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BlackOmnimon
05/17/23 3:32:47 PM
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Do you want Zelda to go back to the old-style?


https://www.thegamer.com/the-legend-of-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-new-format-going-forward-sequel/

Speaking with Game Informer, series producer Eiji Aonuma confirms that Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom's style will be the blueprint for future Zelda games. In explaining this, he compared it to the effect that Ocarina of Time had on the series in 1998.

Do you agree with this decision? Discuss.


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Questionmarktarius
05/17/23 3:33:30 PM
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Remake LOZ86 in the BOTW engine. It'll be great.
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TMOG
05/17/23 3:33:41 PM
#3:


Damn.

Guess I'm done buying Zelda games. :(
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PowerOats
05/17/23 3:34:26 PM
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So 5-6 years per Zelda now?
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Irony
05/17/23 3:35:07 PM
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TMOG posted...
Damn.

Guess I'm done buying Zelda games. :(


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PowerOats
05/17/23 3:35:14 PM
#6:


Also we are definitely getting OoT Remake if that's the case
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Wandering__Hero
05/17/23 3:35:37 PM
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No. CDI Zelda is the one true Zelda

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Powdered_Toast
05/17/23 3:35:51 PM
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Well that sucks big time, but it's not like they were being very successful with the classic style.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/17/23 3:35:53 PM
#9:


not ALL future Zelda games. just the near future, I think.

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TheDurinator
05/17/23 3:35:56 PM
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I like BOTW and TOTK a lot but the gameplay does get stale after a while.
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BlackOmnimon
05/17/23 3:36:02 PM
#11:


PowerOats posted...
Also we are definitely getting OoT Remake if that's the case

Why are you so sure?

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Axiom
05/17/23 3:38:40 PM
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Imagine a windwaker style open world game where you're able to build your own ship and customize it however. That would be the shit
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Dalthine
05/17/23 3:39:21 PM
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I think it'd be better to have a mix. The thing was, even in the 3D OoT style era, you had games in the previous 2D style still coming out on handhelds. For better or for worse, there's no longer a console-handheld split, so we're only getting one stream of games now. Even in the meantime between BotW and TotK, they were releasing remasters of the older 3D games, but that was a stopgap measure and they've almost run the well dry by now.

If they're only ever going to make BotW style stuff going forward, I feel that's a missed opportunity, and combining that with longer dev cycles will leave a dearth of content and hungry fans.
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FurryPhilosifer
05/17/23 3:40:54 PM
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I wouldn't expect "OoT-style" Zelda games again. However i'd hoped we'd still get 2D ones.

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rexcrk
05/17/23 3:42:21 PM
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I mean, I get it, but I dont like it.

But thats ok, Im fine replaying Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask a couple million more times anyway

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CoyoteTheGreat
05/17/23 3:43:44 PM
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I think there is room for both styles of Zelda games personally. But if they are being forced to pick by fans who hate one style of game or the other, they are going to pick the more profitable one, the BoTW style.

The thing is, there -are- old style Zelda games, they just aren't called Zelda anymore and are made by indie studios.

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Tyranthraxus
05/17/23 3:44:27 PM
#17:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Remake LOZ86 in the BOTW engine. It'll be great.
Loz86 is too small for botw style. It got a pseudo full 3D in Hyrule Warriors and it's just not that big.

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KFHEWUI
05/17/23 3:46:18 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Remake LOZ86 in the BOTW engine. It'll be great.

Honestly, I would love to see Zelda I and II remake in the style of Link's Awakening.

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Kamil
05/17/23 3:46:36 PM
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Seems like a bold claim to say all of them unless it is "near future" like literally just the next one. I don't really play Zelda anymore, but I would hope they'd still try to innovate and do some other stuff again. Just stay away from the Zelda II: Adventures of Link style (I kid somewhat).

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voldothegr8
05/17/23 3:49:01 PM
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Nintendo sold 30 million copies of BotW and TotK is already at 10 million. Their best selling Zelda game before that was TP with 9 million. Of course they're sticking with this blueprint.

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itachi15243
05/17/23 3:50:05 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
not ALL future Zelda games. just the near future, I think.

I hope/assume so.

Totk is great, but if we keep getting zelda games based on the botw map that'll get old really fucking fast.

I would love to see some games remade in botw style though. MM, OoT, SS, etc.

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asdf8562
05/17/23 3:50:49 PM
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Poll is not IP locked.

Anyway, I dont mind continuing with open world formula.

The old formula of arbitrarily blocking portions of the map, or being restricted to narrow walkways to a new zone just seems silly to me.

Long as the map is new the next game, I'm all for it.
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ellis123
05/17/23 3:51:39 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
I hope/assume so.

Totk is great, but if we keep getting zelda games based on the botw map that'll get old really fucking fast.

I would love to see some games remade in botw style though. MM, OoT, SS, etc.
They are probably more referring to the idea of the super nonlinear open world as the thing that they will iterate on, not that it's going to just be the botw map over and over.

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Irony
05/17/23 3:52:02 PM
#25:


asdf8562 posted...
Poll is not IP locked.

Anyway, I dont mind continuing with open world formula.

The old formula of arbitrarily blocking portions of the map, or being restricted to narrow walkways to a new zone just seems silly to me.

Long as the map is new the next game, I'm all for it.
I'm sure the four alt accounts that can still access this board will vote

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AndreLeGeant
05/17/23 3:55:20 PM
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The thing about Nintendo is they tend to cycle through styles over time. Mario 64 replaced 2D Mario with collect-a-thon Mario. Mario Galaxy replaced the collect-a-thon style with more linear style. NSMB brought 2D back, and then the 2D influenced 3D Land/World. Then Odyssey brought back the collect-a-thon style.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/17/23 3:55:26 PM
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I think there's a giant swath of people who bitch about BoTW who haven't played the game, think it's like ubisoft generic open world, and just restate the same 5 arguments they heard online like 10 years ago.
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Kaldrenthebold
05/17/23 3:55:44 PM
#28:


I like the older titles far more than BOTW so this bums me out but I'm not surprised they are using this moving forward.

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Ratchetrockon
05/17/23 3:56:10 PM
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I don't mind i haven't even played an older zelda game

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MagnusDJL
05/17/23 3:56:27 PM
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I hope they aren't being TOO literal with this.

BotW wasn't close to being one of my favorite Zeldas but it was still enjoyable. haven't gotten far enough in TotK to judge it (still in the tutorial area I think lol)

That said I'd hope that even if they continue doing open world games they mix it up alot and try very different things.
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masterpug53
05/17/23 3:58:51 PM
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While I normally wouldn't stoop so low as to say something this antagonistic and childish, lmao suck it haters.

The good news for the crowd who thinks the series began with OoT is that eventually the BotW formula will get just as stale as the OoT formula got, and the series will probably loop back around to the OoT formula with a modern BotW-level masterpiece of its own.

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Starks
05/17/23 4:00:00 PM
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Nobody will fault Nintendo if they return to a more linear format with proper dungeons.

If that only comes about through an Oracle remake, that's fine.

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Blue_Inigo
05/17/23 4:00:15 PM
#33:


masterpug53 posted...
While I normally wouldn't stoop so low as to say something this antagonistic and childish, lmao suck it haters.

The good news for the crowd who thinks the series began with OoT is that eventually the BotW formula will get just as stale as the OoT formula got, and the series will probably loop back around to the OoT formula with a modern BotW-level masterpiece of its own.
That's exactly what will happen. It's all a matter of time. I think it's fine for Zelda to keep changing. LA and ALttP are completely different from OoT

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bsp77
05/17/23 4:00:18 PM
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After Breath of the Wild, I would have been upset by this comment. But now after Tears of the Kingdom, I think that is great.

And Irony, have you ever had a positive comment about anything released in the past several tears? All I see from you is negativity. Just seem to be a miserable person.

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K181
05/17/23 4:00:27 PM
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Good. BotW and TotK (at least so far, for the latter) are the best 3D Zelda games. And they're added so much, if you are of the wrong opinion that BotW didn't have much to explore and find, they added a staggering amount.

Plus, they said that after BotW, too.

They absolutely need a dedicated 2D Zelda team, though. It's been over a freaking decade since the last new installment in that subseries.

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Smashingpmkns
05/17/23 4:00:55 PM
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They greatly built upon BotW in TotK, and they can go even further in the sequel. This format is good.

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Irony
05/17/23 4:01:17 PM
#37:


I post positive stuff quite a bit more than negative you guys are unfortunately just a bunch of echo chambers

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MagnusDJL
05/17/23 4:01:26 PM
#38:


masterpug53 posted...
While I normally wouldn't stoop so low as to say something this antagonistic and childish, lmao suck it haters.

The good news for the crowd who thinks the series began with OoT is that eventually the BotW formula will get just as stale as the OoT formula got, and the series will probably loop back around to the OoT formula with a modern BotW-level masterpiece of its own.

I don't think the OoT formula got stale so much as every classic 3D Zelda after majora's mask was just more flawed compared to the N64 titles.

I'd fucking kill for another classic 3D Zelda as good as the N64 titles.
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--Zero-
05/17/23 4:01:29 PM
#39:


Gotta follow the money, but Nintendo also could always step up and not have the games have 6+ year life cycles between the mainline games. They could be appeasing to all the crowds by releasing every 2-3 years a new 2D, traditional, and sandbox Zelda game. One could hope, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

The issue with this BOTW style games is people are eventually going to get burned out and the sales will eventually diminish.

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Rharyx211
05/17/23 4:02:02 PM
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BotW is one of the few Zelda games I've actually liked enough to beat, but that's still pretty sad if they're just going to stick to its formula for the foreseeable future.

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K181
05/17/23 4:02:43 PM
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--Zero- posted...
Gotta follow the money, but Nintendo also could always step up and not have the games have 6+ year life cycles between the mainline games. They could be appeasing to all the crowds by releasing every 2-3 years a new 2D, traditional, and sandbox Zelda game. One could hope, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

To be fair, it sounds like they basically lost two years due to being woefully unprepared for a work from home period due to covid.

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Starks
05/17/23 4:04:56 PM
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A decent compromise would be to allow permanent weapons.

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Kaldrenthebold
05/17/23 4:05:11 PM
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My birthday is coming up so I might hop on the TotK train cause it sounds like they fixed some of my issues with BotW but I'm still unsure. I found BotW to be extremely boring after the initial luster wore off. Even now I'm trying to do the DLC that I never played and I just end up bored and turn it off.

The game was at it's best when you had to engage with the systems. Once you get enough inventory / gear upgrade / good weapons it becomes more of a pain in the ass than anything else.

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Bloodmoon77
05/17/23 4:06:20 PM
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And zelda is now *officially* dead to me.

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Hayame_Zero
05/17/23 4:06:52 PM
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Good.

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itachi15243
05/17/23 4:08:44 PM
#47:


ellis123 posted...
They are probably more referring to the idea of the super nonlinear open world as the thing that they will iterate on, not that it's going to just be the botw map over and over.

What I mean is that most zelda games take place in Hyrule

And the map isn't gonna be drastically different through all that time in hurule. So even if there is a brand new map every time, I doubt they'd start moving regions around now that we have a definitive map.

Like they can't really just add hole new area in-between death mountain and hyrule castle and act like it makes any sense why we haven't seen it before

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asdf8562
05/17/23 4:09:24 PM
#48:


MagnusDJL posted...
I hope they aren't being TOO literal with this.

BotW wasn't close to being one of my favorite Zeldas but it was still enjoyable. haven't gotten far enough in TotK to judge it (still in the tutorial area I think lol)

That said I'd hope that even if they continue doing open world games they mix it up alot and try very different things.
To be fair I think some are taking Nintendos word way too literal.

I think they are only talking about the base formula of being in an open world, seeing a location, and being able to go there at anytime.

I absolutely do not think they are talking about
  • The zonai crafting/fusing/phasing/etc abilities as that's that's TotKs gimmick.
  • Shrines. Depending on how big the next game is. Even if the map is big, some games just have it so you discover a campsite or some shit and now you can teleport there.
  • Even paragliding and climbing. As Nintendo could possibly still keep the format of going wherever you want, but take a more restricted approach to how you can climb up shit and get back down.
  • The dungeons in TotK were an improvement over BotWs dungeons. So on that note, Nintendo can keep improving them.
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CyrusV
05/17/23 4:09:57 PM
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I hope they dont fall into the Assassin's Creed trap.

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