus/embryo at any stage of pregnancy while still allowing for it to develop healthily. At which point, elective abortions would be rendered obsolete.

So, you do not think a woman should have the right to her bodily autonomy, even early on in pregnancy?

Do you believe a dead body should be able to have organs harvested even if while living, the person did not consent?

uwnim posted...

I can refuse to play along with a false dichotomy.

No, you can shut the fuck up. Really, there isn't even a dichotomy. You support abortion rights or you're wrong. There's no middle ground. There's some words for people who think the government should control bodily autonomy.

The need for access to abortion is a matter of bodily autonomy inherent in the 13th amendment outlawing slavery.

Women should start using the 13th to protect their right to abortion.

cheat4ever posted...

The need for access to abortion is a matter of bodily autonomy inherent in the 13th amendment outlawing slavery.

Women should start using the 13th to protect their right to abortion.

Funnily enough a judge suggested this could be a valid argument.

Rape exceptions don't even make sense among the anti-abortion crowd.

So killing a baby is sometimes okay? How does that work?

At any time for any reason. If it's not your body, it's none of your fucking business.

AlCalavicci posted...

So, you do not think a woman should have the right to her bodily autonomy, even early on in pregnancy?

Do you believe a dead body should be able to have organs harvested even if while living, the person did not consent?

Why are you even asking if I support bodily autonomy? That end goal I had there is maximum bodily autonomy.

Once someone is dead they no longer own anything, so that should be left up to whatever relative or friend or whatnot who is granted responsibility for the corpse. If theres no such person and the state is responsible, then the organs should not be utilized.

On demand and without apology. Always.

hockeybub89 posted...

Rape exceptions don't even make sense among the anti-abortion crowd.

So killing a baby is sometimes okay? How does that work?

Enslaving a person is never OK. Nobody has a right to use another person's organs, even if it was a matter of survival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McFall_v._Shimp

McFall v. Shimp, 10 Pa. D. & C. 3d 90 (July 26, 1978) was an Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, court case. The court ruled that it is unacceptable to force another person to donate body parts, even in a situation of medical necessity.

hockeybub89 posted...

No, you can shut the fuck up. Really, there isn't even a dichotomy. You support abortion rights or you're wrong. There's no middle ground. There's some words for people who think the government should control bodily autonomy.

No you shut the fuck up. Learn how to actually fucking engage with people. I gave my stance, which doesnt fall under either option the tc gave and you can either engage with that or not. But you cant make me play by some bullshit rules.

uwnim posted...

Why are you even asking if I support bodily autonomy? That end goal I had there is maximum bodily autonomy.

Once someone is dead they no longer own anything, so that should be left up to whatever relative or friend or whatnot who is granted responsibility for the corpse. If theres no such person and the state is responsible, then the organs should not be utilized.

Your post indicates that you only advocate for a womans right to bodily autonomy in exceptional cases. Meaning, if a woman gets pregnant not by rape and is early on in pregnancy before any birth defects are known, you do not support her right to abortion/bodily autonomy.

Correct me if Im wrong on that.

Do you believe people (women in this case) should have a right to bodily autonomy at all times? Or just in some circumstances ?

AlCalavicci posted...

Your post indicates that you only advocate for a womans right to bodily autonomy in exceptional cases. Meaning, if a woman gets pregnant not by rape and is early on in pregnancy before any birth defects are known, you do not support her right to abortion/bodily autonomy.

Correct me if Im wrong on that.

Do you believe people (women in this case) should have a right to bodily autonomy at all times? Or just in some circumstances ?

I said abortions before viability (this is somewhere around like 20-22 week iirc) are totally fine for any reason. Thats the standard that was used before roe v wade was overturned.

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Well yeah, I never said I wasnt pro choice.

TCs poll was just either no abortions ever or abortions anytime anywhere. Which is just a ridiculous thing to force it into.

A TonyKojima topic.

Figures.

uwnim posted...

Well yeah, I never said I wasnt pro choice.

TCs poll was just either no abortions ever or abortions anytime anywhere. Which is just a ridiculous thing to force it into.

No one is having abortions in the last trimester unless it's medically necessary.

mystic_belmont posted...

No one is having abortions in the last trimester unless it's medically necessary.

People can get into some pretty messed up mental states, so Id be surprised if no one ever wanted one that late, but yeah. In general people arent going to be getting one that late unless they have to.

I support abortion rights. I support the right to family planning. The entirety of the "pro-life" movement is pseudoscience and bad faith. Nothing "pro-life" about them and the proof is in their actions.

How do people feel about artificial wombs? Say theoretically we get to a point where they are widely available, what if the fetus is placed in an artificial womb to be grown, born, and adopted?

If the science ever gets there, this sounds like a good compromise between the pro choice and pro life crowd.

Obviously yes.

Artificial wombs might come down to whether people have a credible claim to their DNA contribution. I wouldn't think so but you'd be forcing procedure on a woman to remove the fetus. If people see abortion just as a way to absolve themselves of a child, it could get ugly.

scorpion41 posted...

Freedom to kill an unborn child for no reason other than whoops? Yes I do.

Adjudicated.

Do you have any idea how long that would take?

It is not right for rape victims to carry a baby that they never wanted. Letting the baby live is a fate worse than death.

Yes, though I do understand it from the position that if they view the fetus as a life, they would view abortion as murder. The issue I have is those who are actually pro-life and bad faith actors that are only pro-life because they want to punish the woman.

scorpion41 posted...

To justify killing an unborn child? Yes.

It's not an unborn child. It's a fetus. There is a difference. Its only considered a child when it is born. That's why they are called newborns.

I mean there is a point where a near-term fetus should not be aborted if the mother and fetus are completely healthy and no crimes were involved in the creation of that fetus.

To go that far and then say "nah" would be unethical. Should it be allowed? I guess, but it doesn't make it right.

The abortion laws are also why more women are becoming lesbians.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I believe the abortion laws are also why more women are becoming lesbians.

Um, that's certainly a take. I'm very pro choice, but... Well there's a lot to unpack there

TonyKojima posted...

What's an unborn child?

Here we geaux

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I believe the abortion laws are also why more women are becoming lesbians.

Sweet Jesus.

Choco posted...

i thought this was a joke but maybe ce genuinely believes these are the only 2 options

Its Tony, hes a well known 261 troll pretending to be a leftist (or a liberal centrist, it varies because he isnt a serious person) who just likes causing problems and making leftists look bad. which is why his poll is framed like it is.

Zonbei posted...

Its Tony, hes a well known 261 troll pretending to be a leftist (or a liberal centrist, it varies because he isnt a serious person) who just likes causing problems and making leftists look bad. which is why his poll is framed like it is.

Supporting the right to abortion makes liberals look bad?

TonyKojima posted...

Supporting the right to abortion makes liberals look bad?

Shut the fuck up Tony. You know exactly what youre doing.

Being an absolutist who takes the most extreme position is not a good look.